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BigGameHames
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:06 pm Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

Jarrett Allen #8
Ed Davis #17
Joe Harris #9
Caris LeVert #20
D'Angelo Russell #15

JaVale McGee #21
Kyle Kuzma #87
LeBron James #1
Brandon Ingram #78
Lonzo Ball #33

Brooklyn's record 7-10
Our record 9-7

We get it man. You gotta stop repeating yourself over and over.

Sentient Meat
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:24 pm Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

We get it man. You gotta stop repeating yourself over and over.

I can't help it if others are recycling old news. I will reply as often as people keep posting that stat.

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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:28 pm Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

BigGameHames wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

We get it man. You gotta stop repeating yourself over and over.

I can't help it if others are recycling old news. I will reply as often as people keep posting that stat.

I may or may not have been joking but tell me more

BigGameHames
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:49 pm Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

BigGameHames wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

We get it man. You gotta stop repeating yourself over and over.

I can't help it if others are recycling old news. I will reply as often as people keep posting that stat.

Mature.

Annihilator
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

The Lakers also have:

Hart (#7 of 99 sgs)
Rondo (#27 of 90 pgs)

Your point, however, is well taken. One would expect better players (as measured by rpm) to lead to better won-loss records.
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Sentient Meat
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:00 pm Post subject:

Annihilator wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

The Lakers also have:

Hart (#7 of 99 sgs)
Rondo (#27 of 90 pgs)

Your point, however, is well taken. One would expect better players (as measured by rpm) to lead to better won-loss records.

I think RPM has value like many other stats when combined into a holistic analysis.

When I see people use one stat to suggest we ought to trade someone is when I bristle.

It currently has Rudy Gay, Gallinari, Covington, Joe Harris ranked above Kawhi.

Therefore, if someone uses it to suggest we ought trade someone, I'm going to reply with a healthy amount of skepticism.

Annihilator
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

So, it is ok to say that a player "sucks" using rpm as long as no one suggests trading such "sucky" player???
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BigGameHames
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:17 pm Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Annihilator wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

The Lakers also have:

Hart (#7 of 99 sgs)
Rondo (#27 of 90 pgs)

Your point, however, is well taken. One would expect better players (as measured by rpm) to lead to better won-loss records.

You respond with skepticism even when the analytics are put in context and paired with on court reasons to assess why some aren’t high on him. Don’t act like you only attempt refute unreasonable criticism, you attempt to refute any criticism.

Sentient Meat
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject:

Annihilator wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

So, it is ok to say that a player "sucks" using rpm as long as no one suggests trading such "sucky" player???

No, I'd say combined with a well thought out argument and other data supporting it.

Many people write comments about Ingram or disliking his play... I tend only to retort to lazy one sentence hot takes.

Sentient Meat
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:22 pm Post subject:

BigGameHames wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

Annihilator wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

The Lakers also have:

Hart (#7 of 99 sgs)
Rondo (#27 of 90 pgs)

Your point, however, is well taken. One would expect better players (as measured by rpm) to lead to better won-loss records.

Maybe a few... but I usually only feel irritated by people who make near valueless one sentence comments.

People who take time to explain their position, I usually don't have a problem with though of course I might respond.

The worst are those who complain about everyone, yet rarely make constructive suggestions on how to fix them other than to say sign a max player.

saetarubia
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:19 am Post subject:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

LeBron is the difference. Look how trash Cavs are without him and he took them to NBA finals few months ago.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:29 am Post subject:

saetarubia wrote:

Sentient Meat wrote:

defense wrote:

RPM

Ingram ranks 78 out of 83 SF's
Kuzma ranks 87 out of 91 PF's
Lonzo ranks 33 out of 90 PG's

YIKES!

Our guys suuck

LeBron is the difference. Look how trash Cavs are without him and he took them to NBA finals few months ago.

Yep, the record difference just illustrates the value of the gap between LBJ and everybody else.

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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:07 am Post subject:

It took a week before they updated the RPM numbers. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm Lebron is 7th. Hart is the only other Laker in the top 100 (93), followed by McGee (103), Zubac (150), Rondo (157), Beasley (200), Stephenson (202), Ball (213), Williams (280), Mykhailiuk (304), Chandler (305), Kuzma (340), Casey P. (370), Ingram (391). (If anyone is curious, Trae Young currently ranks 434rd and last in the league.) Basically, the +/- stats are confirming what we already knew -- that Lebron is pretty much carrying the team.

jg77
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:56 am Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

It took a week before they updated the RPM numbers.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

Lebron is 7th. Hart is the only other Laker in the top 100 (93), followed by McGee (103), Zubac (150), Rondo (157), Beasley (200), Stephenson (202), Ball (213), Williams (280), Mykhailiuk (304), Chandler (305), Kuzma (340), Casey P. (370), Ingram (391). (If anyone is curious, Trae Young currently ranks 434rd and last in the league.)

Basically, the +/- stats are confirming what we already knew -- that Lebron is pretty much carrying the team.

Eh, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that we'd have the same record without LeBron. LeBron knows to play the game where it shows up positive in advanced metrics. Great player nonetheless but I don't think he's been carrying us.

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saetarubia
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:04 am Post subject:

jg77 wrote:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

Eh, I think it's out of the realm of possibility that we'd have the same record without LeBron. LeBron knows to play the game where it shows up positive in advanced metrics. Great player nonetheless but I don't think he's been carrying us.

I think we would win close to 40 with last year's roster(didn't even have a good back up PG and won 35). Hope Bron can get us around 48-50 as a massive improvement over Randle offensively.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:47 am Post subject:

jg77 wrote:

Okay, that's one of the more intriguing conspiracy-type theories I've seen recently. How exactly do you play the game where it shows up positive in advanced metrics?

BigGameHames
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:52 am Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

jg77 wrote:

Okay, that's one of the more intriguing conspiracy-type theories I've seen recently. How exactly do you play the game where it shows up positive in advanced metrics?

By being the best player in the world? You’re right, he’s carrying us but I don’t think that’s a bad thing or unexpected. It takes time to figure out how to play with LeBron.

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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:55 am Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

jg77 wrote:

Okay, that's one of the more intriguing conspiracy-type theories I've seen recently. How exactly do you play the game where it shows up positive in advanced metrics?

Not really a conspiracy theory. I can watch him play and see him not try at all on the defense but the stats will tell you otherwise. It's been reported that LeBron is really into advanced stats. I wasn't taking anything away from him as a player but I don't think he's carrying us. I saw us play well last year without him and to say we couldn't do the same isn't true to me.

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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:03 am Post subject:

saetarubia wrote:

jg77 wrote:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

I think we would win close to 40 with last year's roster(didn't even have a good back up PG and won 35). Hope Bron can get us around 48-50 as a massive improvement over Randle offensively.

If we had the same roster as last year but had Rondo, I think we'd be fighting for the 6-7-8th spot. With Lebron we're hoping for 2nd-3rd IMO.

One of the things I think the RPM shows is that Lebron has been consistent. Hart and McGee to a point. The other guys have not. So these other guys have been showing up every so often to help win games, but havent been consistently helping win games.

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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:31 am Post subject:

jg77 wrote:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

jg77 wrote:

Okay, that's one of the more intriguing conspiracy-type theories I've seen recently. How exactly do you play the game where it shows up positive in advanced metrics?

Last year, we had Randle doing work. This team, without Lebron and no 17/18 Randle, would be heavily under .500.

Contrary to some opinion around here, there arent too many good players on this roster...potential, yes but currently good? No.

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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:06 am Post subject:

There is good and bad in the new RPM numbers. Ball's defense is showing up in the numbers, as his DRPM is up to +0.38. But his offense is also showing up in the numbers, as his ORPM is down to -1.53. He has a net of -1.15, which ranks him #46 among PGs. Ingram has a -2.71 (-2.47/-0.24), which makes him #73 among SFs. That is an improvement. Among all players, Lebron is #7, Hart is #46, no one else is in the top 100. The lowest rated player in the league is Collin Sexton, with an RPM of -5.53.

AFireInside619
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:01 am Post subject:

My favorite part of the BPM is the Bacon. And not that Canadian (bleep). Good ol’ American Bacon. And when I say American, I really mean the U.S. of A.

VicXLakers
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:13 am Post subject:

^ 🥓 Don't try to serve that Sizzlean

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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:27 am Post subject:

jg77 wrote:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:

jg77 wrote:

Okay, that's one of the more intriguing conspiracy-type theories I've seen recently. How exactly do you play the game where it shows up positive in advanced metrics?

LeBron was playing this way before we had much knowledge of advanced stats.

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