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LakerLanny
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They fire him now....you go New Orleans, why is there a team there again?
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Lebron is the godfather of the NBA.
Demps refused.
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| LeBron Stan wrote: | | Quote: | | Make no mistake: no matter who becomes the GM in New Orleans, Mickey Loomis, the head of basketball operations for the Pelicans-and, not unimportantly, the GM of the Saints as well-has all the juice. Owner Gayle Benson trusts him and his opinion more than anyone else. |
https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1096504026978545666?s=21 |
If Loomis is still calling the shots then I don't see AD or Rich getting him to the team of their choice, no matter who the GM is. Those NFL guys have a entirely different view on player/labor rights and Loomis has a rep for being a tough negotiator. |
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| BlackStarMamba wrote: | | no other team is going to offer draft picks for a possible rental. |
Morey offered 4 draft picks for a Jimmy Butler rental. I'm positive he'd roll the dice on a year of Davis, while trying to win with Harden and an aging CP3. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | | no other team is going to offer draft picks for a possible rental. |
Morey offered 4 draft picks for a Jimmy Butler rental. I'm positive he'd roll the dice on a year of Davis, while trying to win with Harden and an aging CP3. |
Pretty sure they'll want more than just draft picks.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Judah wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | BlackStarMamba wrote: | | no other team is going to offer draft picks for a possible rental. |
Morey offered 4 draft picks for a Jimmy Butler rental. I'm positive he'd roll the dice on a year of Davis, while trying to win with Harden and an aging CP3. |
Pretty sure they'll want more than just draft picks. |
Me too. Was just replying to the post saying no team would offer picks. |
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These media clowns are so happy that Lakers didn’t make the trade and how they looked like chumps cause NO didn’t wanna “even answer the phone” that they seem to forget that Lakers actually came out on top. If they were willing to give up what was reported then NO’s pettiness actually saved them from themselves.
So there’s two ways to look at this firing: 1) If they fired Demps cause he didn’t take that robbery of a trade then they’re in even more disarray than I thought. Cause they could’ve overruled him at the time. 2) If they fired him cause he wanted to take the trade but they did overrule him then they’re spectacularly stupid cause Lakers young guys value was low but their potential is fairly high.
I don’t know what their reasoning is but the only way they could’ve looked good through this is if they kept Demps and presented a unified front. They chose the wrong move and now they look like a disastrous storm of stupidity and pettiness. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | I love how some think Demps had any say in the AD trade talks.
This is just a pissed off ownership group taking their frustrations out on the lame duck whipping boy, which happens to be Dell Demps in this situation. |
Not necessarily. GM's not listening to owners has happened before. Happened to the Lakers even. In 83, the Baltimore Colts' GM chose Elway at #1 instead of the owner's choice (Jim Kelly or Marino) and that was after Elway went to a podium on camera saying he would not play there and that he was from the West and wanted to stay on the West Coast. The GM's take was that he was going to take BPA no matter if his job depended on it. He was fired. Elway's advisers and the FO got him traded over to Denver.
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | AllorNothing wrote: | | How does Danny ferry still have a high paying job after his racist comments? |
He was just “Anchormaning” it. 😂 |
They've done studies, you know. Sixty percent of the time, the Lakers deal works..EVerytime.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | LeBron Stan wrote: | | Quote: | | Make no mistake: no matter who becomes the GM in New Orleans, Mickey Loomis, the head of basketball operations for the Pelicans-and, not unimportantly, the GM of the Saints as well-has all the juice. Owner Gayle Benson trusts him and his opinion more than anyone else. |
https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1096504026978545666?s=21 |
If Loomis is still calling the shots then I don't see AD or Rich getting him to the team of their choice, no matter who the GM is. Those NFL guys have a entirely different view on player/labor rights and Loomis has a rep for being a tough negotiator. |
Like you say, the NFL is completely different. One thing Loomis and Benson better get a handle on is that if they treat Davis like his needs don't matter, their reputation with the players is going to go completely downhill. Nobody will ever sign with them again. They sure won't get Tatum. I guarantee you he will change his tune on this.
Every good player they draft will play out their contract and sign elsewhere. This is all very bad juju for that team. They are doing everything wrong.
In the NBA, you have to convince players to stay by treating them respectfully. If one or two want to leave, you got to let them leave with class so that the next guy can see you were fair. When you try to force the players to capitulate to your demands, it's all downhill from there and it will cascade.
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| Wino wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | LeBron Stan wrote: | | Quote: | | Make no mistake: no matter who becomes the GM in New Orleans, Mickey Loomis, the head of basketball operations for the Pelicans-and, not unimportantly, the GM of the Saints as well-has all the juice. Owner Gayle Benson trusts him and his opinion more than anyone else. |
https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1096504026978545666?s=21 |
If Loomis is still calling the shots then I don't see AD or Rich getting him to the team of their choice, no matter who the GM is. Those NFL guys have a entirely different view on player/labor rights and Loomis has a rep for being a tough negotiator. |
Like you say, the NFL is completely different. One thing Loomis and Benson better get a handle on is that if they treat Davis like his needs don't matter, their reputation with the players is going to go completely downhill. Nobody will ever sign with them again. They sure won't get Tatum. I guarantee you he will change his tune on this.
Every good player they draft will play out their contract and sign elsewhere. This is all very bad juju for that team. They are doing everything wrong.
In the NBA, you have to convince players to stay by treating them respectfully. If one or two want to leave, you got to let them leave with class so that the next guy can see you were fair. When you try to force the players to capitulate to your demands, it's all downhill from there and it will cascade. |
The Lakers have sent a message that if you aren't a top ten player... then your needs don't matter.
Guess what? There's 440 players in the league who've got the message loud and clear. |
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Judah
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This never occurred to me until now, but the stakes have been raised substantially for making the playoffs because it would be a huge opportunity for the young core to rebuild their trade value. It took a huge hit when the team plummeted in the standings while LeBron and Rondo were out, but if the Lakers can at least get into the dance and make some noise with the young guys being significant contributors, that would likely undo most of the damage that their trade value took.
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| Judah wrote: | | This never occurred to me until now, but the stakes have been raised substantially for making the playoffs because it would be a huge opportunity for the young core to rebuild their trade value. It took a huge hit when the team plummeted in the standings while LeBron and Rondo were out, but if the Lakers can at least get into the dance and make some noise with the young guys being significant contributors, that would likely undo most of the damage that their trade value took. |
Why would that be a motivating factor for the young kids?
Play hard, and we'll send you to New Orleans with less of your friends?
Sounds like a speech Magic would have written. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | This never occurred to me until now, but the stakes have been raised substantially for making the playoffs because it would be a huge opportunity for the young core to rebuild their trade value. It took a huge hit when the team plummeted in the standings while LeBron and Rondo were out, but if the Lakers can at least get into the dance and make some noise with the young guys being significant contributors, that would likely undo most of the damage that their trade value took. |
Why would that be a motivating factor for the young kids?
Play hard, and we'll send you to New Orleans with less of your friends?
Sounds like a speech Magic would have written. |
They're playing for their next contracts. Randle loafed for a couple years and it cost him $60 million.
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Hey Demps...
Kuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!! |
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Glad we didn't trade the barn for AD, glad Kuz, Ingram, Lonzo are all still Lakers, and glad Kuz went off today.
I'm not doing the Pelicans any favors like trading them our future for a one year rental.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Wino wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | | LeBron Stan wrote: | | Quote: | | Make no mistake: no matter who becomes the GM in New Orleans, Mickey Loomis, the head of basketball operations for the Pelicans-and, not unimportantly, the GM of the Saints as well-has all the juice. Owner Gayle Benson trusts him and his opinion more than anyone else. |
https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1096504026978545666?s=21 |
If Loomis is still calling the shots then I don't see AD or Rich getting him to the team of their choice, no matter who the GM is. Those NFL guys have a entirely different view on player/labor rights and Loomis has a rep for being a tough negotiator. |
Like you say, the NFL is completely different. One thing Loomis and Benson better get a handle on is that if they treat Davis like his needs don't matter, their reputation with the players is going to go completely downhill. Nobody will ever sign with them again. They sure won't get Tatum. I guarantee you he will change his tune on this.
Every good player they draft will play out their contract and sign elsewhere. This is all very bad juju for that team. They are doing everything wrong.
In the NBA, you have to convince players to stay by treating them respectfully. If one or two want to leave, you got to let them leave with class so that the next guy can see you were fair. When you try to force the players to capitulate to your demands, it's all downhill from there and it will cascade. |
You let them leave when they leave with class. Kinda not the same when they try to bully their situation out nearly two years early and intentionally restrict the market of bidding teams. No teams wants to set that kind of precedent either.
Either way, the point of my post was no matter who the GM, Loomis is calling the shots as long as he's there. |
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Can't really blame Demps for trolling the Lakers when it seems that mandate came straight from the top:
Benson has been angry over the Davis trade demand and her belief that "outside forces" are trying to push the franchise into decisions that don't make sense, league sources said.
Her mandate has been to "take back control from outside forces," one league source told ESPN.
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I am fine with a bad franchise like New Orleans flailing, that is what bad franchises do.
But the deliberate trolling and attempts to disrupt our team's chemistry because we were inquiring about a player who made himself available?
Unprofessional and unforgivable. Gail Benson is an idiot and they are running the thing like a NFL Team (bleep) all over their players.
I won't be happy until they lose their team (again)
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | They fire him now....you go New Orleans, why is there a team there again? |
Because the NFL season isn't year around.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | They fire him now....you go New Orleans, why is there a team there again? |
That market already failed once with the Jazz. Then they get the Hornets and the owner has to tell the fans if they don't start showing up, he'll move the franchise. Now the Pels.
NO shouldn't even have a franchise. If they deserve it then Buffalo, San Diego, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore and Seattle deserve consideration.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | They fire him now....you go New Orleans, why is there a team there again? |
That market already failed once with the Jazz. Then they get the Hornets and the owner has to tell the fans if they don't start showing up, he'll move the franchise. Now the Pels.
NO shouldn't even have a franchise. If they deserve it then Buffalo, San Diego, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore and Seattle deserve consideration. |
I get what you’re saying, but it should be Seattle or bust. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Dreamshake wrote: |
Every good player they draft will play out their contract and sign elsewhere. This is all very bad juju for that team. They are doing everything wrong.
In the NBA, you have to convince players to stay by treating them respectfully. If one or two want to leave, you got to let them leave with class so that the next guy can see you were fair. When you try to force the players to capitulate to your demands, it's all downhill from there and it will cascade. |
True, especially now in the "woke stars" era.
Class was giving Kobe 20 mill in his 20th season when they didn't have to and giving Magic and Worthy backloaded contracts that were still being paid after their retirements. Even if a star today wouldn't care about playing/living in New Orleans, they would care if they were under a vindictive and penny-pinching front office. I understand why their side was upset, but being upset and doing what they did are different things. AD will remember it and the longer they wait to deal him, the more he can say and do that embarrasses them further. Also, they got rid of the most desperate team willing to trade for AD (us). With the Lakers out of the way, Boston need not even beat our offer because they'll have that much less competition for AD's services than they would've had if the Lakers were a consideration. If/when NO realizes that, they may come back to the table and pretend everything was Demp's doing. By that point, the Lakers can only offer less than what they could have at the in-season trade deadline.
Remember Shaq and Charles Barkley. Chuck was ruining Philly's bargaining power for months in 92 and they wound up getting Jeff Hornacek and other middling pieces. We had a disgruntled Shaq with a list and didn't get Wade. Appreciated Odom's efforts during the title years, but he wasn't a star and neither was Hornacek. The higher your reserve price, the fewer the bidders. They'll be lucky if that doesn't become their fate because they played games with us at the deadline.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | Can't really blame Demps for trolling the Lakers when it seems that mandate came straight from the top:
Benson has been angry over the Davis trade demand and her belief that "outside forces" are trying to push the franchise into decisions that don't make sense, league sources said.
Her mandate has been to "take back control from outside forces," one league source told ESPN. |
Putting toothpaste back into the tube = notion that she can take back what they did to anger AD. He gave them his preferred destination and saw all that we were willing to part with only for his FO to pull the happy horse-sh they pulled, as if they were pooing on his desires at the same time.
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