To me Josh Hart is absolutely untouchable
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:57 am    Post subject: To me Josh Hart is absolutely untouchable

This kid does everything you can ask for.....he hits 3's.....he is strong to the basket.....he defends well several positions

I dont give this guy away in any trade.....and you just know teams are going to ask for him.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject:

Does this mean Lonzo BI & Kuz are all tradable to you?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:02 am    Post subject:

I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:07 am    Post subject:

In terms of value to the Lakers, I would rate the four young players as follows:
Lonzo
Hart
Kuzma
Ingram

I know that is controversial, since BI may have the highest ceiling of the group, but right now he is a jack of all trades that doesn't fill any particular strong need. Lonzo, Hart, and Kuzma all seem to be better complements to LeBron due to playmaking (Lonzo), defense (Lonzo and Hart), 3-point shooting (all 3 of them), and ability to score off the pass without initiating the offense (all three of them).

I hope Ingram has a great year but I suspect that if he does he may be the centerpiece of a trade.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject:

There are many categories to use to rate prospects.

First obviously is talent.

But another importnat consideration is contract size and when their rookie deals are up (i.e. extension and RFA).

Hart is making pennies and has several years on his deal. That makes him valuable aside from the talent he's showcasing on the court.

BI is about to get expensive really soon (extension eligible next summer, RFA in 2020).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
Does this mean Lonzo BI & Kuz are all tradable to you?


For the right player(s)? Yes, and I would include Hart in that. I just doubt that type of player gets offered.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.


Lol I’ll trade Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart for AD any day of the week including holiday. Only my heart can pause if AD suffer a major injury. Other than that, gone in a second.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject:

being absolutely untouchable is high praise.

There’s probably less than 10 in the NBA.

Glad one of them is Hart
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:20 am    Post subject:

I don't think we have an unquestioned untouchable player.

That would be someone like Giannis or AD (age factored in for me). With some of the older guys it's more complicated, but we don't have a KD or Curry level talent amongst the young guys either.

I think if were to get a bona fide all nba level player in return we'd trade the "untouchable" players in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
LKA wrote:
Does this mean Lonzo BI & Kuz are all tradable to you?


For the right player(s)? Yes, and I would include Hart in that. I just doubt that type of player gets offered.


I’m in the same boat.
I love Hart but none of the young guys are untouchable

Imo there’s only a handful of untouchable players in the league..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject:

CRoost wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.


Lol I’ll trade Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart for AD any day of the week including holiday. Only my heart can pause if AD suffer a major injury. Other than that, gone in a second.


Giving up the whole farm is just gonna give rival teams a reason to laugh at us, Boston will likely offer Tatum and Hayward for AD and we are gonna give up all those pieces?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
There are many categories to use to rate prospects.

First obviously is talent.

But another importnat consideration is contract size and when their rookie deals are up (i.e. extension and RFA).

Hart is making pennies and has several years on his deal. That makes him valuable aside from the talent he's showcasing on the court.

BI is about to get expensive really soon (extension eligible next summer, RFA in 2020).


How does Hart have 7 years on contract?
Thought he’s RFA in 2021
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
CRoost wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.


Lol I’ll trade Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart for AD any day of the week including holiday. Only my heart can pause if AD suffer a major injury. Other than that, gone in a second.


Giving up the whole farm is just gonna give rival teams a reason to laugh at us, Boston will likely offer Tatum and Hayward for AD and we are gonna give up all those pieces?


Zero chance Boston gives up Tatum

But I do think the value of those 2 is about equal to Lonzo, Kuz, BI & Hart
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
CRoost wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.


Lol I’ll trade Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart for AD any day of the week including holiday. Only my heart can pause if AD suffer a major injury. Other than that, gone in a second.


Giving up the whole farm is just gonna give rival teams a reason to laugh at us, Boston will likely offer Tatum and Hayward for AD and we are gonna give up all those pieces?


Yes because it easy to build when you have a franchise player as the biggest piece. And with Lebron, that’s not even debatable for me. Lakers way is always win rings. We ain’t like Orlando who is more of a farm system for us.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:30 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
CRoost wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.


Lol I’ll trade Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart for AD any day of the week including holiday. Only my heart can pause if AD suffer a major injury. Other than that, gone in a second.


Giving up the whole farm is just gonna give rival teams a reason to laugh at us, Boston will likely offer Tatum and Hayward for AD and we are gonna give up all those pieces?


Zero chance Boston gives up Tatum

But I do think the value of those 2 is about equal to Lonzo, Kuz, BI & Hart


The advantageous part for Boston is that they got quality picks they can trade in a Davis trade while the Lakers don’t.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
LKA wrote:
Does this mean Lonzo BI & Kuz are all tradable to you?


For the right player(s)? Yes, and I would include Hart in that. I just doubt that type of player gets offered.


I’m in the same boat.
I love Hart but none of the young guys are untouchable

Imo there’s only a handful of untouchable players in the league..


Ideally we would deal a couple for a star and keep the rest as role players.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject:

To me Bonga is absolutely untouchable. Probably needs it's own thread though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:34 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
LKA wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
CRoost wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.


Lol I’ll trade Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart for AD any day of the week including holiday. Only my heart can pause if AD suffer a major injury. Other than that, gone in a second.


Giving up the whole farm is just gonna give rival teams a reason to laugh at us, Boston will likely offer Tatum and Hayward for AD and we are gonna give up all those pieces?


Zero chance Boston gives up Tatum

But I do think the value of those 2 is about equal to Lonzo, Kuz, BI & Hart


The advantageous part for Boston is that they got quality picks they can trade in a Davis trade while the Lakers don’t.


Another reason why I say they wouldn’t trade Tatum

I think they would give up Kyrie before him.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
I agree, he is like a mini Butler for us... don’t see him going anywhere even in a Anthony Davis trade.



Slow down there.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
There are many categories to use to rate prospects.

First obviously is talent.

But another importnat consideration is contract size and when their rookie deals are up (i.e. extension and RFA).

Hart is making pennies and has several years on his deal. That makes him valuable aside from the talent he's showcasing on the court.

BI is about to get expensive really soon (extension eligible next summer, RFA in 2020).


How does Hart have 7 years on contract?
Thought he’s RFA in 2021


Who said 7 years?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
LKA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
There are many categories to use to rate prospects.

First obviously is talent.

But another importnat consideration is contract size and when their rookie deals are up (i.e. extension and RFA).

Hart is making pennies and has several years on his deal. That makes him valuable aside from the talent he's showcasing on the court.

BI is about to get expensive really soon (extension eligible next summer, RFA in 2020).


How does Hart have 7 years on contract?
Thought he’s RFA in 2021


Who said 7 years?


Lol my fault. Been awake for about 24 hours
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
To me Bonga is absolutely untouchable. Probably needs it's own thread though.


Yes. Bonga is the true untouchable.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:54 am    Post subject:

None of the young guys are untouchable. Hart I think is the defacto SG in waiting, to replace KCP.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject:

i like your loyalty but we need to stop using untouchable word so often

there's only like 5 untouchable players in the NBA

Steph
Durant
AD
Lebron
Giannis

non-franchise players, role players, good players are touchable

if your team CAN GET BETTER for the player in question, they are touchable...lol
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject:

h2omike wrote:
None of the young guys are untouchable. Hart I think is the defacto SG in waiting, to replace KCP.


He can play 1-4 . Not against those long 4 who can post up but the stretch 4. His versatility and ability to play well without the ball will get him minutes no matter what.
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