Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two.
Ingram also took less shots in both of those seasons while playing on better teams. My point though isn't really to compare those two, it's in relation to the response above where he responded to someone talking about young players in both cases breaking out in their fourth year (which Ingram and Lonzo have yet to reach) and then receiving a response about Ingram will never be the scorer that Russell is.
Truth of the matter is Ingram has more physical tools that Russell does. Ingram is the better athlete and he has superior length. Ingram is not the scorer that Russell is right now, but you might project him as having the higher upside as a scorer down the road. I do think Russell has more of a scorer's mentality though personally.
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And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Russell has had multiple knee injuries in his career. But he's also been hot and cold. I'm not tearing him down, I'm a fan of the guy. I didn't like seeing him traded.
The 20 point stretch you are talking about was over 12 games to start last season. The numbers were:
Russell's numbers in that 12 game stretch: 20.9 points (46.3% fg, 30% 3p, 68.3% ft), 4.6 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 0.2 blocks, 1 steal, 4 turnovers in 27.7 minutes
A very promising stretch, which he has only surpassed with this most recent month. Prior to that his best stretch was 18.6 points, 4.8 assists, 2.8 rebounds in March of 2017 on 42.7/36.4/75% shooting)
Of course if that is the stretch you want to stick to you also have to consider Ingram's best stretch of 12 games, the 12 games before he got injured last season...
His numbers in that stretch were: 17.8 points (55.2% fg, 46.4% 3p, 78.9% ft), 5 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1 block, 0.7 steals, 2.1 turnovers in 32 minutes
The Lakers were 8-4 in Ingram's hot streak (last season). The Nets were 5-7 during Russell's. Russell averaged 3 more points per game during his stretch as the Net's lead man. Randle and Kuzma were sharing the spotlight with Ingram but the impressive thing about his stretch were those shooting numbers. Unfortunately Ingram hasn't shot the ball well this season. But in his first couple of seasons he hit his peak in the latter half of the season.
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Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context.
Context like the ability to get to the basket? Ingram get to the rim more than twice as often (3x as often this season) as Russell, who is a jump shooter. For Ingram to reach his potential as a scorer he needs to be a reliable three point threat. The 39% he shot from three last season was impressive but at under 2 per game, and he's shot a career low from three (29%) this season. Russell meanwhile is a volume shooter from three, taking between 4.6-6.1 in his first three seasons and 7 this year but he never shot above 35.4% in his first three seasons, and is at respectable 37.4% this season.
Ingram needs his jumper to be reliable if he is going to become a 20 point scorer. If he does though you combine that with his ability to get to the basket, and his ability to shoot over defenders and that is where his upside comes from. Russell meanwhile will go as far as his jumper take as him, because of his inability to get to the rim.
That again is not a slight on Russell. When he drafted the hopes were that he could turn into a sharpshooter and an elite passer. He's made strides in both areas this season.
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D'Angelo Russell joins Anthony Davis as the only other player this season to score 40 points, have at least 7 assists and commit no more than 1 turnover.
Well, he'll be a FA this summer, bout to get paid
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D'Angelo Russell joins Anthony Davis as the only other player this season to score 40 points, have at least 7 assists and commit no more than 1 turnover.
Well, he'll be a FA this summer, bout to get paid
Good for (bleep) him. Wish it was us that pays him.
We do have the cap space, which would be ironic since we traded him to create that cap space... but let's aim higher than DLo
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D'Angelo Russell joins Anthony Davis as the only other player this season to score 40 points, have at least 7 assists and commit no more than 1 turnover.
Well, he'll be a FA this summer, bout to get paid
Good for (bleep) him. Wish it was us that pays him.
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This one's gonna sting for a long time. The natural talent was evident from the moment he stepped on the court. My favorite player during those dark days. I'd tune into games just to watch D'Angelo.
I can't think of a more perfect fit in the backcourt than Lonzo/DLO. Literally like a glove. The contrast in strengths would have been amazing.
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Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two.
Ingram also took less shots in both of those seasons while playing on better teams. My point though isn't really to compare those two, it's in relation to the response above where he responded to someone talking about young players in both cases breaking out in their fourth year (which Ingram and Lonzo have yet to reach) and then receiving a response about Ingram will never be the scorer that Russell is.
Truth of the matter is Ingram has more physical tools that Russell does. Ingram is the better athlete and he has superior length. Ingram is not the scorer that Russell is right now, but you might project him as having the higher upside as a scorer down the road. I do think Russell has more of a scorer's mentality though personally.
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And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Russell has had multiple knee injuries in his career. But he's also been hot and cold. I'm not tearing him down, I'm a fan of the guy. I didn't like seeing him traded.
The 20 point stretch you are talking about was over 12 games to start last season. The numbers were:
Russell's numbers in that 12 game stretch: 20.9 points (46.3% fg, 30% 3p, 68.3% ft), 4.6 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 0.2 blocks, 1 steal, 4 turnovers in 27.7 minutes
A very promising stretch, which he has only surpassed with this most recent month. Prior to that his best stretch was 18.6 points, 4.8 assists, 2.8 rebounds in March of 2017 on 42.7/36.4/75% shooting)
Of course if that is the stretch you want to stick to you also have to consider Ingram's best stretch of 12 games, the 12 games before he got injured last season...
His numbers in that stretch were: 17.8 points (55.2% fg, 46.4% 3p, 78.9% ft), 5 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1 block, 0.7 steals, 2.1 turnovers in 32 minutes
The Lakers were 8-4 in Ingram's hot streak (last season). The Nets were 5-7 during Russell's. Russell averaged 3 more points per game during his stretch as the Net's lead man. Randle and Kuzma were sharing the spotlight with Ingram but the impressive thing about his stretch were those shooting numbers. Unfortunately Ingram hasn't shot the ball well this season. But in his first couple of seasons he hit his peak in the latter half of the season.
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Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context.
Context like the ability to get to the basket? Ingram get to the rim more than twice as often (3x as often this season) as Russell, who is a jump shooter. For Ingram to reach his potential as a scorer he needs to be a reliable three point threat. The 39% he shot from three last season was impressive but at under 2 per game, and he's shot a career low from three (29%) this season. Russell meanwhile is a volume shooter from three, taking between 4.6-6.1 in his first three seasons and 7 this year but he never shot above 35.4% in his first three seasons, and is at respectable 37.4% this season.
Ingram needs his jumper to be reliable if he is going to become a 20 point scorer. If he does though you combine that with his ability to get to the basket, and his ability to shoot over defenders and that is where his upside comes from. Russell meanwhile will go as far as his jumper take as him, because of his inability to get to the rim.
That again is not a slight on Russell. When he drafted the hopes were that he could turn into a sharpshooter and an elite passer. He's made strides in both areas this season.
I don't see anything in BI's game that tells me he will be a scoring machine. Russell scored something like 18 straight points to end the half in that win against the Magic. That is high level stuff and is yet another glimpse of his scoring talent.
That does not appear to be Ingram's nature and I hope to hell that he does not feel pushed to be that guy. These two young men are very different players.
Ingram averaged 33.5 mpg in year two compared to 28.7 mpg for Russell in year two.
Ingram also took less shots in both of those seasons while playing on better teams. My point though isn't really to compare those two, it's in relation to the response above where he responded to someone talking about young players in both cases breaking out in their fourth year (which Ingram and Lonzo have yet to reach) and then receiving a response about Ingram will never be the scorer that Russell is.
Truth of the matter is Ingram has more physical tools that Russell does. Ingram is the better athlete and he has superior length. Ingram is not the scorer that Russell is right now, but you might project him as having the higher upside as a scorer down the road. I do think Russell has more of a scorer's mentality though personally.
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And that's without getting into the fact that Russell had a knee injury last season that limited him to just 48 games played and 35 starts (depressing his minutes played and overall stats). He was averaging around 20 ppg last season before his knee injury.
Russell has had multiple knee injuries in his career. But he's also been hot and cold. I'm not tearing him down, I'm a fan of the guy. I didn't like seeing him traded.
The 20 point stretch you are talking about was over 12 games to start last season. The numbers were:
Russell's numbers in that 12 game stretch: 20.9 points (46.3% fg, 30% 3p, 68.3% ft), 4.6 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 0.2 blocks, 1 steal, 4 turnovers in 27.7 minutes
A very promising stretch, which he has only surpassed with this most recent month. Prior to that his best stretch was 18.6 points, 4.8 assists, 2.8 rebounds in March of 2017 on 42.7/36.4/75% shooting)
Of course if that is the stretch you want to stick to you also have to consider Ingram's best stretch of 12 games, the 12 games before he got injured last season...
His numbers in that stretch were: 17.8 points (55.2% fg, 46.4% 3p, 78.9% ft), 5 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1 block, 0.7 steals, 2.1 turnovers in 32 minutes
The Lakers were 8-4 in Ingram's hot streak (last season). The Nets were 5-7 during Russell's. Russell averaged 3 more points per game during his stretch as the Net's lead man. Randle and Kuzma were sharing the spotlight with Ingram but the impressive thing about his stretch were those shooting numbers. Unfortunately Ingram hasn't shot the ball well this season. But in his first couple of seasons he hit his peak in the latter half of the season.
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Ingram is only a comparable scorer if you don't watch them play and ignore all context.
Context like the ability to get to the basket? Ingram get to the rim more than twice as often (3x as often this season) as Russell, who is a jump shooter. For Ingram to reach his potential as a scorer he needs to be a reliable three point threat. The 39% he shot from three last season was impressive but at under 2 per game, and he's shot a career low from three (29%) this season. Russell meanwhile is a volume shooter from three, taking between 4.6-6.1 in his first three seasons and 7 this year but he never shot above 35.4% in his first three seasons, and is at respectable 37.4% this season.
Ingram needs his jumper to be reliable if he is going to become a 20 point scorer. If he does though you combine that with his ability to get to the basket, and his ability to shoot over defenders and that is where his upside comes from. Russell meanwhile will go as far as his jumper take as him, because of his inability to get to the rim.
That again is not a slight on Russell. When he drafted the hopes were that he could turn into a sharpshooter and an elite passer. He's made strides in both areas this season.
Honestly, the difference between Russell and Ingram to me is the ability to generate offense. Ingram is certainly making strides in this regard, but I can't say I've seen an indication that Ingram can be the hub of an offense the way that D'Lo has shown. And that includes when D'Lo was with us. D'Lo is a better shot creator than Ingram despite Ingram's superior length. That's why I fundamentally disagree with how you're downplaying his higher end scoring and taking more shots. He can create more shots than Ingram because he's a more talented scorer. I would say the same thing about Kuzma compared to B.I. because he generates offense in a more natural way than B.I. which is why he tends to score more than B.I. and average more shot attempts.
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Who was that who didn't want to play rookies? IMO B Scott not playing Dlo gave the wrong impression of what he had to offer. He slowed D'Angelo's development. Homie's playing his ass off in Brooklyn. I hope he doesn't let the NY lights get to him. That's one hellofa city. NY the city that never sleeps. Back in the day alcohol was served until 4:00am, hard close 4:30am. I don't know if it's still the same. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Who was that who didn't want to play rookies? IMO B Scott not playing Dlo gave the wrong impression of what he had to offer. He slowed D'Angelo's development. Homie's playing his ass off in Brooklyn. I hope he doesn't let the NY lights get to him. That's one hellofa city. NY the city that never sleeps. Back in the day alcohol was served until 4:00am, hard close 4:30am. I don't know if it's still the same.
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He's hitting 60% of his 3's right now.
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His defense is much improved. He's really putting it all together. These flashes or streaks are pretty darn regular nowadays _________________ Music is my medicine
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