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BigBoi
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| ringfinger wrote: | | matrixskillz wrote: | | Why is this even a question? |
Scroll up.
Ingram has already said he won’t come off the bench. |
This is a false misrepresentation of what Ingram said 2 months ago when he was coming back from suspension. It has nothing to do with his current circumstance of him being injured or whether his starting position is in jeopardy at the moment but carry on |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBoi wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | matrixskillz wrote: | | Why is this even a question? |
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Ingram has already said he won’t come off the bench. |
This is a false misrepresentation of what Ingram said 2 months ago when he was coming back from suspension. It has nothing to do with his current circumstance of him being injured or whether his starting position is in jeopardy at the moment but carry on |
What happened that makes you think he has reversed his position on the matter? |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Glad I don’t have to make the decision 
IF Brandon embraced coming off the bench that’s my vote. If he doesn’t, his value tanks. He could increase his value if he killed it off the bench weirdly enough but it’s a gamble. It’s a hard move to ‘undo’ though so I’m a little wary.
I’ve seen the lineup data but LAL still played well with good defense with him with the starters. I’d keep him with them for as long as Brandon’s a Laker.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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I voted for Hart, with the caveat that Bi gets more minutes. BI leading the second unit just sounds right for me
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Vottomatic
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| On offense HArt is the better fit but defensively Ingram is a lot better. I get frustrated seeing players go off on HArt sometimes. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | "We're winning with Hart"
Were we not winning with BI? |
I don't think OP is talking about overall talent, which is why BI was #2 and Hart #30.
If we're discussing "fit," then there are arguments in favor of Hart.
In focusing on fit, it's a holistic view. |
Ingram is the better fit defensively
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Nash Vegas
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Reiterating but Ingram coming off the bench is not going to happen at least not anytime soon. Just a month ago Ingram already said:
| Quote: | Brandon Ingram: 'I'm Not Coming off the Bench'
Los Angeles Lakers forward Brandon Ingram wasn't shy about discussing the role he expects to play for the team as he comes off his four-game suspension.
"I'm not coming off the bench," Ingram said ahead of Monday's game. "I don't know the lineup, but I know I'll be in it.”
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Imagine if Lonzo came out and said “I’m not coming off the bench for Rondo.”
Kuzma, Hart, Lonzo accepted their bench roles for the team’s benefit. Ingram should too if it comes to the team.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Reiterating but Ingram coming off the bench is not going to happen at least not anytime soon. Just a month ago Ingram already said:
| Quote: | Brandon Ingram: 'I'm Not Coming off the Bench'
Los Angeles Lakers forward Brandon Ingram wasn't shy about discussing the role he expects to play for the team as he comes off his four-game suspension.
"I'm not coming off the bench," Ingram said ahead of Monday's game. "I don't know the lineup, but I know I'll be in it.”
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Imagine if Lonzo came out and said “I’m not coming off the bench for Rondo.”
Kuzma, Hart, Lonzo accepted their bench roles for the team’s benefit. Ingram should too if it comes to the team. |
Oh god LG would be a warzone |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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May need to add a third option if this Ariza trade goes through. He's been a starter for the last five years.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Reiterating but Ingram coming off the bench is not going to happen at least not anytime soon. Just a month ago Ingram already said:
| Quote: | Brandon Ingram: 'I'm Not Coming off the Bench'
Los Angeles Lakers forward Brandon Ingram wasn't shy about discussing the role he expects to play for the team as he comes off his four-game suspension.
"I'm not coming off the bench," Ingram said ahead of Monday's game. "I don't know the lineup, but I know I'll be in it.”
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Imagine if Lonzo came out and said “I’m not coming off the bench for Rondo.”
Kuzma, Hart, Lonzo accepted their bench roles for the team’s benefit. Ingram should too if it comes to the team. |
I'm thinking BI knows both Magic and Luke have his back 100% and will support him having a starting spot over Hart under almost any circumstance.
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Super Mega Team
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | "We're winning with Hart"
Were we not winning with BI? |
I don't think OP is talking about overall talent, which is why BI was #2 and Hart #30.
If we're discussing "fit," then there are arguments in favor of Hart.
In focusing on fit, it's a holistic view. |
Ingram is the better fit defensively |
Hart is better fit offensively.
Hart is less of a ball stopper and less turnover prone. When you put the ball in the basket and don't turnover the ball, the defense is in a better position to defend. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| OC Lakerfan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | "We're winning with Hart"
Were we not winning with BI? |
I don't think OP is talking about overall talent, which is why BI was #2 and Hart #30.
If we're discussing "fit," then there are arguments in favor of Hart.
In focusing on fit, it's a holistic view. |
Ingram is the better fit defensively |
Hart is better fit offensively.
Hart is less of a ball stopper and less turnover prone. When you put the ball in the basket and don't turnover the ball, the defense is in a better position to defend. |
And the starting lineup has been better defensively with Hart in place of Ingram, at least in terms of Defensive Rating. |
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PengShow
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Hart also fits better with the first unit, BI can and should run the second unit. Whatever talent he may have is better utilized coming of the bench. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | CantStopJM wrote: | "We're winning with Hart"
Were we not winning with BI? |
I don't think OP is talking about overall talent, which is why BI was #2 and Hart #30.
If we're discussing "fit," then there are arguments in favor of Hart.
In focusing on fit, it's a holistic view. |
Ingram is the better fit defensively |
The starting lineup is better defensively with Hart.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | Reiterating but Ingram coming off the bench is not going to happen at least not anytime soon. Just a month ago Ingram already said:
| Quote: | Brandon Ingram: 'I'm Not Coming off the Bench'
Los Angeles Lakers forward Brandon Ingram wasn't shy about discussing the role he expects to play for the team as he comes off his four-game suspension.
"I'm not coming off the bench," Ingram said ahead of Monday's game. "I don't know the lineup, but I know I'll be in it.”
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are we sure this wasn't just a factual answer? i.e., he wasn't actually asserting anything he was just stating that he would be starting that night because luke told him he would be or something like that
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Hart looks better for the TEAM on both defense and offense
Ingram may have more potential and may be better individually but Hart seems better for the team as a starter |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | matrixskillz wrote: | | Why is this even a question? |
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Ingram has already said he won’t come off the bench. |
But it's not his choice.
However, don't think it will happen b/c:
1. institutionally, he's still considered a #2 pick until he signs an extension.
2. the FO has really hyped BI up, and retracting from that to them is would mean being humbled in their assessment.
3. there are trade value questions. What happens if BI doesn't adapt or take his new role well? |
it's all about #3. Magic and Rob know he's their best trading chip and unlike Kuzma and Hart who have come in and totally exceeded expectations and look ready to be players on a championship team today, BI has not quite shown that just yet. He's shown potential stardom but when you consider fit and time top get to his peak, BI's trade value is the most important aspect as we approach the summer of an AD trade. |
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lakersfan8
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Ingram of course. Magic already said we want to reduce LBJ’s usage. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's not kid ourselves into thinking Hart is a starting level player. You can't be that bad defensively unless you are a serious offensive talent. That said, if I had to pick one, Hart is a much better fit with the starting unit. Ideally we can find a trading partner for BI, if he has that much of an issue with coming off the pine. Maybe throw him into the Anthony Davis package lol |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The poll says Hart by a landslide .. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | I anticipate this thread turning into a civil, fact based, even tempered debate. |
I anticipated this. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| LKA wrote: | | The poll says Hart by a landslide .. |
I'm proud of LG. |
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PauPau
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | Ingram of course. Magic already said we want to reduce LBJ’s usage. |
There's a part he left out that's supposed to go without saying - ."..however, not to the teams deteriment.." |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Hart, for sure. Ingram is too ball dominant when he's in there, and Hart is by far the better 3-point shooter. I also think he's a better defender, particularly on guards. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Whoever Lebron wants |
Napier. |
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