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Injury bug
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:32 pm    Post subject: Who is to blame for this?

The season is a failure. Although blame can be spread around, who deserves the MOST blame?

Jeannie Buss - failed to supervise an impact building of the roster. Failed to quelch the AD trade fiasco.

Magic and Pelinka - failed to assemble a quality team. Failed miserably with the AD trade, including destroying team chemistry. Traded Zu and all our good players from the previous season

Lebron James - puts up big numbers, but does nothing to get us the wins. Pouts and throws the young core under the bus. Destroys team chemistry from his diva ways.

Young core - failed to improve significantly. Not consistent.

Vets - poor play and causes problems for Luke

Luke Walton - horrid rotations and cluesless defensive plan. Has lost the team.

Injury bug - dump f'n luck
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject:

Magic.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:37 pm    Post subject:

No one person stands out enough to me to bother with singling out.

Thats just an excuse to feel some hope IMO
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:37 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:39 pm    Post subject:

Magic and Pelinka are #1

Their arrogance this summer was off putting especially when you see how horrible this team has been constructed
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject:

Shaolin's Finest wrote:
Magic and Pelinka are #1

Their arrogance this summer was off putting especially when you see how horrible this team has been constructed


They didn't want this to be another Cleveland, right? Well they succeeded on that front. The Cavs would make the Finals and playoffs.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:43 pm    Post subject:

Magic said he wanted to build the team around Luke.

Strong work.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:45 pm    Post subject:

the guys who traded DLO, Zu and Let Randle walk. would have been beautiful to see all them and ingram hit their strides together.

Yet they have patience to keep a incompetent coach.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:46 pm    Post subject:

Collective failure.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:51 pm    Post subject:

Luke and the vets
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:52 pm    Post subject:

We can all say it magic or it was luke or it was LeBron. But we all know LeBron going down with the injury followed by Lonzo really did this team in. The team was playing well before Lebrons injury, January was horrible.

Worst case scenario I think we'd be 6th seed right now without LeBron getting injured, with the emergence of Ingram I think we'd be a dark horse to come out of the west. Sadly injuries are apart of the game.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:55 pm    Post subject:

E_Wulf420 wrote:
We can all say it magic or it was luke or it was LeBron. But we all know LeBron going down with the injury followed by Lonzo really did this team in. The team was playing well before Lebrons injury, January was horrible.

Worst case scenario I think we'd be 6th seed right now without LeBron getting injured, with the emergence of Ingram I think we'd be a dark horse to come out of the west. Sadly injuries are apart of the game.



agreed .. the margin for error was very small and injuries to Zo and Bron was the fatal flaw. Combine this with Luke’s lack of ability to coach defense is a recipe for disaster.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject:

JerryWest_44 wrote:
E_Wulf420 wrote:
We can all say it magic or it was luke or it was LeBron. But we all know LeBron going down with the injury followed by Lonzo really did this team in. The team was playing well before Lebrons injury, January was horrible.

Worst case scenario I think we'd be 6th seed right now without LeBron getting injured, with the emergence of Ingram I think we'd be a dark horse to come out of the west. Sadly injuries are apart of the game.



agreed .. the margin for error was very small and injuries to Zo and Bron was the fatal flaw. Combine this with Luke’s lack of ability to coach defense is a recipe for disaster.

Was really hoping Luke would had found a way to adapt, but honestly with the LeBron signing I didn't see him sticking around past this year unless we made it to the wcf. Maybe Luke was just a product of a system that was already set along with players who already knew there roll/when to sub each other out, Luke could have just been there to call timeouts, not really to coach.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:14 pm    Post subject:

To me it’s a combination of factors and it is silly to blame individuals. Sure, I believe it was the wrong move to not resign Randle and Lopez, but we played well without them for much of the year. We got ourselves a great shooter to put around Lebron, but it hasn’t helped at all. Injuries are why we’re not going to the playoffs and I don’t mean just recent ones, but all the injuries over the course of the year are what did us in more than any other factor IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:52 pm    Post subject:

Lebron injury poured the gasoline. Failed AD trade lit the match.

This team was good at one point (particularly on defense), imperfect roster and all. I actually enjoyed watching them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject:

Injuries to Lebron, Lonzo, Rondo, Javale (illness), and Hart did us in this season. If even one of the players above didn't get sick or injured, we'd be in the playoffs. Kuz also missed a couple of games.

I'm not sure anything can be learned from this; we lost a lot of defense with Lonzo and Javale out and we lost some offense with Hart's knee problem.

Aside from injuries, turnovers and freethrows have been a problem. Some of that is on Luke and some is on the players. I've noticed we've cut back on the turnovers by limiting the full court outlet passes - finally. It shouldn't have taken the coaches this long to tighten the leash.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:08 pm    Post subject:

The only mistake I thought the FO made in the offseason was not bringing Brook back (if he wanted to) and then not signing either Noel or Len.

The real failure this year has been with our vets

Rondo - terribly inconsistent and making a ton of mistakes

McGee/lance/beAsley - none of them has shown any leadership or been “steadying influences”

Our young core hasn’t done that well, but it should have been enough to make the playoffs, even with the injuries. Unfortunately our vets have not shown up by playing D and making smart plays.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:10 pm    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
The only mistake I thought the FO made in the offseason was not bringing Brook back (if he wanted to) and then not signing either Noel or Len.

The real failure this year has been with our vets

Rondo - terribly inconsistent and making a ton of mistakes

McGee/lance/beAsley - none of them has shown any leadership or been “steadying influences”

Our young core hasn’t done that well, but it should have been enough to make the playoffs, even with the injuries. Unfortunately our vets have not shown up by playing D and making smart plays.


Nearly 1/3rd of our cap space invested in worthless vets.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:19 pm    Post subject:

I wonder what the thought process was in signing Rondo, Lance, and Beas
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:19 pm    Post subject:

Fortysixn2 wrote:
The only mistake I thought the FO made in the offseason was not bringing Brook back (if he wanted to) and then not signing either Noel or Len.

The real failure this year has been with our vets

Rondo - terribly inconsistent and making a ton of mistakes

McGee/lance/beAsley - none of them has shown any leadership or been “steadying influences”

Our young core hasn’t done that well, but it should have been enough to make the playoffs, even with the injuries. Unfortunately our vets have not shown up by playing D and making smart plays.


And who's responsible for signing those vets? The FO

Anyone with a brain could see bringing in lance/mcgee/beasly/rondo was a potential recipe for disaster.

It rests mainly on the FO's shoulders.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:26 pm    Post subject:

The Front Office for signing LeBron. That's why I campaigned "SAY NO TO LEBRON" all of last season. Everyone is now seeing why I said that.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:39 pm    Post subject:

Great One wrote:
the guys who traded DLO, Zu and Let Randle walk. would have been beautiful to see all them and ingram hit their strides together.

Yet they have patience to keep a incompetent coach.


This is honestly quite perplexing. Move or let assets go asap in zubac, randle for no/little return... But then have luke stay on the team for so long...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:41 pm    Post subject:

The front office: Jeanie, Magic, Pelinka, then Lebron.

They assembled this dysfunctional team and compounded it by going after AD publicly destroying team chemistry.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:53 pm    Post subject:

I can't choose just one. They're all part of it.
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