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LAkers 4 Life
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| Kenta is better served as a reliever in the postseason. He was not as effective when he starts compared to relieving. It'd be great to see the Dodgers get an impact player like Rendon on a reasonable deal. I'd prefer them looking at Strasburg over Cole knowing that he might have been a by-product of the astros' cheating, even though Cole is a very talented pitcher. |
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| aprevo15 wrote: | https://lasportshub.com/2019/11/19/los-angeles-dodgers-rumors-hyun-jin-ryu-return/
It's a speculation but I hope it becomes true. |
If it’s true then the Dodgers have given up their pursuit of Rendon/Cole |
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| aprevo15 wrote: | https://lasportshub.com/2019/11/19/los-angeles-dodgers-rumors-hyun-jin-ryu-return/
It's a speculation but I hope it becomes true. |
please be false. don't kid yourself, the odds that Ryu repeats his last season's performance is very slim. this is typical Dodger front office, going after or keeping aging pitchers instead making a splash in FA with all the money they generate. |
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| aprevo15 wrote: | | It's kinda funny reading the astros forum. It went from denial to "we are not the only ones doing it" stage. |
To be fair, the initial article started off by noting this was a widespread problem throughout baseball. Most of the focus post that has been on Houston.
| Quote: | https://theathletic.com/1393498/2019/11/19/rosenthal-mlbs-sign-stealing-investigation-should-not-stop-at-the-astros/
The first sentence of our initial story about the Astros and sign stealing said, There is a broad story about this era of baseball that has yet to be told.
A major-league manager told us, “It’s an issue that permeates throughout the league.” And even before mentioning the Astros, Evan Drellich and I wrote, “Electronic sign stealing is not a single-team issue.” |
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loslakersss
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| aprevo15 wrote: | | It's kinda funny reading the astros forum. It went from denial to "we are not the only ones doing it" stage. |
They're gone through 3 stages of grief so far:
| DENIAL wrote: | | This is a witchhunt. There is no evidence, everyone whistles at ballgames. |
| ANGER wrote: | | STUPID, BITTER DODGER AND YANKEE FANS ARE JUST SORE LOSERS! |
| BARGAINING wrote: | | Maybe we did steal signs but everyone was doing it. We didn't do anything that wasn't being done by other teams as well. |
Depression is going to be setting in soon. Maybe when punishment is doled out. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | It's kinda funny reading the astros forum. It went from denial to "we are not the only ones doing it" stage. |
To be fair, the initial article started off by noting this was a widespread problem throughout baseball. Most of the focus post that has been on Houston. |
To be fair, the asstros are hot garbage. Cheating? check. Racism? Check. Condoning domestic violence? Check. F' that organization. |
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| Quote: | Dodgers protect three prospects from Rule 5 Draft
The team added Mitchell White, DJ Peters and Zach McKinstry to the 40-man roster.
A little bit of offseason news out of Los Angeles this afternoon as the Dodgers added three prospects to their 40-man roster, filling up every available spot.
Right-handed pitcher and LA’s No. 9 prospect Mitchell White, outfielder and No. 12 prospect DJ Peters and utility player Zach McKinstry are all clear from getting pulled by another team on Dec. 12 during the Rule 5 Draft.
White, 24, found a promotion during the 2019 season from Double-A Tulsa to Triple-A Oklahoma City. He pitched a combined 23 games, with 20 starts and finished with a 4-9 record and a 5.09 ERA. It wasn’t smooth sailing for him in Oklahoma City, though, with a 6.50 ERA in 63 2⁄3 innings. This move, however, shows the Dodgers organization likely has trust he can eventually end up as an end-of-rotation option.
Peters, a 23-year-old outfielder from Glendora, Calif., spent the last half of the season in Triple-A and had a decent overall season. He hit .249/.358/.453 in 125 games and crushed 23 home runs.
McKinstry is not on the Dodgers’ top 30 prospects list, but made some waves during the 2019 season. Like White, he was promoted from Tulsa to Oklahoma during the season. And he made a mighty good impression. The 24 year old batted .382/.421/.753 in 26 games with OKC and smacked seven home runs.
Now that it’s clear who the protected players are, there are only two players left on MLB Pipeline’s top 30 list that are left unprotected —
No. 23 infielder Cristian Santana and
No. 26 right-handed pitcher Jordan Sheffield.
https://www.truebluela.com/2019/11/20/20974846/dodgers-protect-three-prospects-from-rule-5-draft-mitchell-white-dj-peters-zach-mckinstry |
If every roster spot has been filled, what are we going to do when we start signing some free agents? Gotta trade/release some players to make room later on.
Also, wonder if we'll pick up some players from the Rule 5 draft this year. The roster expands to 26 players this year. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | It's kinda funny reading the astros forum. It went from denial to "we are not the only ones doing it" stage. |
To be fair, the initial article started off by noting this was a widespread problem throughout baseball. Most of the focus post that has been on Houston.
| Quote: | https://theathletic.com/1393498/2019/11/19/rosenthal-mlbs-sign-stealing-investigation-should-not-stop-at-the-astros/
The first sentence of our initial story about the Astros and sign stealing said, There is a broad story about this era of baseball that has yet to be told.
A major-league manager told us, “It’s an issue that permeates throughout the league.” And even before mentioning the Astros, Evan Drellich and I wrote, “Electronic sign stealing is not a single-team issue.” |
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Yet nary a peep from any whistleblowers on any other team. Not one former player, former coach, nothing.
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | It's kinda funny reading the astros forum. It went from denial to "we are not the only ones doing it" stage. |
To be fair, the initial article started off by noting this was a widespread problem throughout baseball. Most of the focus post that has been on Houston.
| Quote: | https://theathletic.com/1393498/2019/11/19/rosenthal-mlbs-sign-stealing-investigation-should-not-stop-at-the-astros/
The first sentence of our initial story about the Astros and sign stealing said, There is a broad story about this era of baseball that has yet to be told.
A major-league manager told us, “It’s an issue that permeates throughout the league.” And even before mentioning the Astros, Evan Drellich and I wrote, “Electronic sign stealing is not a single-team issue.” |
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Yet not nary a peep from any whistleblowers on any other team. Not one former player, former coach, nothing. |
Rob Manfred has already greased the skids on this. He has said publicly that the league isn't looking into any other teams right now and that he has broad authority to levy severe penalties. They are going to get hit hard on this. This isn't going to just be a monetary fine and that's it, or the forfeiture of one draft pick and that's it. Something genuinely punitive is going to happen. I still don't think they will make them vacate the title, but it will still be severe. |
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loslakersss
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Well someone used used AI to determine which whistle was happening in mutiple games and moments that made sense for fastball or offspeed pitches. Here is the video that pulled the cheating in 2017 World Series game 5 (I don't think I can re-visit that game yet, especially now).
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| Quote: | Negron was released by the Dodgers on Tuesday, Andersen Pickard of MLBDailyDish.com reports.
Negron appeared in 40 games for the Mariners and Dodgers last season, hitting just .247/.293/.338. The 33-year-old has started everywhere except pitcher and catcher in his career but has never played more than 50 games in a season due to his weak bat. |
unexpected. I thought he played great last year. |
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| In thinking about potential punishments that could be on the table for the Astros, I was talking with a friend and he brought up an interesting thought: what about a postseason ban? |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | In thinking about potential punishments that could be on the table for the Astros, I was talking with a friend and he brought up an interesting thought: what about a postseason ban? |
One problem I can see is that it would also put an asterisk on the 2020 season. This would be punishing the 2020 WS winner. The Astros are the favorites to win the title next year.
What if they finish with the best record next year? What if they win 106+ again?
Banning them from the postseason would be punishing other teams. It'd be punishing the Yankees if they make the WS. People would say they couldn't get past the Astros until the Astros got banned. The WS winner would have an asterisk again because the best team in mlb wasn't allowed to participate in the playoffs.
Also, mlb wants this issue to go away. They know that when the punishment is levied, there will be alot of talk about it. But eventually, they want it to die down/out. However, banning the Astros from the playoffs wouldn't accomplish that. Once playoffs roll around, all the talk will be about how the Astros are banned from the playoffs.
These are 2 issues I can see with this penalty. |
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I wonder if AJ Hinch could get the Sean Payton treatment and get suspended for the entire 2020 season. And I wonder if the investigation will uncover that not just on-field management, but upper management (like the GM and the like) were all involved in this scheme. You know that MLB is going to interview just not Mike Fiers, but other former players, as well as current Astros players. Will the current Astros players stonewall MLB? If so, and if other sources confirm the allegations, what does MLB do about the current players then? If the players do confess to the scheme/schemes, how serious are the ramifications? That's the thing: the players are also 100% complicit in all of this.
Oh, and you figure that Alex Cora, the current manager of the Red Sox and the Astros bench coach in 2017, will have to be interviewed. Does he stonewall? Does he tell the truth? If Hinch gets hammered on this, how does MLB view other Astros coaches that may have been involved, such as Cora? Does he get a lengthy suspension as well? All interesting questions. |
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My guess is season long suspensions for all management and coaches involved in the Spygate for the Astros. Maximum team fine is $2 million dollars? Also forfeiting draft and overseas picks this year. Put them on 3 year probation, another cheating scandal and they get a postseason ban.
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| waterman40 wrote: | | My guess is season long suspensions for all management and coaches involved in the Spygate for the Astros. Maximum team fine is $2 million dollars? Also forfeiting draft and overseas picks this year. Put them on 3 year probation, another cheating scandal and they get a postseason ban. |
| Quote: | Astros sign-stealing scandal: MLB seeking phone records, promises players leniency for cooperating
Passan says players who cooperate with the investigation have been told they can expect leniency when it comes time to hand down discipline; however, front office personnel and members of the coaching staff could face stiff penalties. Several players who are no longer active have declined to be interviewed. MLB's rules require only active players to participate in an investigation.
Players have been asked about "buzzing," via the use of Band-Aid-like wearable stickers; furtive earpieces; pitch-picking algorithms; and other potential methods of sign-stealing, the sources said. Accusations about the extent of the alleged wrongdoing have streamed into commissioner Rob Manfred's office from officials of other teams, the sources said. MLB officials are endeavoring to separate fact from fiction, the sources told ESPN, and the league has not concluded whether any such methods actually have been used.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/astros-sign-stealing-scandal-mlb-seeking-phone-records-promises-players-leniency-for-cooperating/
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Prisoner's Dilemma. An unstated major premise is that players who DON'T cooperate should expect penalties. If they all keep quiet, they're fine, but if one squaks, the rest are all screwed.
(This ignores the possibility that they league could find a violation using evidence other than admissions from players.) |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | It's kinda funny reading the astros forum. It went from denial to "we are not the only ones doing it" stage. |
To be fair, the initial article started off by noting this was a widespread problem throughout baseball. Most of the focus post that has been on Houston.
| Quote: | https://theathletic.com/1393498/2019/11/19/rosenthal-mlbs-sign-stealing-investigation-should-not-stop-at-the-astros/
The first sentence of our initial story about the Astros and sign stealing said, There is a broad story about this era of baseball that has yet to be told.
A major-league manager told us, “It’s an issue that permeates throughout the league.” And even before mentioning the Astros, Evan Drellich and I wrote, “Electronic sign stealing is not a single-team issue.” |
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Yet nary a peep from any whistleblowers on any other team. Not one former player, former coach, nothing. |
Compared to the one Astros whistleblower, that has been getting killed from players since he did it? Snitching carries a bad rep. Not a shocker ones from other teams aren’t coming out. How many whistleblowers does baseball have from the steroid era, for example? |
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| If the players refuse to cooperate and if MLB still uncovers and proves the scheme, then you have to suspend the players too. Screw 'em. As I said, they are 100% complicit in this, assuming it's true. |
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| Quote: | MLB commissioner Rob Manfred ordered an immediate probe into Fiers’s claim. A source familiar with the sign-stealing investigation said by midweek that Manfred’s investigators had interviewed “15 to 20” Astros personnel, including the 2017 coaching staff and manager A.J. Hinch—some more than once.
The source said the investigation confirmed the scheme as described by Fiers was used during a period of about three months during the 2017 regular season. The source added that the investigation is also pursuing whether the Astros used modified systems to acquire signs in the 2017 postseason, when scrutiny is heightened and the banging of a trash can would be more manifest. The Astros were 8–1 at home in the 2017 postseason.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/11/22/astros-sign-stealing-2017-playoffs
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Sounds like mlb already confirmed that the Astros were guilty during the 2017 reg season. . They're just try to figure out if they did it in the playoffs that year and beyond. |
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| Quote: | For one thing, cheating casts a shadow over one of the most famous moments in all of sports.
In the 1951 National League playoff game between the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers, according to a 2001 Wall Street Journal article in which several Giants players finally came clean, the Giants used a telescope perched in their center-field clubhouse at the Polo Grounds to steal the opposing catcher's signals.
Someone in the Giants' clubhouse, often a coach, would press a buzzer connected to the team's outfield bullpen, which was easily visible to batters facing the pitcher. One buzz for a fastball, two for an off-speed pitch. A player in the bullpen then passed the signal to Giants batters by, say, tossing a ball in the air for a breaking pitch, or remaining still, meaning a fastball was coming.
In the bottom of the ninth of the Giants-Dodgers playoff game, backup catcher Sal Yvars was the bullpen signalman. He told The Journal in 2001 he had indicated to hitter Bobby Thomson that Dodgers pitcher Ralph Branca (who later became a dear friend of mine) would be throwing a fastball when Thomson hit the game-winning home run that became known as "the shot heard 'round the world."
When confronted by Journal reporter Joshua Harris Prager in 2001, Thomson waffled about whether he knew what was coming. Yvars and many of his former Giants teammates were not so shy. They had been stealing signs for the last 10 weeks of the season, when the Giants made a miraculous pennant run. The Giants won the pennant, but cheated to do so.
https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2019/11/23/Fay-Vincent-What-the-Houston-Astros-are-accused-of-is-flat-out-cheating/stories/201911230011 |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | For one thing, cheating casts a shadow over one of the most famous moments in all of sports.
In the 1951 National League playoff game between the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers, according to a 2001 Wall Street Journal article in which several Giants players finally came clean, the Giants used a telescope perched in their center-field clubhouse at the Polo Grounds to steal the opposing catcher's signals.
Someone in the Giants' clubhouse, often a coach, would press a buzzer connected to the team's outfield bullpen, which was easily visible to batters facing the pitcher. One buzz for a fastball, two for an off-speed pitch. A player in the bullpen then passed the signal to Giants batters by, say, tossing a ball in the air for a breaking pitch, or remaining still, meaning a fastball was coming.
In the bottom of the ninth of the Giants-Dodgers playoff game, backup catcher Sal Yvars was the bullpen signalman. He told The Journal in 2001 he had indicated to hitter Bobby Thomson that Dodgers pitcher Ralph Branca (who later became a dear friend of mine) would be throwing a fastball when Thomson hit the game-winning home run that became known as "the shot heard 'round the world."
When confronted by Journal reporter Joshua Harris Prager in 2001, Thomson waffled about whether he knew what was coming. Yvars and many of his former Giants teammates were not so shy. They had been stealing signs for the last 10 weeks of the season, when the Giants made a miraculous pennant run. The Giants won the pennant, but cheated to do so.
https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2019/11/23/Fay-Vincent-What-the-Houston-Astros-are-accused-of-is-flat-out-cheating/stories/201911230011 |
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Wow, I had never heard that. That is pretty wild!
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Dodgers News:
| Quote: | Dodgers, White Sox Have Had “Preliminary” Trade Talks On Joc Pederson
For a second consecutive offseason, the White Sox are showing some interest in Dodgers outfielder Joc Pederson, writes USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. Last winter’s talks between the two sides (obviously) didn’t lead to a deal, but the Sox and Dodgers have once again “engaged in preliminary trade talks” surrounding Pederson, per the report.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/dodgers-trade-rumors-joc-pederson-white-sox.html |
| Quote: | Dodgers News: Pitcher Kevin Gausman Linked to LA by MLB Writer
Kevin Gausman is known as a starter but the Reds put him in the bullpen at the end of 2019. He’s a two pitch guy; 95 MPH fastball and a splitter. That’s the same pitch mix as Kirby Yates and it took him a bit to become a great reliever.
As evidenced by his 6.37/3.10 starter/reliever splits, I think Gausman has the potential to play up in the bullpen and I like the fact he uses a splitter.
While he is not the sexiest name on the market per se, something he does have is a good pitch mix and intrigue. Last season, the right-hander had a fantastic 97.4 percent spin efficiency on his fastball, typically a good indicator of success with the pitch. He finished the season with a subpar 5.72 ERA, but his 3.93 FIP points to some bad luck last season. In 2019, the 28-year-old starter turned in an excellent 77th percentile average exit velocity against him, another good mark on his record.
He was once the fourth overall pick in the 2012 MLB Draft and has enjoyed hints of success in recent years.
While Gausman likely would not fit the team well as a starting pitcher, he represents an intriguing proposition for the Dodgers’ front office as a reliever. His fastball velocity ranked in the 67th percentile last season and that could easily jump into the 80th percentile or so if he became a full-time reliever. The intrigue is there and it could be a low-risk, high-reward type move if they could get him to come on a minor league pact.
https://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-news-pitcher-kevin-gausman-linked-to-la-by-mlb-writer/2019/12/03/
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| Quote: | Dodgers: Josh Lindblom Connected to LA by Ken Rosenthal
The Dodgers will be on the hunt for the big fish this offseason, but they very well could find an excellent contingency plan in former Dodger turned KBO star Josh Lindblom. Simply put, there is a lot to like about Lindblom’s approach, arsenal, and body of work overseas. He could be available at a cheaper price than former St. Louis Cardinals import Miles Mikolas and could very well outperform him due to his adherence to analytics.
A number of major-league pitchers have made similar adjustments in recent years, and Lindblom’s improved spin rates and exit velocities make him attractive to teams that rely heavily on analytics (Astros, Dodgers, etc.) as well as teams in dire need of starting pitching (Angels, Blue Jays, etc.)
https://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-josh-lindblom-connected-to-la-by-ken-rosenthal/2019/12/03/ |
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REPORT: YANKEES CONCERNED GERRIT COLE WILL CHOOSE DODGERS OR ANGELS
The New York Yankees are looking to make a major splash in free agency. The defending AL East champs are set to meet with Cy Young runner-up Gerrit Cole in Southern California on Tuesday.
Unfortunately for the Yankees, money might not matter. Jon Heyman of MLB Network is reporting that the team is worried that Cole will choose his Southern California roots over the Big Apple.
https://sportsnaut.com/2019/12/report-yankees-concerned-gerrit-cole-will-choose-dodgers-or-angels/
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| Quote: | Brewers' Josh Hader, Dodgers' Julio Urias make cut for salary arbitration
NEW YORK -- Milwaukee Brewers closer Josh Hader just made the cutoff for salary arbitration eligibility with two years, 115 days of major league service.
Los Angeles Dodgers left-hander Julio Urias also is on the list of 23 so-called Super 2s, with two years, 117 days. The cutoff was down significantly from two years, 134 days last offseason.
The top 22% of players by service time with at least two years but less than three are eligible for arbitration as long as they had at least 86 days of service this year. They join the older group of three- to six-year players.
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| Quote: | Dodgers Non-Tender Yimi Garcia
The Dodgers have non-tendered right-handed reliever Yimi Garcia, Ken Gurnick of MLB.com reports. Garcia had been projected to earn $1.1MM in 2020, his second-last season of arbitration eligibility.
In terms of bottom-line results, 2019 was a strong year for Garcia – which is more than you can say for several other Dodgers relievers. The 29-year-old, a past Tommy John surgery patient, logged a 3.61 ERA with 9.53 K/9 and 2.02 BB/9 over 62 1/3 innings, though those numbers came with a minuscule 29.6 percent groundball rate and a 5.19 FIP/4.90 xFIP.
While Garcia’s 2019 output didn’t impress the Dodgers enough to keep him, it was his best full-season showing since 2015. He’ll now head into free agency as a potentially intriguing option for other clubs.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/dodgers-non-tender-yimi-garcia.html |
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| Would've rather tendered Yimi instead of Alexander and Barnes, who are basically straight garbage. Gausman does sound intriguing as a reliever. I'd have no interest in him as a starter. |
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