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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject:

Kuz is the 2nd best player on this team. However we need a better 2nd best player to pair with Lebron. Kuz has the potential to be a 3rd best player on a contender.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:59 am    Post subject:

32 wrote:
Kuz is the 2nd best player on this team. However we need a better 2nd best player to pair with Lebron. Kuz has the potential to be a 3rd best player on a contender.


Don't disagree with your post one bit but it's a bit eye-opening how far Ingram has fallen. Kinda sad.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
32 wrote:
Kuz is the 2nd best player on this team. However we need a better 2nd best player to pair with Lebron. Kuz has the potential to be a 3rd best player on a contender.


Don't disagree with your post one bit but it's a bit eye-opening how far Ingram has fallen. Kinda sad.


I don't think he's fallen much.
Plus he's got the age factor versus Kuz.
BI is further from his final product than Kuz is imo.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:05 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
32 wrote:
Kuz is the 2nd best player on this team. However we need a better 2nd best player to pair with Lebron. Kuz has the potential to be a 3rd best player on a contender.


Don't disagree with your post one bit but it's a bit eye-opening how far Ingram has fallen. Kinda sad.


I don't think he's fallen much.
Plus he's got the age factor versus Kuz.
BI is further from his final product than Kuz is imo.


He was the incumbent #2.

Now we want him off the bench. In 25-30 games. That’s fallen quite a bit.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:12 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
epak wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
32 wrote:
Kuz is the 2nd best player on this team. However we need a better 2nd best player to pair with Lebron. Kuz has the potential to be a 3rd best player on a contender.


Don't disagree with your post one bit but it's a bit eye-opening how far Ingram has fallen. Kinda sad.


I don't think he's fallen much.
Plus he's got the age factor versus Kuz.
BI is further from his final product than Kuz is imo.


He was the incumbent #2.

Now we want him off the bench. In 25-30 games. That’s fallen quite a bit.


Oh you mean fallen in terms of expectations?
Then yea, I agree. But I think people's expectations were too high, especially for the start of the season.
And again, BI is far from a finished product.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:56 pm    Post subject:

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Code:

PER    WS    WS/48    +/-
13.9   1.1   0.074   -1.880  Kyle Kuzma
12.7   1.2   0.106   +0.061  Josh Hart
11.4   0.3   0.021   -2.740  Brandon Ingram
11.4   0.1   0.067   -0.060  Ivica Zubac
11.0   0.7   0.054   -0.096  Lonzo Ball


To be fair to Kuzma with his recent improved play:
Code:

PER    WS    WS/48    +/-
16.0   1.9   0.106   -0.990  Kyle Kuzma

One more look at Kuzma.
Code:
PER    WS   WS/48    +/-
15.9   2.0  .098    -0.22


The dramatic positive change for Kuzma +/- is a perfect example of why +/- has little value without sufficient data. Exactly what is sufficient is another question, but even a single season might not be representative.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject:

If Kuz is the 2nd best, it's pretty sad after watching the Nets take turns singling out Kuzma and going at him all game.

He needs to spend 95% of his practice / training on defense.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:32 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
epak wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
32 wrote:
Kuz is the 2nd best player on this team. However we need a better 2nd best player to pair with Lebron. Kuz has the potential to be a 3rd best player on a contender.


Don't disagree with your post one bit but it's a bit eye-opening how far Ingram has fallen. Kinda sad.


I don't think he's fallen much.
Plus he's got the age factor versus Kuz.
BI is further from his final product than Kuz is imo.


He was the incumbent #2.

Now we want him off the bench. In 25-30 games. That’s fallen quite a bit.


Oh you mean fallen in terms of expectations?
Then yea, I agree. But I think people's expectations were too high, especially for the start of the season.
And again, BI is far from a finished product.


Yeah, I meant expectations. His play has been largely the same. Haven’t seen any quantum leaps in his game just yet.

BI isn’t a finished product yet, but I don’t know about being “far” from one. He’s got 1.5 seasons, then he’s effectively a finished good.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:52 pm    Post subject:

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Every team has a second best player, even the Suns.


I just checked.

The Suns are the only team WITHOUT a second best player.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject:

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I actually think Randle has emerged as a pretty solid #2 guy... Well, for the Pelicans at least.


IF Jules is your 2nd best player you dont make the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject:

The God Particle wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Every team has a second best player, even the Suns.


I just checked.

The Suns are the only team WITHOUT a second best player.



The Suns are young but Warren 44% from 3 pt land (this season) and Ayton could be interesting behind Booker, if Booker stays healthy...we'll see.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:21 pm    Post subject:

Ayton is definitely the Suns 2nd best player behind Booker.

Kuz is 100% our 2nd best player. Our 3rd best is Javale McGee. His absence the last 2 games is the main reason we lost. Dude's impact on both ends is immense for our team.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:46 pm    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
Ayton is definitely the Suns 2nd best player behind Booker.

Kuz is 100% our 2nd best player. Our 3rd best is Javale McGee. His absence the last 2 games is the main reason we lost. Dude's impact on both ends is immense for our team.


McGee is our 2nd best player. That is a huge problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject:

this thread has NOTHING to do with faces


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:07 pm    Post subject:

still bi cause you also have to play defense in the nba. Also he's 2 years younger thsn kuzma, im pretty sure he'll be the better player in the long run
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Face Facts:there is no "2nd best player" on the team.

Dr. Laker wrote:
Those of us who predicted a deep playoff run with this team did so with the expectation that one of our "young core" players would make a leap playing next to LBJ and have a breakout season.


Sounds like alot of unrealistic expectations here.

First, there was an "expectation" that one of the young core would have a "breakout season." Remember, there's only 4 of them. 3 of them were rookies last year. One of them was "expected" to breakout.

Dr. Laker wrote:
ALL of these guys have the capacity to improve - but we have to be realistic as to what their ceilings are. Kuz & Hart are 23 & (nearly) 24 - most players have defined their destinies by 24/25. Ball & Ingram have a little more time, but neither has shown superstar upside thus far.


Then, 31 games into the season - the conclusion is that, none of them broke out this year. So, pretty much, the expectation was that one of them would breakout this year and they had 31 games to show it.

Also, here, he talks about how Kuz & Hart are 23 & 24. Didn't he realize this before the season started? Well, before the season started, he was expecting a breakout season. 31 games into the season, now he realizes, man, they're already 23 & 24 years old.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:25 am    Post subject:

Right now Kuz and Ingram share the 2nd scorer’s role. One for volume and one for breaking the defense. But they’re still not ready yet. We need a better one, a more skilled and consistent scorer.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:52 am    Post subject:

Who was Boston's 2nd best player last year in the playoffs? I would argue that Jeff Green was the 2nd best player last year for the Cavs in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:08 am    Post subject:

The premise here is flawed. If everyone on the team fits well and plays at a high level, second best player varies from night to night. Which is how a team that shares the ball looks like. I think this is why we can sustain a high pace game. If everyone steps up together, no matter how small the steps are, it makes us a better TEAM long term, with less stress for each player.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:15 am    Post subject:

Kuz taking on the mantle
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:50 am    Post subject:

€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
The premise here is flawed. If everyone on the team fits well and plays at a high level, second best player varies from night to night. Which is how a team that shares the ball looks like. I think this is why we can sustain a high pace game. If everyone steps up together, no matter how small the steps are, it makes us a better TEAM long term, with less stress for each player.


If the second best player varies from night to night, then that's not by design but out of necessity. There's a reason we're going after a #2 in free agency.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
32 wrote:
Kuz is the 2nd best player on this team. However we need a better 2nd best player to pair with Lebron. Kuz has the potential to be a 3rd best player on a contender.


Don't disagree with your post one bit but it's a bit eye-opening how far Ingram has fallen. Kinda sad.


It's all about CONFIDENCE and Kuz is way more fearless than BI. That confidence allows his talent and ability to just flow naturally into the game, while BI often seems tentative, which leads to indecision and mistakes...!
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