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activeverb
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | It worked great in the 80’s. |
It's a misconception that Showtime's success was about pace. We ranked 4-12 in pace for the league during the decade. So our success wasn't about relentless running, but a varied attack and having a defense that ranked in the top 10 every year but one. |
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kobe8One
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Our half court offense is ISO ball. Our Run Run offense is jungle ball. Tonight we called a very important timeout, we ended up with Lebron ISO.
Still waiting to see Luke to draw a good play after a timeout. |
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RhodyRay
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else sick of this 'high octane' offense? |
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| george w kush wrote: | | So sick of seeing guys throw full court passes after a rebound which leads to a turnover, or a quick pass from the the sidelines which leads to a turnover. Risky lob attempts, bullet passes for guys who aren't looking, etc.. Like Stephan A said, LeBron is not going to be able to keep up with this pace all season long. Not only that, but while the younger guys have the athleticism to keep up with it, they're too inexperienced to make it all work. These turnovers are momentum killers IMO. |
9 games into the season................................
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Vin
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| WHen we stop running we blow leads like it's nothing. So no I'am not sick of it. |
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wolfpaclaker
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To run a high octane offense well
You need a great point guard
One that can score shoot pass
Lonzo. Rondo. Only passing threats. |
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calistrtballr
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Cant slow it down, we have no one with actual post up skills. I miss the days of having kobe, odom, bynum and pau going to work down low. |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | To run a high octane offense well
You need a great point guard
One that can score shoot pass
Lonzo. Rondo. Only passing threats. |
It looked pretty high octane to me when Playoff Rondo was dominating. Maybe shooters on the wing is the main ingredient.  |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| kobe8One wrote: | Our half court offense is ISO ball. Our Run Run offense is jungle ball. Tonight we called a very important timeout, we ended up with Lebron ISO.
Still waiting to see Luke to draw a good play after a timeout. |
The James ISO to close out a game is exactly what the FO wants. That is what he has done his entire career. Why would you expect it to be any different this year. Or that Walton is somehow to blame?
Going down the stretch it was Lillard/McCollum playing ISO. Same as a close game with the Spurs and Derozan/Aldridge. What "plays" does the Kerr draw up most nights? Pretty much is hand the ball to Curry or KD and get out of the way. That is the NBA. |
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Mike@LG
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HELL NO.
What, like I want the Byron Scott offense?
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danzag
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Our offense is not the problem. We're scoring in bunches.
Our defense is. |
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RJBaca
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| LAL4K3RS wrote: | I see a team that is staying very competitive with teams most likely going to the playoffs and they are doing it in what is year 1 of a brand new roster with very little time to work together. I don't have any problem with them keeping it up tempo, and we have the talent to run the other team into the ground. If we scored under 100 points a game you would all be screaming we have no offense. I think by December most of you will see the value in a team that can move the ball up court quickly. Making a decision right now is a joke. You expect these guys to look like they have played together for a full season or two and cry about losing a few games early this season. I believe a little patients might server you all well. This team just beat Portland. They look improved each and every game. Try to calm down. Enjoy some fast break points for a change.  |
I remember during the 3peat era people complaining about the slow tempo associated with the triangle and, although the Lakers were the dominant force in the NBA his boring that form of basketball was.
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Bard207
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Showtime was also blessed with a huge amount of talent.
When mapping/comparing the current roster versus the Showtime roster, it becomes clear. |
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Killakobe81
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| slavavov wrote: | They need to keep pushing the ball on every possession, but make better decisions, especially with those full court passes. If they start looking to slow it down they will not make the playoffs because they will get away from the one thing they do well.
Does anyone really think the Lakers should become a halfcourt team? |
This. Sometimes guys are to quick to pass even when a teammate is not looking or in to traffic. I really wish Lonzo would seek the ball more he makes great transition decisions but he just doesn't seek control enough, so far. |
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Doc JC
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Can’t compare Showtime....cmon. They had the ALLTIME point scorer at C. When in doubt dump it into Kareem and let him work. That solves many half court issues that this team simply doesn’t have.
Different eras. Showtime era had hand checks which is why you would never see this amount of 3 pt shots. It was just a different time. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| danzag wrote: | Our offense is not the problem. We're scoring in bunches.
Our defense is. |
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lakerican
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Gulp!
I'm loving it! |
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SuperboyReformed
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| Killakobe81 wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | They need to keep pushing the ball on every possession, but make better decisions, especially with those full court passes. If they start looking to slow it down they will not make the playoffs because they will get away from the one thing they do well.
Does anyone really think the Lakers should become a halfcourt team? |
This. Sometimes guys are to quick to pass even when a teammate is not looking or in to traffic. I really wish Lonzo would seek the ball more he makes great transition decisions but he just doesn't seek control enough, so far. |
i think ball is playing hot potato with the ball to avoid shooting free throws. If true, that is a problem. Hopefully, he's playing hot potato because he sees a good pass. |
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saetarubia
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| danzag wrote: | Our offense is not the problem. We're scoring in bunches.
Our defense is. |
And if we improve our defense and get stops, our offense will even improve further as we can push it in transition for more easy buckets. I think Magic sees it too and hence had a go at Luke for our defense. If we can get our defense to league average like last season, we'd be pretty good as I expect our offense to be in top 5.
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PhiberOptik
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In the new NBA, slowing down your offense will result to instant death. We are in the top echelon of high scoring and we need to use that to our advantage. If we can't defend, then might as well out shoot the competition.
Can't run no stinkin triangle offense nowadays, at least fully. Principle of the triangle is still being ran by GS.
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danzag
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| saetarubia wrote: | | danzag wrote: | Our offense is not the problem. We're scoring in bunches.
Our defense is. |
And if we improve our defense and get stops, our offense will even improve further as we can push it in transition for more easy buckets. I think Magic sees it too and hence had a go at Luke for our defense. If we can get our defense to league average like last season, we'd be pretty good as I expect our offense to be in top 5. |
Exactly. See last year, when we had a top 15 defense.
You can only RUN on offense if you get a stop on defense. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | HELL NO.
What, like I want the Byron Scott offense? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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MOE... 
I mean NO
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Harlemlakerfan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Sick of it? We need MORE of it. Our half court offense is like Keystone cops! We need to push it more and faster! |
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Startrout
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I’m sick of us going away from our high speed offense in the last couple minutes of games. Sure, if there’s 8 seconds left give it LeBron and see what he can do, but not with a couple minutes or more. It’s killing us at the end of games. Everyone just stops to watch LeBron and it’s not working. |
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The Juggernaut
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | danzag wrote: | Our offense is not the problem. We're scoring in bunches.
Our defense is. |
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It's both. The halfcourt offense is pathetic and the defensive scheme and communication is very bad. The games we have won have been on pure talent. |
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