ESPN: Luke takes heat from Magic for Lakers' start[Update: Magic "Luke will finish season, unless something drastic happens"]
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject:

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good he got the smackdown. Rondo should not be playing 30mins per night


They signed Rondo, and set the narrative that he’d be amazing for this team.


I think Rondo has been fine....not sure what everyone is basing their poor opinion of him on....the teams offense and defense have been better with Rondo on the court in comparison to Lonzo based on their on/off metrics.


what did you based that off? i can say the same thing about you: your hate for lonzo has made rondo look desirable.

both are just assumptions, which may not be true
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject:

About time. We need to maximize this 3 year window. No more "there's always next year".
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:28 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
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good he got the smackdown. Rondo should not be playing 30mins per night


They signed Rondo, and set the narrative that he’d be amazing for this team.


I think Rondo has been fine....not sure what everyone is basing their poor opinion of him on....the teams offense and defense have been better with Rondo on the court in comparison to Lonzo based on their on/off metrics.


what did you based that off? i can say the same thing about you: your hate for lonzo has made rondo look desirable.

both are just assumptions, which may not be true


I am not even sure what to make of the words you strung together? First, I have always advocated for Ball to start....even at the beginning of the season....so whatever with your lazy "hate Lonzo" shtick. Next, what assumptions am I making? The metrics? You do know that the mere fact that they are metrics disqualifies them as assumptions, right?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/on-off/2019
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/balllo01/on-off/2019
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:30 am    Post subject:

My biggest concern with Luke when he was being considered was that his experience didn't match the team at that time and where it was going to be. He was coming out of GSW with an established system and great players to the exact opposite in the Lakers in rebuild mode.

I don't think that Luke had much experience finding out how to take young players and either build a system around them or fit them into a system. So the issues he's having now aren't that surprising, although not entirely his fault.

The team itself is kind of stuck in the middle with some mismatched pieces between LBJ and the vets and the young guys, which I think makes it even tougher for Luke.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject:

im good with that. Luke has got some terrible lineups. This isnt the East where we can afford 20 games to figure out rotations.

Thats my biggest gripe with him. Rotations and usage of Time/Plays
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject:

Get rid of the "friends" assistants and hire some older, seasoned veteran assistants who have been there and done that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:33 am    Post subject:

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Get rid of the "friends" assistants and hire some older, seasoned veteran assistants who have been there and done that.


I started off saying it with humor....but maybe bringing in a guy like Pitino to he the lead assistant would be a solid idea. The guy knows basketball....but he probably would be trying to steal Luke's job on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:36 am    Post subject:

The scapegoating begins early. I thought we would get to Thanksgiving first.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject:

Jim Boylan is available to be a veteran assistant....

Jim Boylan files age discrimination suit against Cavs
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject:

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The scapegoating begins early. I thought we would get to Thanksgiving first.


I called it last year....Luke will be the FO's first fall guy if or when it appears some decisions were poor. Pelinka would serve as #2 if it came to that....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject:

We need the Zen Master.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject:

There’s holding a coach accountable, and then there’s forcing him to coach for his job when there’s clearly roster issues.

I want Luke to be able to coach through it this year. Firing him would be a mistake.
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If we had a backup center we would have won at least 2 games we lost Magic. It's on you too, get us a back up center. We need a backup center. Magic can you hear me? We need a backup center


Zubac is a backup center Luke has done a terrible job with his development in my opinion

I disagree. Yes, Zubac has been a disappointment but how about Kuzma and Hart? You can't say Luke is responsible for Zubac's disappointment and not giving credit to how Kuzma and Hart performs. I think the problem with Zubac is probably going down to he just doesn't have the physical talent to perform well in the NBA level. He needed to lose weight so he could move quickly to play at our fast pace, which makes him too weak to defend the other centers. I still believes in his soft touches and offensive talent though


Kuzma and Hart were already developed rookies when they entered the NBA, Luke gets some credit in their development, but those guys would’ve been solid rotational players regardless imo. Zubac came into the league at age 19, he’s in year 3 and still younger than those aforementioned players were when entered the nba

Sure but there is a reason why Zubac was drafted on the 32nd. We developed Bynum really well but that had something to do with our front office hired Jabar to mentor him. I don't think anyone would give Phil the credit of developing Bynum into a star player. By the same standard, I have never heard what our front office has done to develop Zubac so why are we blaming Luke for Zubac's failure. The truth is no teams really put a lot of effort of developing 2nd round players. They usually have to work extremely hard themselves to get into the rotations.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject:

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We need the Zen Master.


Phil's time has come and gone.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:
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We need the Zen Master.


Phil's time has come and gone.


Yep
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject:

So what is it to gain by the FO by leaking this news to the media...most esp Woj?

This only creates dissension and distraction IMO. I'm cool with reprimanding Luke / coaching staff but can't go public unless FO is planting seeds.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:46 am    Post subject:

Phil had a mastermind running his offense. Luke has Mermuys.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:47 am    Post subject:

https://mobile.twitter.com/lakerfilmroom/status/1058411161610145793?s=21
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:
matrixskillz wrote:
We need the Zen Master.


Phil's time has come and gone.


so had Daisy Dukes, but they just keep coming back.....and on the right person, I tend to think they are successful each time....

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject:

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If we had a backup center we would have won at least 2 games we lost Magic. It's on you too, get us a back up center. We need a backup center. Magic can you hear me? We need a backup center


Zubac is a backup center Luke has done a terrible job with his development in my opinion

I disagree. Yes, Zubac has been a disappointment but how about Kuzma and Hart? You can't say Luke is responsible for Zubac's disappointment and not giving credit to how Kuzma and Hart performs. I think the problem with Zubac is probably going down to he just doesn't have the physical talent to perform well in the NBA level. He needed to lose weight so he could move quickly to play at our fast pace, which makes him too weak to defend the other centers. I still believes in his soft touches and offensive talent though


Kuzma and Hart were already developed rookies when they entered the NBA, Luke gets some credit in their development, but those guys would’ve been solid rotational players regardless imo. Zubac came into the league at age 19, he’s in year 3 and still younger than those aforementioned players were when entered the nba

Sure but there is a reason why Zubac was drafted on the 32nd. We developed Bynum really well but that had something to do with our front office hired Jabar to mentor him. I don't think anyone would give Phil the credit of developing Bynum into a star player. By the same standard, I have never heard what our front office has done to develop Zubac so why are we blaming Luke for Zubac's failure. The truth is no teams really put a lot of effort of developing 2nd round players. They usually have to work extremely hard themselves to get into the rotations.


Because they 2 different scenarios, Phil was already a championship coach that loves veterans, Luke was brought in to develop a young team. C’mon now
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
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The scapegoating begins early. I thought we would get to Thanksgiving first.


I called it last year....Luke will be the FO's first fall guy if or when it appears some decisions were poor. Pelinka would serve as #2 if it came to that....


Unless you're Popovich, Belichik, Ferguson or someone like them, coach is always the fall guy, in every sport.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject:

Need to fire Luke or force him to bring in a competent assistant coach for offensive and defensive scheming. I really hope that is the main reason Magic yelled at Luke. Our half court offensive efficiency is 30th
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject:

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https://mobile.twitter.com/lakerfilmroom/status/1058411161610145793?s=21



Damn, I do not want Mark Jackson taking over. I'll even take a way past his prime Phil over that lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject:

If the Lakers aren’t being rational about expectations and their roster construction before 10 games into the season, I have doubts they’re going to have a rational replacement in mind. We’ll see. Won’t be happy with a Luke firing
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LandsbergerRules wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/lakerfilmroom/status/1058411161610145793?s=21



Damn, I do not want Mark Jackson taking over. I'll even take a way past his prime Phil over that lol.


Despite the whispers that he is a religious freak, I think he is a big reason why the Warriors are what they are today because of how much he likes teaching players.
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