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SGV-Laker fan
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 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:48 pm Post subject: For the last freaking time, why our defenders play so close to Harden |
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| It was an invitation to the lane at will, which either results in him scoring or have the defense in scramble mode when he kicks out. I’d rather give him couple steps force him shoot over you. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| It was working but we lost our DPOY |
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Staccatos
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| It doesn't matter, Harden will run into the nearest defender in order to draw the foul anyways. |
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Daphanabe
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought the plan was good. We lost because Shaw and the assistants have crapped the bed on out of bounds plays and the lopsided officiating. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| u havent played any real bb have u? |
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3baller
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The game plan was obviously working. We were up 21 at one point. Zo got injured. They had to hit 2 lucky threes at the end of regulation to beat a depleted laker team at home. Yes they’re missing Capella and Paul but they still have their superstar and Gordon. All we had left were young kids and no point guard. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| what do you do once he goes by you? just give up the 2 points every time? what do you do when he just runs into it? keep backing up instead? |
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Treble Clef
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| That shadowing defense was only working when Harden was kicking to the open man and they were bricking wide open shots. When he attacked the basket, it failed. When his teammates made wide open threes, it failed. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Harden seems to do this every game. Tries to get his teammates going early and then does his thing later. His teammates just werent hitting early. They had wide open looks. |
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Nnamdi21
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| i thought the defensive game plan was bad from the start. everyone was open for the rockets but they just missed. The Lakers tightened it up in the 2nd half but they started hitting their shots... |
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The Lebrons
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| I'm wondering if we should have just forced him left? I get he's a lefty, but he always steps back to his right for 3s. I don't watch him that much, but I feel like I haven't seen his step-back 3 going to his left. We were letting him into the lane at will either way. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| You can’t let him shoot 3s, he is on fire now |
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VicXLakers
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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good game plan...it worked
the Rockets game plan of playing no d in the first half then turn it up in the end was risky |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | good game plan...it worked
the Rockets game plan of playing no d in the first half then turn it up in the end was risky |
Unfortunately losing Zo played a huge part in our offensive sputtering. Kuz is lit but he shines next to a guy like Zo (and of course Bron).
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | good game plan...it worked
the Rockets game plan of playing no d in the first half then turn it up in the end was risky |
Unfortunately losing Zo played a huge part in our offensive sputtering. Kuz is lit but he shines next to a guy like Zo (and of course Bron). |
Also defensively. Zo has the defensive IQ to know when to switch and rotate which was instrumental in the 1st half. |
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scoobs
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| I'm not an xs and os expert, so I have no place commenting on this. |
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eddiejonze
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Uhhhh, Because thats how everyone in the world of basketball except for NBA refs only when officiating a Harden game have learned to play D?
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numbers suggests best way to defend harden is stick to him like glue
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| They did that because the Lakers staff saw all the media reports of the Bucks doing the same of sticking close and forcing left to limited success. So they tried the same like sheep and had no answer when it wasn’t working. |
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Ziggy
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Harden seems to do this every game. Tries to get his teammates going early and then does his thing later. His teammates just werent hitting early. They had wide open looks. |
Houston is literally an average 3pt shooting team. They are 15th in 3p% as a team, and Harden is one of their best shooters. So the game plan to let other guys shoot is a solid one. |
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Luminous8
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:21 am Post subject: |
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I was literally just about to post this. |
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24Legend007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Luminous8 wrote: |
I was literally just about to post this. |
Pippen pretty much said I would guard him the way Walton game planned. |
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WindyCityLakerFan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| 24Legend007 wrote: | | Luminous8 wrote: |
I was literally just about to post this. |
Pippen pretty much said I would guard him the way Walton game planned. |
I worked. They played to his left hand forcing him right but the refs continued to let him use the left hand to push of the defender |
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LakersDC
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Pip was easily one of the best, if not the best perimeter defender of all-time, and his strategy is solid, but his strats are often contingent on a dude with 7'3 wingspan who is more athletic than the guy he is guarding, with crazy lateral quickness and ability to adapt to changing offensive schemes effortlessly...
Jordan is the GOAT, but it would have been fun to see Kobe play with a prime Scottie, so he could focus on offense (I guess Kobe did that eventually, coasting on defense  ) |
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