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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | nickuku wrote: | oasisdude77 wrote: | nickuku wrote: | Cutheon wrote: | LBP you're ruining this thread. Shut the (bleep) up. |
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Oh come on...it's not like there's anything else going on with the team.
It's not like anything is getting derailed. |
No but hes been a condescending assclown for the past 2 pages. |
I, for one, would most hardily agree. I'm not a big fan of Lounge for similar antics and find retreat over here. I would hate for that disease to spread. |
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LAkers 4 Life Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't get the rumors of Pollock for the team. He's too injury prone, will be expensive, will be 31, and cost the team a draft pick. The Dodgers didn't sign their first rounder last year, so I guess they feel they've got at least 3 high draft picks coming and can afford to let one go for Pollock. The injury history is a huge concern though. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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LAkers 4 Life wrote: | I don't get the rumors of Pollock for the team. He's too injury prone, will be expensive, will be 31, and cost the team a draft pick. The Dodgers didn't sign their first rounder last year, so I guess they feel they've got at least 3 high draft picks coming and can afford to let one go for Pollock. The injury history is a huge concern though. |
Yeah, doesn't make sense. I thought they value draft picks. Why not just keep Joc? |
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SGV-Laker fan Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:40 am Post subject: |
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this team as currently constructed does not have a face of the franchise type of player. Turner (too old), Kershaw (injury prone, not his same self), Seager (used to be face of the franchise, but who knows now after one year off), Bellinger (sophmore slump really soured his value). |
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Vishnu Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:36 am Post subject: |
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#Dodgers in agreement with free-agent outfielder A.J. Pollock, pending physical, sources tell The Athletic. Terms of deal not known. |
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ChickenStu Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Vishnu wrote: | Quote: | Ken Rosenthal
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#Dodgers in agreement with free-agent outfielder A.J. Pollock, pending physical, sources tell The Athletic. Terms of deal not known. |
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Jeff Passan says the sides had been discussing a 5 year deal in the $60MM+ range. If it ends up, say, 5/$65MM, that's quite reasonable in terms of AAV. If they do trade Joc, and go with Verdugo/Pollock/Bellinger, the outfield defense will be outstanding. |
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leor_77 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:44 am Post subject: |
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5 years $60 million. Looking like no Bryce. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Pollock receives a 5-year deal from #Dodgers with escalators and opt outs. |
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leor_77 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm guessing the numbers Bryce would command would just be too much. |
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nickuku Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Dude AJ Pollock sucks ass away from Arizona which is basically another Coors. _________________ Don't let perfect be the enemy of good |
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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Really not digging the way the FO is doing business this offseason. Who cares about the tax when they make the money they do? Time to stop supporting this crap. |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Not a fan. hope it turns out well but i think his best years are far behind him. he's an average offensive player that doesn't hit for average. great glove, but nothing like his heyday in 2015. IDK, i'm nervous about this one. |
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oasisdude77 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:54 am Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | Dude AJ Pollock sucks ass away from Arizona which is basically another Coors. |
He seemed to do fine at Dodger Stadium against us
All in all, don't mind this at all. He's a power hitting right handed bat that hits well against lefties.
Not sure what's going to happen to Joc, but he is a sever liability against left handed pitching. Perhaps we flip him for some bullpen help or some more prospects. |
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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Cutheon wrote: | Not a fan. hope it turns out well but i think his best years are far behind him. he's an average offensive player that doesn't hit for average. great glove, but nothing like his heyday in 2015. IDK, i'm nervous about this one. |
Might be the fact we just gave an injury-prone player who's 31 a 5-year contract while the 26-year-old superstar was there for the taking? |
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Looks like it's actually a 4-year deal for around $55MM. Nightengale also tweeted that the Dodgers are now turning their focus to acquiring Realmuto and that talks are "intensive" and "ongoing." |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:59 am Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | Cutheon wrote: | Not a fan. hope it turns out well but i think his best years are far behind him. he's an average offensive player that doesn't hit for average. great glove, but nothing like his heyday in 2015. IDK, i'm nervous about this one. |
Might be the fact we just gave an injury-prone player who's 31 a 5-year contract while the 26-year-old superstar was there for the taking? |
Yeah, probably. |
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ChickenStu Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Heyman said closer to $55MM, and I've seen a couple of tweets suggesting it's closer to $50MM, so let's see what the final numbers are...
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#Dodgers agreement with OF A.J. Pollock to 4-year approx $50m deal as 1st reported by @Ken_Rosenthal from The Athletics, most assuredly means that Harper will end up with #Nationals or #Phillies. #Dodgers wiling to take Pollock to age 34 despite not playing > 113g last 3 years |
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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Also, Puig is 3 years younger than Pollock, has a career OPS+ of 127 to his 112, is better defensively and is healthier. Doesn't hit lefties as well, but you just know we'll be platooning Pollock all the time to try to keep him healthy. I just don't get it. |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:15 am Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | Also, Puig is 3 years younger than Pollock, has a career OPS+ of 127 to his 112, is better defensively and is healthier. Doesn't hit lefties as well, but you just know we'll be platooning Pollock all the time to try to keep him healthy. I just don't get it. |
Nor do I, but I get very little that this regime does, as I might have said once or twice.
ChickenStu wrote: | Looks like it's actually a 4-year deal for around $55MM. Nightengale also tweeted that the Dodgers are now turning their focus to acquiring Realmuto and that talks are "intensive" and "ongoing." |
I do hope that the team does not think that now that they have another center fielder, that Bellinger is expendable. But, like I said, this front office values quantify over quality--in both trades and the roster. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:16 am Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | Looks like it's actually a 4-year deal for around $55MM. Nightengale also tweeted that the Dodgers are now turning their focus to acquiring Realmuto and that talks are "intensive" and "ongoing." |
I do hope that the team does not think that now that they have another center fielder, that Bellinger is expendable. But, like I said, this front office values quantify over quality--in both trades and the roster. |
I think Joc is gone. |
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DuncanIdaho Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Move over Moneyball, we're pioneering Injuryball over here |
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Bellinger isn't going anywhere. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:19 am Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | Also, Puig is 3 years younger than Pollock, has a career OPS+ of 127 to his 112, is better defensively and is healthier. Doesn't hit lefties as well, but you just know we'll be platooning Pollock all the time to try to keep him healthy. I just don't get it. |
I was a big Puig fan, but there had been friction between Puig and management and even other teammates here for years. Yeah, I think the stuff with the teammates had blown over, but the guy was in trade rumors constantly. It just wasn't ever likely that he would stay here once he reached free agency.
If it really is a 4 year deal for between $50-55MM, he's not breaking the bank at all. And I'll say this again, because it bears repeating: Pollock's career WAR is barely less than Harper's, and is higher on a per-plate appearance basis. Obviously I don't think he's as good as Harper is, but it does illustrate the fact that I think it's a perfectly defensible position to prefer signing Pollock for 4 years and $50-55MM, instead of giving Bryce something like 10/$300-350MM. There's simply not enough of a proven track record to give Harper a contract like that. If the Dodgers do end up getting Realmuto, I'll feel much better going into the season. And perhaps they can get something useful for Joc, too. Then I'm guessing they monitor the starting pitching trade market as the season unfolds. |
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nickuku Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Harper at his best is a generational talent. Even in his worse year his obp is still a significant amount better than pollock. _________________ Don't let perfect be the enemy of good |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:20 am Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | ribeye wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | Looks like it's actually a 4-year deal for around $55MM. Nightengale also tweeted that the Dodgers are now turning their focus to acquiring Realmuto and that talks are "intensive" and "ongoing." |
I do hope that the team does not think that now that they have another center fielder, that Bellinger is expendable. But, like I said, this front office values quantify over quality--in both trades and the roster. |
I think Joc is gone. |
If it is Joc plus (say a non top 10 or so prospect) then I'm with them. I don't trust them though. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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