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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:52 pm    Post subject:

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2-You think Magic, the ultimate nice guy is going to publicly state he had a better career than Kobe?


If he felt that he was better than Kobe he simply wouldn't answer the question, or he'd give a 50/50 answer. But he unquestionably calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, and he is also the one that puts it out there. You're refusing to accept that because you don't want to, and thus are trying to push those thoughts on Magic, when his are the opposite.

Magic would give up that mantle to just anyone.

Let's make something clear. When Magic calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, he's not doing it "just to be nice". That's an insult to both Magic and Kobe to say that.

You ever heard Magic say "I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me."

Magic was a 'nice guy' but he was also the ultimate competitor. He isn't saying "Kobe is the greatest Laker ever." to be nice. That's like trying to say him saying that Jordan was better than him was 'to just be nice'.

As far as your 'first point' goes, that's pretty much the same anti-Kobe rhetoric that's been debunked 200,000 times over against trolls that tried saying the same thing for attention. "Kobe was the help." at that point there's no point in even discussing any point in that paragraph, or Kobe in general.


But in a nutshell. Yes, Kobe is the greatest Laker ever. Yes, Magic admits he is, says he is unquestionably, and puts that out there that he feels Kobe is the greatest Laker ever, of his own accord. If you can't accept that its because you can't, not because Magic doesn't.
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george w kush wrote:
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george w kush wrote:
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@ Lebron not being a top 5 player of all time. And anyone who included Kobe in their top 5 is nothing more than a Laker homer. Never seen anyone that isn't a Lakers fan include him in their top 5.

BTW no I don't think LeBron is the GOAT, but if he wins a ring here he is right there with MJ. If we wins a 2nd one the conversation is over.


kush vs Darth and MJST is pretty entertaining stuff.


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Do you and the rest of the anti-Kobe brigade look forward to being 40+ years old and still scrambling like roaches to shout down anonymous strangers on a message board who express any opinion that Kobe might be the GOAT?

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-time-kobe-bryant-no-5/


No I have no plans on doing so, but you on the other hand can continue to keep Googling 'is Kobe top 5' and posting some random link in a pathetic attempt to support your idol Kobe.

What's next from you, a quote from Samaki Walker you found on Google on why Samaki thinks Kobe is better?


Typical deflection when your statement is proven wrong. Yeah. Slam Magazine is some "random" link...

I wonder what kind of lists YOU look at that lead you to the belief that "NO ONE EXCEPT LAKER HOMERS HAS KOBE IN THEIR TOP 5"
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Batguano wrote:
george w kush wrote:
Batguano wrote:
george w kush wrote:
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george w kush wrote:
@ Lebron not being a top 5 player of all time. And anyone who included Kobe in their top 5 is nothing more than a Laker homer. Never seen anyone that isn't a Lakers fan include him in their top 5.

BTW no I don't think LeBron is the GOAT, but if he wins a ring here he is right there with MJ. If we wins a 2nd one the conversation is over.


kush vs Darth and MJST is pretty entertaining stuff.


I've got no plans this weekend, ready for this


Do you and the rest of the anti-Kobe brigade look forward to being 40+ years old and still scrambling like roaches to shout down anonymous strangers on a message board who express any opinion that Kobe might be the GOAT?

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-time-kobe-bryant-no-5/


No I have no plans on doing so, but you on the other hand can continue to keep Googling 'is Kobe top 5' and posting some random link in a pathetic attempt to support your idol Kobe.

What's next from you, a quote from Samaki Walker you found on Google on why Samaki thinks Kobe is better?


Typical deflection when your statement is proven wrong. Yeah. Slam Magazine is some "random" link...

I wonder what kind of lists YOU look at that lead you to the belief that "NO ONE EXCEPT LAKER HOMERS HAS KOBE IN THEIR TOP 5"


just you wait till he posts Shannon Sharpes list where Kobe is 10th. that will really show you!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject:

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2-You think Magic, the ultimate nice guy is going to publicly state he had a better career than Kobe?


If he felt that he was better than Kobe he simply wouldn't answer the question, or he'd give a 50/50 answer. But he unquestionably calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, and he is also the one that puts it out there. You're refusing to accept that because you don't want to, and thus are trying to push those thoughts on Magic, when his are the opposite.

Magic would give up that mantle to just anyone.

Let's make something clear. When Magic calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, he's not doing it "just to be nice". That's an insult to both Magic and Kobe to say that.

You ever heard Magic say "I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me."

Magic was a 'nice guy' but he was also the ultimate competitor. He isn't saying "Kobe is the greatest Laker ever." to be nice. That's like trying to say him saying that Jordan was better than him was 'to just be nice'.



No I never heard Magic say 'I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me' because:

1)Everyone knows Magic had a better career then both of them.

2)No one is stupid enough to answer that question in the first place.


Magic is just a nice guy that wants to get along with everyone. The same guy who think Lonzo is the next version of himself and Ingram is the next Scottie Pippen. There is no incentive for him to stir the pot and claim is the greatest Laker.

You judge these players based on their accomplishments with the franchise and the reality is Magic led his teams to 5 rings and Kobe led his to 2.
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george w kush wrote:
MJST wrote:
george w kush wrote:

2-You think Magic, the ultimate nice guy is going to publicly state he had a better career than Kobe?


If he felt that he was better than Kobe he simply wouldn't answer the question, or he'd give a 50/50 answer. But he unquestionably calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, and he is also the one that puts it out there. You're refusing to accept that because you don't want to, and thus are trying to push those thoughts on Magic, when his are the opposite.

Magic would give up that mantle to just anyone.

Let's make something clear. When Magic calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, he's not doing it "just to be nice". That's an insult to both Magic and Kobe to say that.

You ever heard Magic say "I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me."

Magic was a 'nice guy' but he was also the ultimate competitor. He isn't saying "Kobe is the greatest Laker ever." to be nice. That's like trying to say him saying that Jordan was better than him was 'to just be nice'.



No I never heard Magic say 'I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me' because:

1)Everyone knows Magic had a better career then both of them.

2)No one is stupid enough to answer that question in the first place.


Magic is just a nice guy that wants to get along with everyone. The same guy who think Lonzo is the next version of himself and Ingram is the next Scottie Pippen. There is no incentive for him to stir the pot and claim is the greatest Laker.

You judge these players based on their accomplishments with the franchise and the reality is Magic led his teams to 5 rings and Kobe led his to 2.


according to your own logic, Magic led the Lakers to only 3 rings
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject:

To be fair, Kobe did say this in that article that put him in the Top 5 (although Lebron and Magic are ranked ahead of him on that list):
“I would never put myself in the [all-time] starting five ever,” Kobe told Good Morning America in 2015. “I would put the people that I’ve actually learned the most from, being Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Jerry West.”

Personally, I have Magic and Kobe ahead of Bron right now, but I'm far from unbiased when it comes to that.
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By all historical context and metrics... Jordan and Kobe are overachievers.

Both were discounted and cast aside early on.

Jordan was cut from his high school team... Then even after making a name for himself at UNC - It wasn't clear until Jordan dominated the Olympic Trials at 21 years old. Jordan established a new standard for the GOAT archetype.

Kobe was an outcast from an early age. This even extended throughout his career - It would have ruined most players. Not only did he rise above the challenges of being a social outcast - he embraced it and became universally acknowledged as one of the masters of domination - at the cost of acceptance and friends.

I always find it humorous how people like Shaq and his dumbass groupies used to clown Kobe and shun him. But look at Kobe now... MF'er is hanging with John Williams and Stephen Spielberg.

Jordan is far better with relating to people than Kobe. But they both share the same DNA. On that court - they were the best. I don't care what stats say. These are your GOATS.

LeBron is not cut from this cloth... Not at all. It was all promised and given to LeBron. And because of it being given freely - he never had to fight - and whenEVER he was FORCED to fight - he quit or shat the bed because he doesn't have it in him to rise above immovable challenges.

LeBron is lucky he doesn't have to face true two-way superstars. He's struggling to keep up with the specialists of the current era.


LMAO I've heard it all... It was all given and promised to Lebron... Dude was drafted by the worst franchise in the league, and put up with an owner like Dan Gilbert for 7 years. Never complained, and played out his contract. With one of the worst coaches too. Best they give him was Mo Williams, washed up Shaq and Jamison. At some point that has to play a role.

Which true 2 way superstars were MJ/Kobe facing?


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Batguano wrote:
george w kush wrote:
Batguano wrote:
george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
george w kush wrote:
@ Lebron not being a top 5 player of all time. And anyone who included Kobe in their top 5 is nothing more than a Laker homer. Never seen anyone that isn't a Lakers fan include him in their top 5.

BTW no I don't think LeBron is the GOAT, but if he wins a ring here he is right there with MJ. If we wins a 2nd one the conversation is over.


kush vs Darth and MJST is pretty entertaining stuff.


I've got no plans this weekend, ready for this


Do you and the rest of the anti-Kobe brigade look forward to being 40+ years old and still scrambling like roaches to shout down anonymous strangers on a message board who express any opinion that Kobe might be the GOAT?

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-time-kobe-bryant-no-5/


No I have no plans on doing so, but you on the other hand can continue to keep Googling 'is Kobe top 5' and posting some random link in a pathetic attempt to support your idol Kobe.

What's next from you, a quote from Samaki Walker you found on Google on why Samaki thinks Kobe is better?


Typical deflection when your statement is proven wrong. Yeah. Slam Magazine is some "random" link...

I wonder what kind of lists YOU look at that lead you to the belief that "NO ONE EXCEPT LAKER HOMERS HAS KOBE IN THEIR TOP 5"



LOL I don't need to look up any lists. The fact that I only ever seem him in a top 5 list on a Lakers forum but no where else tells me that. You know who always is in everyone's top 5? LEBRON JAYMESSSSSSS.
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
george w kush wrote:
MJST wrote:
george w kush wrote:

2-You think Magic, the ultimate nice guy is going to publicly state he had a better career than Kobe?


If he felt that he was better than Kobe he simply wouldn't answer the question, or he'd give a 50/50 answer. But he unquestionably calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, and he is also the one that puts it out there. You're refusing to accept that because you don't want to, and thus are trying to push those thoughts on Magic, when his are the opposite.

Magic would give up that mantle to just anyone.

Let's make something clear. When Magic calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, he's not doing it "just to be nice". That's an insult to both Magic and Kobe to say that.

You ever heard Magic say "I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me."

Magic was a 'nice guy' but he was also the ultimate competitor. He isn't saying "Kobe is the greatest Laker ever." to be nice. That's like trying to say him saying that Jordan was better than him was 'to just be nice'.



No I never heard Magic say 'I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me' because:

1)Everyone knows Magic had a better career then both of them.

2)No one is stupid enough to answer that question in the first place.


Magic is just a nice guy that wants to get along with everyone. The same guy who think Lonzo is the next version of himself and Ingram is the next Scottie Pippen. There is no incentive for him to stir the pot and claim is the greatest Laker.

You judge these players based on their accomplishments with the franchise and the reality is Magic led his teams to 5 rings and Kobe led his to 2.


according to your own logic, Magic led the Lakers to only 3 rings


Still better than 2 rings right?
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Karl Malone if he wasn't on the come up in Jordan's era may have wound up recognized as the greatest PF ever instead of Duncan.

Honestly the only thing that keeps Malone out of that conversation is that he never won a ring. But if you were to ask me which I'd rather have on my team in their prime, Karl Malone or Tim Duncan? I'd probably go with Malone.



People are acting like Malone isn't an all-time great. He's the 2nd best PF of all time, and like you said, if it wasn't for MJ beating him twice he'd probably be the best. Comparing lebron to Malone is no slight. They're both big, strong and muscular, and they both like to bully their way to the basket. Neither one of them have great post moves and both are great passers and rebounders. lebron can't make free throws, Malone can. lebron can bring the ball up the court, Malone not so much. I don't understand why it has to be GOAT or bust when it comes to lebron. Why can't he just be a great player without having to be the greatest. If I say I'll take Bird over lebron people are acting like I'm picking a scrub over him. Bird was a beast, believe me in the 80's there was no other player I feared more than him with the ball in his hands. He could literally shoot from anywhere on the court. Jeesh folks, let's stop taking a dump on other great players to prop up lebron, it's sickening!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:12 pm    Post subject:

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To be fair, Kobe did say this in that article that put him in the Top 5 (although Lebron and Magic are ranked ahead of him on that list):
“I would never put myself in the [all-time] starting five ever,” Kobe told Good Morning America in 2015. “I would put the people that I’ve actually learned the most from, being Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Jerry West.”

Personally, I have Magic and Kobe ahead of Bron right now, but I'm far from unbiased when it comes to that.




There you have Batguano, Kobe himself says he is not a top 5 player. Happy now?
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george w kush wrote:
GOODRICH25 wrote:
george w kush wrote:
MJST wrote:
george w kush wrote:

2-You think Magic, the ultimate nice guy is going to publicly state he had a better career than Kobe?


If he felt that he was better than Kobe he simply wouldn't answer the question, or he'd give a 50/50 answer. But he unquestionably calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, and he is also the one that puts it out there. You're refusing to accept that because you don't want to, and thus are trying to push those thoughts on Magic, when his are the opposite.

Magic would give up that mantle to just anyone.

Let's make something clear. When Magic calls Kobe the greatest Laker ever, he's not doing it "just to be nice". That's an insult to both Magic and Kobe to say that.

You ever heard Magic say "I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me."

Magic was a 'nice guy' but he was also the ultimate competitor. He isn't saying "Kobe is the greatest Laker ever." to be nice. That's like trying to say him saying that Jordan was better than him was 'to just be nice'.



No I never heard Magic say 'I rank Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over me' because:

1)Everyone knows Magic had a better career then both of them.

2)No one is stupid enough to answer that question in the first place.


Magic is just a nice guy that wants to get along with everyone. The same guy who think Lonzo is the next version of himself and Ingram is the next Scottie Pippen. There is no incentive for him to stir the pot and claim is the greatest Laker.

You judge these players based on their accomplishments with the franchise and the reality is Magic led his teams to 5 rings and Kobe led his to 2.


according to your own logic, Magic led the Lakers to only 3 rings


Still better than 2 rings right?


for the record, i have Magic just behind Jordan. just find it funny how you counted all of his rings but for Kobe just the ones he was FMVP on. also, Kareem should have really been FMVP in 1980

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1980-nba-finals-76ers-vs-lakers.html

Magic got it because Kareem didnt fly out to Philly. the voters didnt want to give it to someone whos not there
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LandsbergerRules wrote:
To be fair, Kobe did say this in that article that put him in the Top 5 (although Lebron and Magic are ranked ahead of him on that list):
“I would never put myself in the [all-time] starting five ever,” Kobe told Good Morning America in 2015. “I would put the people that I’ve actually learned the most from, being Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Jerry West.”

Personally, I have Magic and Kobe ahead of Bron right now, but I'm far from unbiased when it comes to that.




There you have Batguano, Kobe himself says he is not a top 5 player. Happy now?


lol, who does (except for insecure Lebron)?
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george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
To be fair, Kobe did say this in that article that put him in the Top 5 (although Lebron and Magic are ranked ahead of him on that list):
“I would never put myself in the [all-time] starting five ever,” Kobe told Good Morning America in 2015. “I would put the people that I’ve actually learned the most from, being Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Jerry West.”

Personally, I have Magic and Kobe ahead of Bron right now, but I'm far from unbiased when it comes to that.




There you have Batguano, Kobe himself says he is not a top 5 player. Happy now?


Ah. So now the whole "he's just being humble" angle you were using to discredit Magic's comments don't apply? Typical flip-flopping and jumping through hoops to fit your cringey agenda...
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Batguano wrote:
george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
To be fair, Kobe did say this in that article that put him in the Top 5 (although Lebron and Magic are ranked ahead of him on that list):
“I would never put myself in the [all-time] starting five ever,” Kobe told Good Morning America in 2015. “I would put the people that I’ve actually learned the most from, being Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Jerry West.”

Personally, I have Magic and Kobe ahead of Bron right now, but I'm far from unbiased when it comes to that.




There you have Batguano, Kobe himself says he is not a top 5 player. Happy now?


Ah. So now the whole "he's just being humble" angle you were using to discredit Magic's comments don't apply? Typical flip-flopping and jumping through hoops to fit your cringey agenda...


No I still stick with my him being humble angle, I just find it hilarious here you are defending him as being top 5 when he says he's not.

BTW this Kobe quote goes back to what I was referring to in Magic's quote, players being humble and not trying to stir the pot. There is no way Kobe thinks West is better than him, much like there is no way Magic thinks Kobe had a better career than him.

Seems like Lebron is the only one who has balls in all of this, declaring himself as the GOAT and all
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
To be fair, Kobe did say this in that article that put him in the Top 5 (although Lebron and Magic are ranked ahead of him on that list):
“I would never put myself in the [all-time] starting five ever,” Kobe told Good Morning America in 2015. “I would put the people that I’ve actually learned the most from, being Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Jerry West.”

Personally, I have Magic and Kobe ahead of Bron right now, but I'm far from unbiased when it comes to that.




There you have Batguano, Kobe himself says he is not a top 5 player. Happy now?


lol, who does (except for insecure Lebron)?


Even Jordan wouldn't call himself the greatest because, as he said, it was disrespectful towards the ones who came before him... Only Lebron would call himself that, no matter how ridiculous
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No I have no plans on doing so, but you on the other hand can continue to keep Googling 'is Kobe top 5' and posting some random link in a pathetic attempt to support your idol Kobe.

What's next from you, a quote from Samaki Walker you found on Google on why Samaki thinks Kobe is better?


Naw, it's time for the famous John Wooden quote, as reported by Super Dave.
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GOODRICH25 wrote:
george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
To be fair, Kobe did say this in that article that put him in the Top 5 (although Lebron and Magic are ranked ahead of him on that list):
“I would never put myself in the [all-time] starting five ever,” Kobe told Good Morning America in 2015. “I would put the people that I’ve actually learned the most from, being Jordan, Magic, Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Jerry West.”

Personally, I have Magic and Kobe ahead of Bron right now, but I'm far from unbiased when it comes to that.




There you have Batguano, Kobe himself says he is not a top 5 player. Happy now?


lol, who does (except for insecure Lebron)?


To put this in perspective... I have professional mentors who have helped me to become pretty good in my field of work. And despite whatever success I have and despite the people who I am able to help - I would never disrespect my mentors by saying I am better than them. That's for other people to discuss. I would never be that guy.

But LeBron would...
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No I have no plans on doing so, but you on the other hand can continue to keep Googling 'is Kobe top 5' and posting some random link in a pathetic attempt to support your idol Kobe.

What's next from you, a quote from Samaki Walker you found on Google on why Samaki thinks Kobe is better?


Naw, it's time for the famous John Wooden quote, as reported by Super Dave.


Actually, it was also reported by TJ Simmers in an LA Times article where he had a breakfast/interview with Wooden himself.

But if I post that you, Kush and the rest of the anti-Kobe brigade will scramble as usual to try to discredit the quote/source, etc.

The fact that you lean on that SuperDave angle as hard as you do after all these years shows your massive insecurities and denial on the subject matter.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject:

Any time an athlete deviates from the faux humility script that Great Noble Sports Fans expect them to read from it results in outrage. There’s nothing wrong with LeBron thinking it and there’s nothing wrong with him saying it.
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He says Kobe Bryant, "from a physical point of view is the best to ever play the game," but if he had a team now he'd go with LeBron James, who is younger.


http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/01/sports/sp-simers1
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:30 pm    Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:
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He says Kobe Bryant, "from a physical point of view is the best to ever play the game," but if he had a team now he'd go with LeBron James, who is younger.


http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/01/sports/sp-simers1



Ahh I see, a quote from 2009 before Lebron even won a ring.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:34 pm    Post subject:

george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
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He says Kobe Bryant, "from a physical point of view is the best to ever play the game," but if he had a team now he'd go with LeBron James, who is younger.


http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/01/sports/sp-simers1



Ahh I see, a quote from 2009 before Lebron even won a ring.


Nah that's not the point. You said only Kobe homers would even have him in the Top 5. I wouldn't count Wooden as one of those.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:37 pm    Post subject:

george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
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He says Kobe Bryant, "from a physical point of view is the best to ever play the game," but if he had a team now he'd go with LeBron James, who is younger.


http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/01/sports/sp-simers1



Ahh I see, a quote from 2009 before Lebron even won a ring.



I sometimes wonder how Wooden would react to the way his words are being used in forums like this. My guesses are (1) he would chuckle at the silliness of it all and (2) he would say no one here is capturing what he actually thought.

For instance, if we actually heard him definitively state who he thought the best player of all time was, the reasoning wouldn't be because that player was better than other players; but because he made the most of his potential.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:45 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
george w kush wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
Quote:
He says Kobe Bryant, "from a physical point of view is the best to ever play the game," but if he had a team now he'd go with LeBron James, who is younger.


http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/01/sports/sp-simers1



Ahh I see, a quote from 2009 before Lebron even won a ring.



I sometimes wonder how Wooden would react to the way his words are being used in forums like this. My guesses are (1) he would chuckle at the silliness of it all and (2) he would say no one here is capturing what he actually thought.

For instance, if we actually heard him definitively state who he thought the best player of all time was, the reasoning wouldn't be because that player was better than other players; but because he made the most of his potential.


So when confronted with the actual quote from a legitimate source (not Super Dave Osborne) you act as the sole authority who can interpret what he actually meant?
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