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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject:

DrDent wrote:
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I didnt know where to post this. It ll be interesting to find out who
originally thought the plan with the towers in the paint in contradiction
to the modern reigning opinion that this league belongs to small,quick
guards who shoot 3pointers in a high volume.I dont know if it was a plan
or simple luck but it changes the perspective of the game for sure.


I’m so glad you brought this up. Let’s really look at this.

Statistically speaking basically everyone and their mom loves this go wild with 3s and get a bunch of similar sized dudes who can switch or if you can’t try to go 3 and d as much as you can everywhere and have “positionless” basketball. Suns try this. Mavs. Kings. Keep going there’s tons more. Inevitably you do win games here and there simply if you get hot. But championship caliber?

Let’s remove that Durant warrior team from this equation. That was an outlier, no one will have anything like that in a starting 5 anytime soon. So take them out of the equation and you have a warrior team sans durant challenged by...Lebron and kyrie (love really in background). The other team that challenged the epitome of the 3 ball team: KL led raptors, a team built much more traditionally with size etc

Only team I can’t really explain is Houston. They live by the 3 and came close to even knocking off the Durant warriors. They added some additional toughness, d, and still loved iso ball tho with harden.

And here we have the Lakers. They have guys who can hit 3s but are much more traditional built with size up front and not requiring all 5 guys on floor be 3 shooters. They are moving back more towards balance (eg the big man is important, and one of our bigs is an upgrade to rest of you 3 guys as he can play all over) and dominating so far while doing it.


You mean actual basketball?


You know there is actually analytical logic to using the 3 ball as a main stray.

Say a guy he is a below average 3 point shooter at 33%..for simplicity, that is 1 point per 3 point attempt

Compare that to an above average 2 point shooter at 50%..that is also 1 point per attempt. But with 2 point shoots there is risk of having the ball stolen or stripped.

So a below average 3 point shooter can be just as efficient as an above average 2 point shooter b/c a 3 point shoot is worth 50% more than a 2 point shoot.

So this is the reason why I think some teams have gone with the 3 point shooting philosphy. Plus, the idea of using size and length, will there just aren't a lot of big men like AD, Dwight, and Mcgee around. At least not enough for many teams to utilize. The Lakers happen to have 3 of them. But there are plenty of small guards around..and they can be trained to be great 3 point shooters. Guys like AD are "freaks" of nature..you can't train that so easily or perhaps not at all.

So using size is a great strategy because you can just overpower opponents. But it is just not available to all..the Lakers with their branding power, seem to be one of the few teams that can do this and it seems to be their philosphy..Magic the 6'10" point guard, the 2009-2012 team of Odom/Brynum/Gasol and the 2000s of Shaq..enough said.


Good post👍 Also this AM I realized: Lakers know how to build around a talented big man. Just in their DNA. Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Gasol...AD


Shots at the rim are the most efficient shots, that is why we are dominating.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:55 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers are up to 5th in 3P% (37.1%) and 1st over the last 15 games (40.4%!), which is so so nice after years of horrific shooting... As expected, the team has strong catch & shoot numbers playing off Lebron/Davis (39.8%, 4th).


https://twitter.com/Reed_nba/status/1205554924911611904?s=19

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The Lakers will be very hard to beat so long as this holds up:

They are top 5 in points in the paint (2nd), PITP allowed (5th), 3P% (5th), and 3P% allowed (5th). The math is too much for opponents to overcome most nights...


https://twitter.com/Reed_nba/status/1205558286566776833?s=19
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:07 pm    Post subject:

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The Lakers are up to 5th in 3P% (37.1%) and 1st over the last 15 games (40.4%!), which is so so nice after years of horrific shooting... As expected, the team has strong catch & shoot numbers playing off Lebron/Davis (39.8%, 4th).


https://twitter.com/Reed_nba/status/1205554924911611904?s=19

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The Lakers will be very hard to beat so long as this holds up:

They are top 5 in points in the paint (2nd), PITP allowed (5th), 3P% (5th), and 3P% allowed (5th). The math is too much for opponents to overcome most nights...


https://twitter.com/Reed_nba/status/1205558286566776833?s=19


That's nice and all but still 3rd worst in the NBA in FT%. That won't get it done.

Though surprisingly, Bucks are the 2nd worst in FT%.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject:

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The Lakers are up to 5th in 3P% (37.1%) and 1st over the last 15 games (40.4%!), which is so so nice after years of horrific shooting... As expected, the team has strong catch & shoot numbers playing off Lebron/Davis (39.8%, 4th).


https://twitter.com/Reed_nba/status/1205554924911611904?s=19

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The Lakers will be very hard to beat so long as this holds up:

They are top 5 in points in the paint (2nd), PITP allowed (5th), 3P% (5th), and 3P% allowed (5th). The math is too much for opponents to overcome most nights...


https://twitter.com/Reed_nba/status/1205558286566776833?s=19


Definitely going to lose in the first round unless we get a third all star
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:38 am    Post subject:

We fall from 5th to 12th in three point shooting within a week.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject:

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The 13 NBA teams with winning records has an .835 winning % against the 17 with losing records. I’ve been saying for a month it feels like there is an abnormally large gap between 10 best and 10 worst teams this season.


That's how I've felt. It's a weird year. There are way more pathetic teams than usual.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject:

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Lakers have the #1 Offense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*366 possessions

Lakers have the #1 Defense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*305 possessions


https://twitter.com/bj_metta/status/1206499760439382024?s=21
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:59 am    Post subject:

27 GAMES

OFFRTG : 112.0 (5)
DEFRTG : 102.9 (3)
NETRTG : +9.1 (2)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:09 pm    Post subject:

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Lakers have the #1 Offense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*366 possessions

Lakers have the #1 Defense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*305 possessions


https://twitter.com/bj_metta/status/1206499760439382024?s=21


Only BJ Metta World Peace would try to gather those stats.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject:

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Lakers have the #1 Offense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*366 possessions

Lakers have the #1 Defense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*305 possessions


https://twitter.com/bj_metta/status/1206499760439382024?s=21


It seems like they lead the league in forcing shot clock violations. Happens 2-3 times a game.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject:

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27 GAMES

OFFRTG : 112.0 (5)
DEFRTG : 102.9 (3)
NETRTG : +9.1 (2)


Collision course with the Buckaroos.
Too bad EB is out of action for that game.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:12 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
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Lakers have the #1 Offense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*366 possessions

Lakers have the #1 Defense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*305 possessions


https://twitter.com/bj_metta/status/1206499760439382024?s=21


Only BJ Metta World Peace would try to gather those stats.


He’s awesome. Between his unique stats and Nicholas Cage meme trolling NBA Twitter.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:59 am    Post subject:

anyone with an update here?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:59 am    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
epak wrote:
LakerSD wrote:
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Lakers have the #1 Offense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*366 possessions

Lakers have the #1 Defense w/ Shot Clock < 4 seconds
*305 possessions


https://twitter.com/bj_metta/status/1206499760439382024?s=21


Only BJ Metta World Peace would try to gather those stats.


He’s awesome. Between his unique stats and Nicholas Cage meme trolling NBA Twitter.


This make sense And it seems the Lakers don’t take advantage of this enough. The Lakers should make it more difficult for teams to get into their offense so they have less time to setup plays.

The Lakers seem to be good at help defense and forcing teams to make the extra pass. But good teams make the extra the pass and if you give them too much time, they will find the open man.

If by the time they setup their offense they have 16 to 17 seconds, it will be harder for teams and they will have to force more shots over the Lakers length.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:39 pm    Post subject:

33 GAMES

OFFRTG : 111.7 (6)
DEFRTG : 104.8 (8)
NETRTG : +6.9 (4)

Obviously we fell down with the 4 games losing streak...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:25 am    Post subject:

durden-tyler wrote:
33 GAMES

OFFRTG : 111.7 (6)
DEFRTG : 104.8 (8)
NETRTG : +6.9 (4)

Obviously we fell down with the 4 games losing streak...


Where do you get your numbers from? Basketball-reference.com has us at numbers 6 (ORTG) and 4 (DRTG).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:00 am    Post subject:

According to ESPN team stats the Lakers are tied for 5th in SOS.

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:01 am    Post subject:

32 wrote:
According to ESPN team stats the Lakers are tied for 5th in SOS.

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS


Thank you to the Thunder, Spurs and Jazz for starting to win
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:15 pm    Post subject:

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33 GAMES

OFFRTG : 111.7 (6)
DEFRTG : 104.8 (8)
NETRTG : +6.9 (4)

Obviously we fell down with the 4 games losing streak...


Where do you get your numbers from? Basketball-reference.com has us at numbers 6 (ORTG) and 4 (DRTG).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html


NBA.com
With last night games, we're now 6th and 6th...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:26 pm    Post subject:

32 wrote:
According to ESPN team stats the Lakers are tied for 5th in SOS.

http://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS


Pelicans are set to make one hell of a Playoff push 0.0
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:00 am    Post subject:

The Lakers are now #1 in the league on ESPN's Relative Percent Index.

Relative Percent Index: The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage, 50% opponents' average winning percentage, and 25% opponents' opponents' average winning percentage.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:42 am    Post subject:

32 wrote:
The Lakers are now #1 in the league on ESPN's Relative Percent Index.

Relative Percent Index: The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage, 50% opponents' average winning percentage, and 25% opponents' opponents' average winning percentage.


Thank you to the OKC thunder for going on that hot streak and having a record over .500. Also thank you to the Utah jazz for going on a hot streak.

I think those 2 teams winning made our strength of schedule so much better.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:40 am    Post subject:

Don’t know about the numbers, but the Lakers may have found something with the Zone defense.

They looked pretty effective and of significance it looked like it bothered Dallas, a good offense with plenty of shooting.

Just another area of strength. Obviously they have to clean up on the boards when they do play zone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:23 pm    Post subject:

Here's a chart of every Western Conference team's performance against above .500 teams

https://i.redd.it/zdol7wey4ta41.jpg

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:28 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
Here's a chart of every Western Conference team's performance against above .500 teams

https://i.redd.it/zdol7wey4ta41.jpg

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I was wondering this drae...

We get so much ish for being 22-0 so the talking heads can act like we fatten up on the sisters of the poor and get housed by the big boys when in fact we have the most wins against teams under 500

AND over 500 too...

I swear I'm so tired of the talking heads trying to verbally defecate on us just to pad their analytics...it's so lazy.

We're as soft as a brick wall surrounded by reinforced steel.
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