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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:00 pm    Post subject:

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If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


He's a super-wealthy guy and he's also high-profile. He's not going to be able to just make everything disappear quietly no matter what he does. It's best to take the not guilty route and let the high powered lawyers do their thing - especially when his case is tied in to an overall investigation that involves apparent human trafficking. He wasn't arrested on a street corner picking up a random hooker so he's not going to be able to quietly plea out and pretend it didn't happen.

His high profile is why I think he should want this to be over with. What does he have to gain? A tape of his doing what ever he was doing may be decisive. It's a case where lawyers get rich. Next thing to be involved will his team. Wait for it, Spygate, Spagate.


I already explained it. There's nothing he can do to make any of it simply disappear even if he just pleads out. Therefore, it is in his best interest to utilize the high powered lawyers he has access to in order to try and minimize the damage.
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I assume that his lawyers have seen whatever tape is available to the prosecutors. When I heard that he was pleading not guilty, I thought that maybe his lawyers would argue that he received an actual massage for a legitimate period of time (say, at least 30 minutes), and that the video showed that, and that they would simply argue that whatever happened of a sexual nature was consensual, and that the money was a payment for getting a massage only. (I'm not saying I buy that, to be clear, just suggesting a possible defense.) But he went back to the same day spa the next day, and apparently was only there for 10-15 minutes, right?
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I assume that his lawyers have seen whatever tape is available to the prosecutors. When I heard that he was pleading not guilty, I thought that maybe his lawyers would argue that he received an actual massage for a legitimate period of time (say, at least 30 minutes), and that the video showed that, and that they would simply argue that whatever happened of a sexual nature was consensual, and that the money was a payment for getting a massage only. (I'm not saying I buy that, to be clear, just suggesting a possible defense.) But he went back to the same day spa the next day, and apparently was only there for 10-15 minutes, right?


Exactly why you stick with your lawyers as opposed to just admitting guilt.
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If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


He's a super-wealthy guy and he's also high-profile. He's not going to be able to just make everything disappear quietly no matter what he does. It's best to take the not guilty route and let the high powered lawyers do their thing - especially when his case is tied in to an overall investigation that involves apparent human trafficking. He wasn't arrested on a street corner picking up a random hooker so he's not going to be able to quietly plea out and pretend it didn't happen.

His high profile is why I think he should want this to be over with. What does he have to gain? A tape of his doing what ever he was doing may be decisive. It's a case where lawyers get rich. Next thing to be involved will his team. Wait for it, Spygate, Spagate.


I already explained it. There's nothing he can do to make any of it simply disappear even if he just pleads out. Therefore, it is in his best interest to utilize the high powered lawyers he has access to in order to try and minimize the damage.


What damage? The only damage I see can be is to his reputation and that's already done. It won't disappear, why not just let it play out. Going into court will only prolong the inevitable.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
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jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


He's a super-wealthy guy and he's also high-profile. He's not going to be able to just make everything disappear quietly no matter what he does. It's best to take the not guilty route and let the high powered lawyers do their thing - especially when his case is tied in to an overall investigation that involves apparent human trafficking. He wasn't arrested on a street corner picking up a random hooker so he's not going to be able to quietly plea out and pretend it didn't happen.

His high profile is why I think he should want this to be over with. What does he have to gain? A tape of his doing what ever he was doing may be decisive. It's a case where lawyers get rich. Next thing to be involved will his team. Wait for it, Spygate, Spagate.


I already explained it. There's nothing he can do to make any of it simply disappear even if he just pleads out. Therefore, it is in his best interest to utilize the high powered lawyers he has access to in order to try and minimize the damage.


What damage? The only damage I see can be is to his reputation and that's already done. It won't disappear, why not just let it play out. Going into court will only prolong the inevitable.


jail time?
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jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


He's a super-wealthy guy and he's also high-profile. He's not going to be able to just make everything disappear quietly no matter what he does. It's best to take the not guilty route and let the high powered lawyers do their thing - especially when his case is tied in to an overall investigation that involves apparent human trafficking. He wasn't arrested on a street corner picking up a random hooker so he's not going to be able to quietly plea out and pretend it didn't happen.

His high profile is why I think he should want this to be over with. What does he have to gain? A tape of his doing what ever he was doing may be decisive. It's a case where lawyers get rich. Next thing to be involved will his team. Wait for it, Spygate, Spagate.


I already explained it. There's nothing he can do to make any of it simply disappear even if he just pleads out. Therefore, it is in his best interest to utilize the high powered lawyers he has access to in order to try and minimize the damage.


What damage? The only damage I see can be is to his reputation and that's already done. It won't disappear, why not just let it play out. Going into court will only prolong the inevitable.


jail time?


I think solicitation is punishable with probation or up to 1 year in jail. Do you really think Kraft will go to jail if convicted? A man of his stature will most likely get probation and that would be minimal.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:07 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
governator wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


He's a super-wealthy guy and he's also high-profile. He's not going to be able to just make everything disappear quietly no matter what he does. It's best to take the not guilty route and let the high powered lawyers do their thing - especially when his case is tied in to an overall investigation that involves apparent human trafficking. He wasn't arrested on a street corner picking up a random hooker so he's not going to be able to quietly plea out and pretend it didn't happen.

His high profile is why I think he should want this to be over with. What does he have to gain? A tape of his doing what ever he was doing may be decisive. It's a case where lawyers get rich. Next thing to be involved will his team. Wait for it, Spygate, Spagate.


I already explained it. There's nothing he can do to make any of it simply disappear even if he just pleads out. Therefore, it is in his best interest to utilize the high powered lawyers he has access to in order to try and minimize the damage.


What damage? The only damage I see can be is to his reputation and that's already done. It won't disappear, why not just let it play out. Going into court will only prolong the inevitable.


jail time?


I think solicitation is punishable with probation or up to 1 year in jail. Do you really think Kraft will go to jail if convicted? A man of his stature will most likely get probation and that would be minimal.


You just answer your own question why he need a good lawyer
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:58 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
jodeke wrote:
governator wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
jodeke wrote:
If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


He's a super-wealthy guy and he's also high-profile. He's not going to be able to just make everything disappear quietly no matter what he does. It's best to take the not guilty route and let the high powered lawyers do their thing - especially when his case is tied in to an overall investigation that involves apparent human trafficking. He wasn't arrested on a street corner picking up a random hooker so he's not going to be able to quietly plea out and pretend it didn't happen.

His high profile is why I think he should want this to be over with. What does he have to gain? A tape of his doing what ever he was doing may be decisive. It's a case where lawyers get rich. Next thing to be involved will his team. Wait for it, Spygate, Spagate.


I already explained it. There's nothing he can do to make any of it simply disappear even if he just pleads out. Therefore, it is in his best interest to utilize the high powered lawyers he has access to in order to try and minimize the damage.


What damage? The only damage I see can be is to his reputation and that's already done. It won't disappear, why not just let it play out. Going into court will only prolong the inevitable.


jail time?


I think solicitation is punishable with probation or up to 1 year in jail. Do you really think Kraft will go to jail if convicted? A man of his stature will most likely get probation and that would be minimal.


You just answer your own question why he need a good lawyer


I'm not questioning his need for a good lawyer though I don't think he'll go to jail if convicted. He's been caught dead bang, why prolong the inevitable? Why turn this into a SpaGate, drag it on and on? Why not just let it play out, let it go quietly into the night?
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Cops list a variety of sex acts performed on 26 men who entered the business -- one of whom cops say is Robert Kraft. Kraft is not identified by name in the police documents.

The police documents describe the surveillance video in graphic detail -- noting a pattern of behavior from the alleged Johns.

The men would enter the spa and pay up front (some used cash, others used credit cards) before being escorted back into a private massage room.

In almost every case, an Asian woman would tend to the client -- sometimes two women -- and perform sex acts using their hands and mouths.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:19 pm    Post subject:

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If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


Just as hypothetical, the stories I saw said the woman put her head in to Mr> Kraft's crotch area. Now it's pretty obvious why she would do that, but it is not impossible that she just rested the side of her head against his leg? I don't know how much the tapes could see and their vantage point, but just the head in the crotch area does not make it unreasonable that oral sex did not occur.
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If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


Just as hypothetical, the stories I saw said the woman put her head in to Mr> Kraft's crotch area. Now it's pretty obvious why she would do that, but it is not impossible that she just rested the side of her head against his leg? I don't know how much the tapes could see and their vantage point, but just the head in the crotch area does not make it unreasonable that oral sex did not occur.


It won’t be handled on a case by case basis. I think they have 200 men on video?

I can’t see them getting 153 convictions and 47 others getting off.

It’s going to be 200 convictions or nothing. Once it comes to Kraft, if they’ve already convicted all the other John’s, it’s going to be hard for Kraft to get off.

Any excuse Kraft can come up w/ already was used by all the other Johns. Kraft can’t come up w/ anything new.
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Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.
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Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated
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Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated


Yup, didnt mean to discriminate. Legal for all who want to partake.
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jodeke wrote:
Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated

I don't understand what you mean.
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jodeke wrote:
governator wrote:
Surfitall wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated

I don't understand what you mean.


I know this will shock you, but some men like to have sex with other men, and some women like to have sex with other women, and some people like both. He’s saying make it all legal.
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governator wrote:
Surfitall wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated

I don't understand what you mean.


I know this will shock you, but some men like to have sex with other men, and some women like to have sex with other women, and some people like both. He’s saying make it all legal.

This may shock you. Those sex acts are legal.
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jodeke wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
jodeke wrote:
governator wrote:
Surfitall wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated

I don't understand what you mean.



I know this will shock you, but some men like to have sex with other men, and some women like to have sex with other women, and some people like both. He’s saying make it all legal.

This may shock you. Those sex acts are legal.


What's shocking is how you are totally missing the substance and context of the discussion.
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jodeke wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
jodeke wrote:
governator wrote:
Surfitall wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated

I don't understand what you mean.


I know this will shock you, but some men like to have sex with other men, and some women like to have sex with other women, and some people like both. He’s saying make it all legal.

This may shock you. Those sex acts are legal.


so why would you be puzzled when a poster says prostitution encompassing all of those things should be legal?
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jodeke wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
jodeke wrote:
governator wrote:
Surfitall wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Alcohol's legal, marijuana's legal, prescription drugs are legal. So many legal things kill. I don't think prostitution is a killer. It's the oldest profession in history. Why not make it legal? Properly managed it could add monies to the tax coffer. Take it off the streets where it contributes to crime.


Agree 100%. Prostitution should be legal and regulated. Then you can really go after illegal sex traffic and stop wasting resources on men who for whatever reason choose to go to a prostitute, and women who decide this is what they want to do for their profession. It’s safer for the women and the men involved.


Make all adult male, female, hetero, homo, legal and regulated

I don't understand what you mean.


I know this will shock you, but some men like to have sex with other men, and some women like to have sex with other women, and some people like both. He’s saying make it all legal.

This may shock you. Those sex acts are legal.


so why would you be puzzled when a poster says prostitution encompassing all of those things should be legal?


I think I get it now. Make homo, etc prostitution legal and regulated.
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If they have a tape of him in the act I don't know why he pleaded not guilty. I'd think he'd want this thing to go away. It's a misdemeanor. You can get probation. Hell, he didn't shoot anyone on Park Avenue.


He's a super-wealthy guy and he's also high-profile. He's not going to be able to just make everything disappear quietly no matter what he does. It's best to take the not guilty route and let the high powered lawyers do their thing - especially when his case is tied in to an overall investigation that involves apparent human trafficking. He wasn't arrested on a street corner picking up a random hooker so he's not going to be able to quietly plea out and pretend it didn't happen.

His high profile is why I think he should want this to be over with. What does he have to gain? A tape of his doing what ever he was doing may be decisive. It's a case where lawyers get rich. Next thing to be involved will his team. Wait for it, Spygate, Spagate.


I already explained it. There's nothing he can do to make any of it simply disappear even if he just pleads out. Therefore, it is in his best interest to utilize the high powered lawyers he has access to in order to try and minimize the damage.


or maybe he is swinging 13" and wants the tape out there!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:58 am    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1104000906801094656

Trump and owner of Spa kicking it together

Probably find Manaforts judge on the roster there too
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or maybe he is swinging 13" and wants the tape out there!


Is Kraft even 13" tall?
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I assume that his lawyers have seen whatever tape is available to the prosecutors. When I heard that he was pleading not guilty, I thought that maybe his lawyers would argue that he received an actual massage for a legitimate period of time (say, at least 30 minutes), and that the video showed that, and that they would simply argue that whatever happened of a sexual nature was consensual, and that the money was a payment for getting a massage only. (I'm not saying I buy that, to be clear, just suggesting a possible defense.) But he went back to the same day spa the next day, and apparently was only there for 10-15 minutes, right?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:02 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
I assume that his lawyers have seen whatever tape is available to the prosecutors. When I heard that he was pleading not guilty, I thought that maybe his lawyers would argue that he received an actual massage for a legitimate period of time (say, at least 30 minutes), and that the video showed that, and that they would simply argue that whatever happened of a sexual nature was consensual, and that the money was a payment for getting a massage only. (I'm not saying I buy that, to be clear, just suggesting a possible defense.) But he went back to the same day spa the next day, and apparently was only there for 10-15 minutes, right?

The tape allegedly showed women preforming sex acts using their hands and mouths. LINK
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Cops list a variety of sex acts performed on 26 men who entered the business -- one of whom cops say is Robert Kraft. Kraft is not identified by name in the police documents.

The police documents describe the surveillance video in graphic detail -- noting a pattern of behavior from the alleged Johns.

The men would enter the spa and pay up front (some used cash, others used credit cards) before being escorted back into a private massage room.

In almost every case, an Asian woman would tend to the client -- sometimes two women -- and perform sex acts using their hands and mouths.

It does not appear any of the suspects engaged in vaginal intercourse.

Cops say the surveillance videos capture every single detail of the encounters -- including ejaculation and subsequent cleanup.


I can't vision a defense for what the eyes see. I'm curious as to what Kraft's lawyers will use to support the not guilty plea.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:58 pm    Post subject:

I have not kept up with this story on a national level, but I have seen that multiple local men that were arrested in this sting have now been cleared of all charges. I saw one man on the local news who had never even patronized the establishment, and is suing the police. I feel for the guy....the news spread through his church, his kids schools, and his community and he had never even heard of the spa. Somehow, the police mistakenly linked a car in a video that was in a ladies name....and got it mixed up with him (or something like that).

I would not be surprised if this whole operation ends up falling apart. Many or these local and county law enforcement departments are just not capable of pulling off these long term complex investigations without screwing things up.
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