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Lonzo-Lite Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:25 pm Post subject: So Easy to Defend this Lakers Team |
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Opposing teams are just packing the paint.
They know our team cannot shoot so they just pack the paint making it congested to drive and just force the Lakers to beat them from the outside by daring them to make a long distance shot. _________________ Tacos |
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CantStopJM Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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I knew we were (bleep) with our shooting when Magic and Pelinka mentioned BI's 3pt% to defend themselves against the critics like BI didn't take 1 3pta a game. |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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The dumbest this front office with Magic has ever done was to sign the best drive and kick player in LeBron, and surround him with non-shooters.
And then Magic defending his signings by saying this is how to beat GSW and this is the next evolution of the league _________________ |
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Chad09 Star Player
Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Posts: 6738 Location: Studio City
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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They just pack the paint because nobody on the team can shoot. Nice! |
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levon Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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The Lakers can shoot it at a not-awful level. They have enough shooting for 18-20th in the league.
The problem is that none of the offense is generating looks. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144432 Location: The Gold Coast
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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That 80’s defensive style _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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DShotMaker1824 Star Player
Joined: 16 Feb 2012 Posts: 8767
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Why are we even talking about offense? _________________
"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
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mhan00 Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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levon wrote: | The Lakers can shoot it at a not-awful level. They have enough shooting for 18-20th in the league.
The problem is that none of the offense is generating looks. |
Goldenthroat pointed out in one of his videos on the offensive sets he saw the Lakers running in preseason that the sets we were running weren’t very good for generating looks from 3. |
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3peat_pete Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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The Raptors played the perfect defense against the Lakers. That's right. Pack the paint.
It was so frustrating to see Ingram, Lance, Rondo, Lebron and Kuzma drive and blow by their defender only to be met in the paint with a very solid interior defense.
They locked that paint area at one point, I thought Valanciunas was already living in the paint. It's like having a nightmare and you can't wake up from it.
Add to that, we can't play defense at all! |
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lakers4life78 Star Player
Joined: 09 Apr 2012 Posts: 1921 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Bigger concern may be garbage defense. But make another offense thread _________________ 17 time World Champions |
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Staccatos Star Player
Joined: 16 Jul 2002 Posts: 2416
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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See Tim Cranjis' twitter feed, he talks a lot about what problems the Lakers are having from the analytical approach (with stats):
https://twitter.com/t1m_nba?lang=en |
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epak Retired Number
Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 34147
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:26 am Post subject: |
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10th in the league with ortg of 110.8.
Imagine if they weren't so easy to defend?
And what does it say about the teams below the Lakers?
They're way easier to defend? |
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pjiddy Retired Number
Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 29017
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Shape of things to come. Is this a playoff team? Even if it is, we get swept 1st round. How do we get better on both sides of the ball when we're cancelling practices to give the old guys more recovery time? |
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HAWAIIGUY27 Star Player
Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 2338 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Fire Brian Keefe. |
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LKA Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Facts. |
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lakerican Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:34 am Post subject: |
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You got to have a proper shooting guard with a quick release in that corner. A couple of times against the Raptors, BI got the ball in the corner and could not take a shot. That's why Lebron is taking those long 3's. Also, I think we didn't make a 3 in that horrible 1st quarter. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Lakers really need to get with the modern game. If you watch other teams, it’s just seamless in terms of drive, kick it out, ball movement and no hesitation shooting.
Toronto put on a clinic not only in LA but also last night in Utah. All these top echelon type teams GSW, Boston, Toronto, Houston, Nuggets, etc. they simply do not hesitate and they make the shots.
The pacers last night didn’t play a bad game, they were pretty good actually...but Houston kept drilling those 3s. Utah had no chance against the Raptors.
At a minimum, 4 out of the 5 guys on the floor have to be able to shoot it or at least be a threat. Just how it is right now. For some teams, all 5 guys are capable. You cannot hesitate and you have to make your fair share. Otherwise getting Ws is tough and requires an insane amount of energy trying to execute on 2s to compensate for inability to shoot and make 3s. |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:43 am Post subject: |
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We’re 10th in offensive rating and 3rd in ppg.... clearly not that easy. It’s easy to score on us not stop us from scoring.
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Dr. Laker Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Best way to get open looks on O is to get stops on D and push the ball. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:28 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | Lakers really need to get with the modern game. If you watch other teams, it’s just seamless in terms of drive, kick it out, ball movement and no hesitation shooting.
Toronto put on a clinic not only in LA but also last night in Utah. All these top echelon type teams GSW, Boston, Toronto, Houston, Nuggets, etc. they simply do not hesitate and they make the shots.
The pacers last night didn’t play a bad game, they were pretty good actually...but Houston kept drilling those 3s. Utah had no chance against the Raptors.
At a minimum, 4 out of the 5 guys on the floor have to be able to shoot it or at least be a threat. Just how it is right now. For some teams, all 5 guys are capable. You cannot hesitate and you have to make your fair share. Otherwise getting Ws is tough and requires an insane amount of energy trying to execute on 2s to compensate for inability to shoot and make 3s. |
We are playing to our strengths offensively. We don't have a lot of shooters, so running and attacking the paint are our best options. The biggest issue offensively is that we aren't being rewarded with free throws proportionally with the rate we're attacking the paint. You just have to hope that it'll eventually balance itself out over the course of an 82-game season.
Offense isn't really the issue with this team. It's the soft defense. |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
Joined: 01 Sep 2012 Posts: 7239
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Lakers really need to get with the modern game. If you watch other teams, it’s just seamless in terms of drive, kick it out, ball movement and no hesitation shooting.
Toronto put on a clinic not only in LA but also last night in Utah. All these top echelon type teams GSW, Boston, Toronto, Houston, Nuggets, etc. they simply do not hesitate and they make the shots.
The pacers last night didn’t play a bad game, they were pretty good actually...but Houston kept drilling those 3s. Utah had no chance against the Raptors.
At a minimum, 4 out of the 5 guys on the floor have to be able to shoot it or at least be a threat. Just how it is right now. For some teams, all 5 guys are capable. You cannot hesitate and you have to make your fair share. Otherwise getting Ws is tough and requires an insane amount of energy trying to execute on 2s to compensate for inability to shoot and make 3s. |
We are playing to our strengths offensively. We don't have a lot of shooters, so running and attacking the paint are our best options. The biggest issue offensively is that we aren't being rewarded with free throws proportionally with the rate we're attacking the paint. You just have to hope that it'll eventually balance itself out over the course of an 82-game season.
Offense isn't really the issue with this team. It's the soft defense. |
I agree, it's also probably because there are so many opposing players packing the paint with all their hands up and about that the refs can't clearly see where the foul is and just swallows the whistle. _________________ |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
Joined: 10 Nov 2016 Posts: 23731
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Lakers really need to get with the modern game. If you watch other teams, it’s just seamless in terms of drive, kick it out, ball movement and no hesitation shooting.
Toronto put on a clinic not only in LA but also last night in Utah. All these top echelon type teams GSW, Boston, Toronto, Houston, Nuggets, etc. they simply do not hesitate and they make the shots.
The pacers last night didn’t play a bad game, they were pretty good actually...but Houston kept drilling those 3s. Utah had no chance against the Raptors.
At a minimum, 4 out of the 5 guys on the floor have to be able to shoot it or at least be a threat. Just how it is right now. For some teams, all 5 guys are capable. You cannot hesitate and you have to make your fair share. Otherwise getting Ws is tough and requires an insane amount of energy trying to execute on 2s to compensate for inability to shoot and make 3s. |
We are playing to our strengths offensively. We don't have a lot of shooters, so running and attacking the paint are our best options. The biggest issue offensively is that we aren't being rewarded with free throws proportionally with the rate we're attacking the paint. You just have to hope that it'll eventually balance itself out over the course of an 82-game season.
Offense isn't really the issue with this team. It's the soft defense. |
Agree and it’s smart to play to strengths, but that’s what I mean by catching up to the modern game. The Lakers expend so much energy just scoring in the paint and struggling to make inefficient shots. You have to be able to take and make 3s.
Defense is the biggest issue, but shooting remains a problem. If they become better at taking and making 3s, they can use some of that saved energy for defensive stops. |
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Threatt_Level Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:44 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | If they become better at taking and making 3s, they can use some of that saved energy for defensive stops. |
This. The Lakers score, but it never looks easy. Our defense isn't generating the transition buckets that were supposed to be a crucial part of our offensive strategy. When we're in the halfcourt, it looks like we're exerting an enormous amount of effort just to get a bucket. It seriously looks like we're going to burn LeBron out. |
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SuperboyReformed Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | Lakers really need to get with the modern game. If you watch other teams, it’s just seamless in terms of drive, kick it out, ball movement and no hesitation shooting.
Toronto put on a clinic not only in LA but also last night in Utah. All these top echelon type teams GSW, Boston, Toronto, Houston, Nuggets, etc. they simply do not hesitate and they make the shots.
The pacers last night didn’t play a bad game, they were pretty good actually...but Houston kept drilling those 3s. Utah had no chance against the Raptors.
At a minimum, 4 out of the 5 guys on the floor have to be able to shoot it or at least be a threat. Just how it is right now. For some teams, all 5 guys are capable. You cannot hesitate and you have to make your fair share. Otherwise getting Ws is tough and requires an insane amount of energy trying to execute on 2s to compensate for inability to shoot and make 3s. |
this is probably close to the most accurate description ive seen here lately.
I mean, the only thing I can't tell is if the fans are expecting simply a good/fun team, or a championship team? The way I hear the optimism and borderline delusionalism, it sounds like we are simply hoping for a good or fun team. But that's not normal for Laker fans, who typically are ring or bust types (and the only franchise accustomed for such mindsets based in reality). So if that's the case, we are waaaaaay off.
We have a team that is terrible at scoring anything BUT the simplest shots, lebron included. None of this is going to be fixed without different personnel. You don't quickly improve that part of the game. We're going to continue bricking our fts, and our long distance shots. We'll have a good streak now and then, but we will have equal amount of bad streaks (aka Ibaka). Our star, unfortunately, cannot deliver. He just can't, never has, never will. That's not who he is. He is very popular, he's going to get us a lot of calls and hopefully attract some other stars, but he will NOT deliver on the court. He never has! It's 9 times out of 10 someone else...ray allen, wade, bosh, kyrie. love, haslem, its always someone else doing the good stuff.
But he does bring some special kind of stability because of his persona and bossy-ness. It's stupid, but it works in the NBA for him very well. We're stuck with him for a while, its best to get some talent (real talent) here asap. And by talent, I mean scoring talent. No more friggin rebounders, or passers, or "good attitudes"...just scoring talent. |
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The Juggernaut Star Player
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Staccatos wrote: | See Tim Cranjis' twitter feed, he talks a lot about what problems the Lakers are having from the analytical approach (with stats):
https://twitter.com/t1m_nba?lang=en |
The good thing is that reports today saying Magic unhappy with Luke's offense, defense and ASSistant coaches |
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