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awntawn
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| Megaton wrote: | Hindsight draft:
2015: Kristaps Porzingis
2016: Jamal Murray
2017: Jayson Tatum
Jamal Murray
Jayson Tatum
Lebron James
Kyle Kuzma
Kristaps Porzingis
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Porzingis probably would have been cut after his first year after Byron Scott forced him to be a full time back to the basket center.
On the other hand, he would have got a ton of putback dunks off Kobe assists |
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calistrtballr
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| Randle was our best youngster and we let him go. Front office is a mess with overvaluing “potential” players. |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | It ain't easy picking at the top. Most will just go with consensus picks for fear of looking stupid if the consensus was right.
That's why you can look like geniuses with the low picks. There is no pressure to take Jordan Clarkson, Kyle Kuzma, Larry Nance, etc. |
Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
And is playing better than any of our young players. The pick that bugs is Lonzo. Not Lonzo the player but Lonzo the draftee. By all reports he bombed his workout with us, yet we gave him a second workout out of the view of our scouts. Who else did we give a second workout to? It’s like the FO reverse engineered his pick, I believe that our minds were made up before workouts began.
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| Megaton wrote: | Hindsight draft:
2015: Kristaps Porzingis
2016: Jamal Murray
2017: Jayson Tatum
Jamal Murray
Jayson Tatum
Lebron James
Kyle Kuzma
Kristaps Porzingis
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NBA champs lol |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | It ain't easy picking at the top. Most will just go with consensus picks for fear of looking stupid if the consensus was right.
That's why you can look like geniuses with the low picks. There is no pressure to take Jordan Clarkson, Kyle Kuzma, Larry Nance, etc. |
Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
And is playing better than any of our young players. The pick that bugs is Lonzo. Not Lonzo the player but Lonzo the draftee. By all reports he bombed his workout with us, yet we gave him a second workout out of the view of our scouts. Who else did we give a second workout to? It’s like the FO reverse engineered his pick, I believe that our minds were made up before workouts began. |
You’re probably right. And wasnt his second workout like, in his home town? |
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dabask11
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| Ziggy wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | It ain't easy picking at the top. Most will just go with consensus picks for fear of looking stupid if the consensus was right.
That's why you can look like geniuses with the low picks. There is no pressure to take Jordan Clarkson, Kyle Kuzma, Larry Nance, etc. |
Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
Thank goodness we didn't draft Okafor at #2. We wouldn't have been able to dump mozgov let alone get anything of value given Okafor was a such a colossal bust. |
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ryan_c
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| In the meantime, the 29th pick Derrick White by Spurs is impressing everybody. White's is superb on defense, can slash, can pass and can shoot from the 3 point line. |
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People going "We should have drafted Poirzingis" are the same people that called Russell injury prone, but are significantly ignoring that this will be Kristaps 2nd year out of the league due to injury and injury recovery.
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| calistrtballr wrote: | | Randle was our best youngster and we let him go. Front office is a mess with overvaluing “potential” players. |
Randle and Russell were our best two youngsters, and able to get their own shots.
Were let go of at the behest of Magic because he wanted to force Lonzo and Ingram to try to be players that are scorers that get their own shots, instead of appreciating the fact he already had that, and letting Ingram and Lonzo be themselves.
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| MJST wrote: | | People going "We should have drafted Poirzingis" are the same people that called Russell injury prone, but are significantly ignoring that this will be Kristaps 2nd year out of the league due to injury and injury recovery. |
No, FO was a disaster.
| Quote: | The Lakers, though, wanted to test Porzingis' physicality, and especially his "bigness," in that workout. They overvalued Porzingis' need to prove he could play in the low post and wrongly equated his shaky stamina with his overall NBA readiness.
Lakers assistant coach Mark "Mad Dog" Madsen, notorious for physical play in his 2000-09 NBA career, was pushed on Porzingis in the workout. To put it in preschool-level simple terms, the workout looked a lot like Big Bird being pushed all around the court by his dinosaur-ish friend Snuffleupagus.
Then-Lakers head coach Byron Scott, whose outdated mindsets have been well documented, even kidded Lakers staffers after watching Porzingis wilt with exhaustion that Scott had better get a contract extension if the club decided to draft Porzingis and wait for him to grow up. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: We had three number two picks in three straight drafts. |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | We (bleep) all three picks up, and the next draft after our streak ends the number two pick ends up averaging 19/6/5 as a rookie, out playing any season by any of our lottery picks since Kobe left.
Back luck or bad management? |
well, if we didnt tank in 2017 and lost our pick, we would have kept our 2018 pick, right?
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GOODRICH25
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| awntawn wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | Hindsight draft:
2015: Kristaps Porzingis
2016: Jamal Murray
2017: Jayson Tatum
Jamal Murray
Jayson Tatum
Lebron James
Kyle Kuzma
Kristaps Porzingis
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Porzingis probably would have been cut after his first year after Byron Scott forced him to be a full time back to the basket center.
On the other hand, he would have got a ton of putback dunks off Kobe assists |
or we would have traded him for capspace lol
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | It ain't easy picking at the top. Most will just go with consensus picks for fear of looking stupid if the consensus was right.
That's why you can look like geniuses with the low picks. There is no pressure to take Jordan Clarkson, Kyle Kuzma, Larry Nance, etc. |
Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
And is playing better than any of our young players. The pick that bugs is Lonzo. Not Lonzo the player but Lonzo the draftee. By all reports he bombed his workout with us, yet we gave him a second workout out of the view of our scouts. Who else did we give a second workout to? It’s like the FO reverse engineered his pick, I believe that our minds were made up before workouts began. |
If this is true about excluding scouts from Lonzo's second workout, then obviously Magic/Rob had their minds made up going in and just wanted to make sure it wasn't an absolute disaster. I wonder how much the marketing potential of drafting a hometown player influenced their decision. It was clearly the popular choice among fans and if Magic/Rob wanted to make a splash it was the way to do it, so maybe that overrode some of Lonzo's obvious weaknesses. |
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| calistrtballr wrote: | | Randle was our best youngster and we let him go. Front office is a mess with overvaluing “potential” players. |
nah. randle still plays horrible defense. |
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| bandiger wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | People going "We should have drafted Poirzingis" are the same people that called Russell injury prone, but are significantly ignoring that this will be Kristaps 2nd year out of the league due to injury and injury recovery. |
No, FO was a disaster.
| Quote: | The Lakers, though, wanted to test Porzingis' physicality, and especially his "bigness," in that workout. They overvalued Porzingis' need to prove he could play in the low post and wrongly equated his shaky stamina with his overall NBA readiness.
Lakers assistant coach Mark "Mad Dog" Madsen, notorious for physical play in his 2000-09 NBA career, was pushed on Porzingis in the workout. To put it in preschool-level simple terms, the workout looked a lot like Big Bird being pushed all around the court by his dinosaur-ish friend Snuffleupagus.
Then-Lakers head coach Byron Scott, whose outdated mindsets have been well documented, even kidded Lakers staffers after watching Porzingis wilt with exhaustion that Scott had better get a contract extension if the club decided to draft Porzingis and wait for him to grow up. |
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The reason they didn't pick Porzingis might be stupid, but the fact that they even considered him and Russell over Okafor (which was the conventional wisdom) means they deserve praise. And Russell is starting to look like the guy at OSU -- turns out it takes a while (albeit that 3FG% is still not close to 41%). And there's always injury concerns for a 7'3 guy.
Not drafting Porzingis is hardly a big deal with the benefit of retrospect. |
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Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
DLo our most useful #2 pick so far.
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| MJST wrote: | | calistrtballr wrote: | | Randle was our best youngster and we let him go. Front office is a mess with overvaluing “potential” players. |
Randle and Russell were our best two youngsters, and able to get their own shots.
Were let go of at the behest of Magic because he wanted to force Lonzo and Ingram to try to be players that are scorers that get their own shots, instead of appreciating the fact he already had that, and letting Ingram and Lonzo be themselves. |
I always felt Luke made everything rocket science. I was honestly stoked when he got the job because I thought he was young and maybe can relate more, unlike Byron who preferred vets. I was looking forward to a Russell/Clarkson back court. That tandem never had a chance since Luke made JC a sixth man the moment he arrived. After that, the carousel hasn't stop. There has been nothing stable under Luke. Even when the better player, Randle, is starring you in the face Luke still managed to squeeze Nance in the starting line-up and tried Randle off the bench. Even with all the games they played with Randle, he still manage to show us he was our best player. Renounced for nothing.
I said from the get-go, I'm not interested in a few 50 win seasons, then rebuild again when Bron is old. If you're sacrificing all these kids now, you better complete the project and get that second star and win the chip. And right now, it doesn't even seem like 50 wins is possible. |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: |
Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
DLo our most useful #2 pick so far. |
He was also the one that the new regime got rid of first. |
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| Megaton wrote: | Hindsight draft:
2015: Kristaps Porzingis
2016: Jamal Murray
2017: Jayson Tatum
Jamal Murray
Jayson Tatum
Lebron James
Kyle Kuzma
Kristaps Porzingis
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So who’s your starting center? |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | calistrtballr wrote: | | Randle was our best youngster and we let him go. Front office is a mess with overvaluing “potential” players. |
Randle and Russell were our best two youngsters, and able to get their own shots.
Were let go of at the behest of Magic because he wanted to force Lonzo and Ingram to try to be players that are scorers that get their own shots, instead of appreciating the fact he already had that, and letting Ingram and Lonzo be themselves. |
I always felt Luke made everything rocket science. I was honestly stoked when he got the job because I thought he was young and maybe can relate more, unlike Byron who preferred vets. I was looking forward to a Russell/Clarkson back court. That tandem never had a chance since Luke made JC a sixth man the moment he arrived. After that, the carousel hasn't stop. There has been nothing stable under Luke. Even when the better player, Randle, is starring you in the face Luke still managed to squeeze Nance in the starting line-up and tried Randle off the bench. Even with all the games they played with Randle, he still manage to show us he was our best player. Renounced for nothing.
I said from the get-go, I'm not interested in a few 50 win seasons, then rebuild again when Bron is old. If you're sacrificing all these kids now, you better complete the project and get that second star and win the chip. And right now, it doesn't even seem like 50 wins is possible. |
Russell's on/off stats with Clarkson were staggering in '16-'17. He was absolute (bleep) next to Clarkson offensively, and defensively they gave up 120 points per 100 possession (historically bad) as a two man lineup. Luke was smart to put Russell in that lineup with Young, Deng, Randle, and Mozgov which was actually really good that year.
I don't really blame Luke for this stuff, the only glaring mistake he really made was starting Nance over Randle imo. |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: |
Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
DLo our most useful #2 pick so far. |
He was also the one that the new regime got rid of first. |
That's what was useful about DLo. We got rid of Moz using him. 
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: |
Most people had Okafor going #2 when we took DLo. At least DLo had enough value to help us dump Mozgov, get Kuzma and sign Lebron. |
DLo our most useful #2 pick so far. |
And the best.
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The lonzo pick is where they shat the bed.
Magic got hustled |
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