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if Anthony Davis wants to be a Laker. What does Ainge do if Rich Paul tells him he won't resign with Boston.
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| 32 wrote: | | if Anthony Davis wants to be a Laker. What does Ainge do if Rich Paul tells him he won't resign with Boston. |
they can always roll the dice like OKC with PG |
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| governator wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | if Anthony Davis wants to be a Laker. What does Ainge do if Rich Paul tells him he won't resign with Boston. |
they can always roll the dice like OKC with PG |
You don’t see where the difference is in ‘rolling the dice’ with dumping underachieving (at the time of the trade) Oladipo and Tatum++++kind of ‘rolling the dice’?
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| governator wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | if Anthony Davis wants to be a Laker. What does Ainge do if Rich Paul tells him he won't resign with Boston. |
they can always roll the dice like OKC with PG |
Olidpo isn't rolling the dice. That's low risk high reward. Boston will have to come up with a lot more assets, draft picks and young players. Ainge would fired if he walks to play for the Lakers.
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| So a Trade deadline deal this year is off the table? |
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| That was a good read Eric. |
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Great job, Eric.  |
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Try and work a deal that doesn't include Lonzo. Pelicans don't need him anyhow.
The Lakers only avenue is to trade for Davis. There's no chance they'll kick it down the road and drop all their rookies to keep space open.
Hayward as a piece is laughable. $60M+ paid for 1 year of subpar 10 ppg. And I doubt Boston trades Tatum. The other Boston assets don't look that good frankly.
In any case, New Orleans doesn't want to make any deal because in every one they lose. However we've seen every star player that wants out (Kyrie, PG, Kawhi, Butler) all get dealt eventually but only after they make it clear they want out. If Davis does this, I don't see it happening during the season as Davis wants to "focus on basketball".
During the off-season, Lakers will have a very tight window to operate in. They are laying the groundwork now.
The only way I see this being different is if the Pelicans are so bad between now and the deadline and so far out of the playoffs picture that Davis decides he can't wait and demands to exit immediately. Extremely unlikely. |
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Emplay, GREAT, GREAT Article, I love how you break down the salary numbers.
Perhaps in a future article, you could address in more detail how the Lakers could add AD and another big star (including the trading of the young core)..
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| If you can trade for Davis this year and keep Hart, Kuz and Bron it is a no brainer. I don’t care who else it takes, you offer any of our players and a couple of future first round picks. |
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| Kinda cool it's also LeBron v Kyrie. Who does Davis want to play with more essentially, the elder statesman who shows him the ropes before handing over the reigns, or they young gunslinger. I would submit the former is a better arrangement for career arc purposes (see Bryant, Kobe). |
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If Davis is dead set on playing for the Lakers then his agent will get him here one way or another. Either it will be via trade or as a free agent.
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Good stuff Eric.
Exciting times. |
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| unleasHell wrote: | Emplay, GREAT, GREAT Article, I love how you break down the salary numbers.
Perhaps in a future article, you could address in more detail how the Lakers could add AD and another big star (including the trading of the young core).. |
Only chance is to sign the FA first, then trade for AD will keeping enough capspace to make the salaries work. |
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Lakers don't need to include Lonzo in an AD deal per se - but if they ALSO want to sign a max player they pretty much have to trade Lonzo and Ingram to match salaries while opening up enough space to get that max guy. Difficult - nothing impossible mind you, players can always take less than max
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| emplay wrote: | | Lakers don't need to include Lonzo in an AD deal per se - but if they ALSO want to sign a max player they pretty much have to trade Lonzo and Ingram to match salaries while opening up enough space to get that max guy. Difficult - nothing impossible mind you, players can always take less than max |
So, hypothetically, if we only had Bron, Hart, Kuz and AD on the roster this summer how much cap space would we have? |
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| Thanks Eric! |
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| rock0100 wrote: | | emplay wrote: | | Lakers don't need to include Lonzo in an AD deal per se - but if they ALSO want to sign a max player they pretty much have to trade Lonzo and Ingram to match salaries while opening up enough space to get that max guy. Difficult - nothing impossible mind you, players can always take less than max |
So, hypothetically, if we only had Bron, Hart, Kuz and AD on the roster this summer how much cap space would we have? |
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You would need to sign a FA (Kawhi) first and then trade for AD. I think you could potentially keep Zo because we would have 9.5 million in capspace so only have to come up with about 12 million in salaries. |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | rock0100 wrote: | | emplay wrote: | | Lakers don't need to include Lonzo in an AD deal per se - but if they ALSO want to sign a max player they pretty much have to trade Lonzo and Ingram to match salaries while opening up enough space to get that max guy. Difficult - nothing impossible mind you, players can always take less than max |
So, hypothetically, if we only had Bron, Hart, Kuz and AD on the roster this summer how much cap space would we have? |
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You would need to sign a FA (Kawhi) first and then trade for AD. I think you could potentially keep Zo because we would have 9.5 million in capspace so only have to come up with about 12 million in salaries. |
Timing is everything. As emplay says, commitment from somebody like Kawhi might change the dynamic.
From the Pelicans' perspective, if they come to the same conclusion that a trade is inevitable, when is the best timing for them?
To trade for AD without using cap space, the Lakers need to send out roughly 18M, right? I don't see how they can do it without both Ball and Ingram in the package. Maybe a three-way to get something the Pelicans prefer, but Ball and Ingram are gone. |
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| We do have some capspace left over unless we sign KD. |
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I'll never understand NBA money, what is and what isn't important. $4.1 million trade kicker seems to be our advantage, but in a world where teams are throwing money left and right, overpaying left and right... it's odd to think $4.1 million really matters? And even a quote from an executive saying they will never eat this money.
"There's no way they're paying that trade kicker," a Western Conference executive said. "None." |
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| 32 wrote: | | If Davis is dead set on playing for the Lakers then his agent will get him here one way or another. Either it will be via trade or as a free agent. |
Is free agency possible? That would mean the Lakers punt their 2019 plan to the 2020 plan. Do they have the patience to do that?
That's 2 years of LeBron James wasted. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | If Davis is dead set on playing for the Lakers then his agent will get him here one way or another. Either it will be via trade or as a free agent. |
Is free agency possible? That would mean the Lakers punt their 2019 plan to the 2020 plan. Do they have the patience to do that?
That's 2 years of LeBron James wasted. |
I don't know. I think they need to get a superstar hopefully before AD hits free agency.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Very informative, thank you Eric. |
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