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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Or when Kobe played with Ceballos. That's 2 slam dunk champs right there. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Do we have even one guy considered to have elite athleticism? |
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SD2Hollyweird Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... _________________ I believe that a triangle, if it could speak, would say that God is eminently triangular, and a circle that the divine nature is eminently circular; and thus would every one ascribe his own attributes to God. - Baruch Spinoza |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:13 am Post subject: |
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SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
Let's see.
Not fast, Fisher used to be quick, not great vert... not great lateral.. Strong.
Strength is athleticism by itself at the NBA level? _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: |
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SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
You'd be hard to find anyone describe Rick Fox as athletic. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Do we have even one guy considered to have elite athleticism? |
No. It's not LeBron anymore, but I think he has more weight to shed before his quickness/explosiveness to the hoop arrive in the halfcourt, not just transition. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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SD2Hollyweird Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
You'd be hard to find anyone describe Rick Fox as athletic. |
Only those who never watched him play D during the championship years.... _________________ I believe that a triangle, if it could speak, would say that God is eminently triangular, and a circle that the divine nature is eminently circular; and thus would every one ascribe his own attributes to God. - Baruch Spinoza |
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SD2Hollyweird Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
Let's see.
Not fast, Fisher used to be quick, not great vert... not great lateral.. Strong.
Strength is athleticism by itself at the NBA level? |
Strong, quick hands, played great D until his first major injury (was it ankle?). Being able to go through is just as athletic as being able to go over.
I mean, it isn't hard, just take a dictionary definition: "physically strong, fit, and active." Explains Fisher to a T. _________________ I believe that a triangle, if it could speak, would say that God is eminently triangular, and a circle that the divine nature is eminently circular; and thus would every one ascribe his own attributes to God. - Baruch Spinoza |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: |
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SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
Let's see.
Not fast, Fisher used to be quick, not great vert... not great lateral.. Strong.
Strength is athleticism by itself at the NBA level? |
Strong, quick hands, played great D until his first major injury (was it ankle?). Being able to go through is just as athletic as being able to go over.
I mean, it isn't hard, just take a dictionary definition: "physically strong, fit, and active." Explains Fisher to a T. |
That's an awfully low bar considering how many more athletic starting point guards there were in the NBA. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: |
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SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
Let's see.
Not fast, Fisher used to be quick, not great vert... not great lateral.. Strong.
Strength is athleticism by itself at the NBA level? |
Strong, quick hands, played great D until his first major injury (was it ankle?). Being able to go through is just as athletic as being able to go over.
I mean, it isn't hard, just take a dictionary definition: "physically strong, fit, and active." Explains Fisher to a T. |
That's an awfully low bar considering how many more athletic starting point guards there were in the NBA. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
https://lakersdraft.substack.com/
I am not an economic advisor nor do I advise economic strategies or plans. |
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SD2Hollyweird Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
Let's see.
Not fast, Fisher used to be quick, not great vert... not great lateral.. Strong.
Strength is athleticism by itself at the NBA level? |
Strong, quick hands, played great D until his first major injury (was it ankle?). Being able to go through is just as athletic as being able to go over.
I mean, it isn't hard, just take a dictionary definition: "physically strong, fit, and active." Explains Fisher to a T. |
That's an awfully low bar considering how many more athletic starting point guards there were in the NBA. |
As strong and active as Fish was, pound for pound...do not agree *shrug*. _________________ I believe that a triangle, if it could speak, would say that God is eminently triangular, and a circle that the divine nature is eminently circular; and thus would every one ascribe his own attributes to God. - Baruch Spinoza |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
Let's see.
Not fast, Fisher used to be quick, not great vert... not great lateral.. Strong.
Strength is athleticism by itself at the NBA level? |
Strong, quick hands, played great D until his first major injury (was it ankle?). Being able to go through is just as athletic as being able to go over.
I mean, it isn't hard, just take a dictionary definition: "physically strong, fit, and active." Explains Fisher to a T. |
That's an awfully low bar considering how many more athletic starting point guards there were in the NBA. |
As strong and active as Fish was, pound for pound...do not agree *shrug*. |
But just to be clear, are you saying you consider Fisher and Fox to be athletic?
Or are you saying, the scouts think Fisher and Fox were athetic?
Because by NBA standards, they really weren't considered to be athletic.
Also, Luka Doncic is considered below average athletically and he's "physically strong, fit, and active."
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: |
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The 1998 Lakers were more athletic than this team. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: |
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McGee is our most athletic player, IMO. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | McGee is our most athletic player, IMO. |
don't forget our max player |
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | McGee is our most athletic player, IMO. |
don't forget our max player |
True. I took his athleticism for granted since its on the decline.
Ok, outside of Bron, I think it might be McGee |
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Do we have even one guy considered to have elite athleticism? |
McGee? Randle would have been. Those old Clippers teams with young LO and Miles were pretty athletic. Just not good. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Most Athletic Lakers Team Ever? |
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LakerLanny wrote: | In watching the Denver game, I am realizing every one of our guys can flush dunks with ease and overall we have speed to burn.
It is obvious the work say Kuzma put in on his body in the off season and Josh Hart dunks regularly all over the place.
I would argue that 1-12 this the most athletic team in Lakers history. And that is saying something. I am not saying the best team in Lakers history, but it isn't like we are at a disadvantage anymore athletically.
Thoughts? |
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:56 am Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | SD2Hollyweird wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
Fisher, Fox not athletic?
Athleticism =/= jumping high. NBA fans..... |
Let's see.
Not fast, Fisher used to be quick, not great vert... not great lateral.. Strong.
Strength is athleticism by itself at the NBA level? |
Strong, quick hands, played great D until his first major injury (was it ankle?). Being able to go through is just as athletic as being able to go over.
I mean, it isn't hard, just take a dictionary definition: "physically strong, fit, and active." Explains Fisher to a T. |
That's an awfully low bar considering how many more athletic starting point guards there were in the NBA. |
As strong and active as Fish was, pound for pound...do not agree *shrug*. |
But just to be clear, are you saying you consider Fisher and Fox to be athletic?
Or are you saying, the scouts think Fisher and Fox were athetic?
Because by NBA standards, they really weren't considered to be athletic.
Also, Luka Doncic is considered below average athletically and he's "physically strong, fit, and active." |
In their prime, yes, I do. Scouts also overlook players ALL THE TIMe because of idiotic measurement statistics....So, I am not so concerned with their definitions....BTW, Dean Smith surely felt Fox was athletic: "“I asked the guy seated next to me, ‘Who is that?'” Smith told the Boston Globe in 1991. “He said, ‘That’s Rick Fox.’ The guy seated next to me turned out to be one of his coaches. I kept boasting about how well he moved his feet and hands.”"
https://usatodayhss.com/2013/high-school-insider-tar-heels-found-rick-fox-by-accident
Quick hands and feet are part of athleticism...again, unless, like many here and commenting on the NBA, they leave that to the realm of jumping high....
As far as Fisher, even out of his prime, you do not make the shot he did against the Celts in 2010 without superb athleticism (e.g., strength and active bodily capacity).
Again, *shrug* _________________ I believe that a triangle, if it could speak, would say that God is eminently triangular, and a circle that the divine nature is eminently circular; and thus would every one ascribe his own attributes to God. - Baruch Spinoza |
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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I would say pound for pound kcp is our most athletic player.LeBron if you leave out size. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:49 am Post subject: |
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SD2Hollyweird wrote: | LongBeachPoly wrote: |
But just to be clear, are you saying you consider Fisher and Fox to be athletic?
Or are you saying, the scouts think Fisher and Fox were athetic?
Because by NBA standards, they really weren't considered to be athletic.
Also, Luka Doncic is considered below average athletically and he's "physically strong, fit, and active." |
In their prime, yes, I do. Scouts also overlook players ALL THE TIMe because of idiotic measurement statistics....So, I am not so concerned with their definitions....BTW, Dean Smith surely felt Fox was athletic: "“I asked the guy seated next to me, ‘Who is that?'” Smith told the Boston Globe in 1991. “He said, ‘That’s Rick Fox.’ The guy seated next to me turned out to be one of his coaches. I kept boasting about how well he moved his feet and hands.”"
https://usatodayhss.com/2013/high-school-insider-tar-heels-found-rick-fox-by-accident
Quick hands and feet are part of athleticism...again, unless, like many here and commenting on the NBA, they leave that to the realm of jumping high....
As far as Fisher, even out of his prime, you do not make the shot he did against the Celts in 2010 without superb athleticism (e.g., strength and active bodily capacity).
Again, *shrug* |
Yeah, so basically, you're just challenging the norms of what's considered to be "athletic." And that's ok, it's just good to try and be clear.
So you feel Fox and Fisher are athletic based on your own interpretations of what "athletic" means.
Other people on here are saying that Fisher and Fox are not athletic based on industry standards.
It's 2 different arguments.
Which would you like to discuss? If you want to discuss about why Fisher and Fox fit YOUR definition of what athletic means, no one can argue with you. No one knows what your definition is. Only you know. So, yeah, you're right on that. Fisher and Fox do fit YOUR definition of athletic players.
Now, if you want to discuss if Fisher and Fox fit the industry norms of an athletic player in the NBA, then we can discuss that. And everyone on here feels that they don't.
So which do you want to discuss? |
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | If anybody would know. It would be NPZ. |
Tbh, I'd probably go with one of the Lake Show teams that had prime Shaq. That kind of athleticism at the C position is beyond rare. Then add that to young Kobe, Eddie, younger Horry, Van Exel.
The early 80s Lakers were imo more athletic overall than the latter teams. They were built to run other teams out. The 89 team with Orlando, Scott, Worthy was pretty good.
This team today might have the raw athletic attributes, but they often annoy me with how that's not utilized to their benefit. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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Mike@LG wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The one season of Kobe/Shaq/Eddie/Nick/Horry Lakers were pretty damn athletic with some mobile, if dumb, backup bigs in Elden, Corie Blount, and Mario Bennett. Obviously Fisher, Fox, and Jon Barry drug down their athletic quotient, but that top group was athletic as hell. |
That's the team I was going to mention.
The current team is fast, and actually knows how to get into transition. But most athletic?
Nick, Kobe, Eddie, Horry (before he got too big), Shaq, Elden (every bit the hops of McGee, just not quite the wingspan/hands), etc. |
that team was awesome. VERY athletic. Fisher doesn't drag it down! He was super strong, and had hops! He could dunk before 2001ish. |
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