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unleasHell
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| RG73 wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: |
Phil Jackson is the next coach. It's the only way Jeannie will let Luke go.
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So she is going to hire the guy who is 73, who can't really travel anymore, broke off their engagement and pissed off Lebron with his comments, and does not get the modern game? Yeah, that's what she is going to do. |
Agree, no way in hell-o...
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| eddiejonze wrote: | | One of the Popovich guys- Budenholzer etc etc. |
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | I'll never be able to get over how Ty Lue ruined our perfect run. |
How did Ty Lue end our perfect run? He was the only one that had a margin of success staying in front of Iverson and frustrating him.
People forget because Iverson stepped over him when he finally succeeded, but Ty Lue is one of the reasons Iverson didn't get much done in the 4th and his 5 steals were big for us.
| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | KBandKB wrote: | 1. Becky Hammon
2. Mark Jackson
3. Ettore Messina
4. Stan Van Gundy
5. Ty Lue
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You want Becky Hammon? Really? Just what this team needs more media attention and lets add political drama on top of it |
You only see it as "political drama" if you personally think she's only where she is currently, because she's a woman. Maybe don't go down that road. |
Regardless how i see it, it would cause drama... ofcourse it would |
Only from the people that don't want to hear the historical significance of her being the first Female head coach in NBA History.
it's a deserved moment and accolade and she'd deserve the accolades she'd get for it. That's not 'political' it's historic and particularly would be something she earned. And the people that want to go "get on with it" about that need to evaluate other things.
The most important thing is if Becky is the best person for the job and if we win. Those will be the determining factors. |
Believe whatever you want man but she not going to be the next coach and she shouldn't be |
LeBron has disrespected every coach who's ever held him accountable. Not trying to be funny, but the drama to come from LeBron disrespecting the first female NBA head coach is something don't need. Everyone knows LeBron is going to challenge her and she won't back down.
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And I don't see that as a bad thing. As that seems to be the way to deal with LeBron. It's what Pat had to do. If you give LeBron an inch he'll take full advantage and walk all over you (like he did in Cleveland), but if you make yourself the wall and the stopping point, as Riley did when LeBron was trying to do that stuff to Spo to get him outed, he can't.
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Darth Los Angeles
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| MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | I'll never be able to get over how Ty Lue ruined our perfect run. |
How did Ty Lue end our perfect run? He was the only one that had a margin of success staying in front of Iverson and frustrating him.
People forget because Iverson stepped over him when he finally succeeded, but Ty Lue is one of the reasons Iverson didn't get much done in the 4th and his 5 steals were big for us.
| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | KBandKB wrote: | 1. Becky Hammon
2. Mark Jackson
3. Ettore Messina
4. Stan Van Gundy
5. Ty Lue
in that order |
You want Becky Hammon? Really? Just what this team needs more media attention and lets add political drama on top of it |
You only see it as "political drama" if you personally think she's only where she is currently, because she's a woman. Maybe don't go down that road. |
Regardless how i see it, it would cause drama... ofcourse it would |
Only from the people that don't want to hear the historical significance of her being the first Female head coach in NBA History.
it's a deserved moment and accolade and she'd deserve the accolades she'd get for it. That's not 'political' it's historic and particularly would be something she earned. And the people that want to go "get on with it" about that need to evaluate other things.
The most important thing is if Becky is the best person for the job and if we win. Those will be the determining factors. |
Believe whatever you want man but she not going to be the next coach and she shouldn't be |
LeBron has disrespected every coach who's ever held him accountable. Not trying to be funny, but the drama to come from LeBron disrespecting the first female NBA head coach is something don't need. Everyone knows LeBron is going to challenge her and she won't back down.
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And I don't see that as a bad thing. As that seems to be the way to deal with LeBron. It's what Pat had to do. If you give LeBron an inch he'll take full advantage and walk all over you (like he did in Cleveland), but if you make yourself the wall and the stopping point, as Riley did when LeBron was trying to do that stuff to Spo to get him outed, he can't. |
Again, I agree with you. However, we both know it will not be spun that way. LeBron would be playing for a female owner and female coach. To disrespect the first female coach is not only horrible for LeBron, it's catastrophic for Jeannie. The Lakers would not recover from this anytime soon. If LeBron was more fundamental in his skill set or more adaptable to playing various roles, I could maybe see it. Becky's game is equivalent to a small NBA guard; fundamentally sound. She's going to expect the first team she coaches to play that way along along with any influences she received from Pop.
LeBron would not last and the Lakers would lose the most in this situation.
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PayasoLoco
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | I'll never be able to get over how Ty Lue ruined our perfect run. |
How did Ty Lue end our perfect run? He was the only one that had a margin of success staying in front of Iverson and frustrating him.
People forget because Iverson stepped over him when he finally succeeded, but Ty Lue is one of the reasons Iverson didn't get much done in the 4th and his 5 steals were big for us.
| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | KBandKB wrote: | 1. Becky Hammon
2. Mark Jackson
3. Ettore Messina
4. Stan Van Gundy
5. Ty Lue
in that order |
You want Becky Hammon? Really? Just what this team needs more media attention and lets add political drama on top of it |
You only see it as "political drama" if you personally think she's only where she is currently, because she's a woman. Maybe don't go down that road. |
Regardless how i see it, it would cause drama... ofcourse it would |
Only from the people that don't want to hear the historical significance of her being the first Female head coach in NBA History.
it's a deserved moment and accolade and she'd deserve the accolades she'd get for it. That's not 'political' it's historic and particularly would be something she earned. And the people that want to go "get on with it" about that need to evaluate other things.
The most important thing is if Becky is the best person for the job and if we win. Those will be the determining factors. |
Believe whatever you want man but she not going to be the next coach and she shouldn't be |
Agree its not a road you want to go down. Remember that horrible female ref as soon as they got rid of her she claimed it was because she was a female. Not saying Hammons will fail but its best the state of this franchise with magic/bron/rest of the train wrecks to steer away from this for now |
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where24happens
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| There's a not a single player that would prefer a female head coach over a male. That's not sexist, that's reality. |
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Darth Los Angeles
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| where24happens wrote: | | There's a not a single player that would prefer a female head coach over a male. That's not sexist, that's reality. |
I wouldn't say that... Guys who are true students of the game would probably enjoy it being that most female basketball players are more skilled compared to male basketball players.
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kentu_tiro
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| MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | I'll never be able to get over how Ty Lue ruined our perfect run. |
How did Ty Lue end our perfect run? He was the only one that had a margin of success staying in front of Iverson and frustrating him.
People forget because Iverson stepped over him when he finally succeeded, but Ty Lue is one of the reasons Iverson didn't get much done in the 4th. |
Lue played up on a superstar like an idiot. Iverson baited him and got roasted.
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And if not for Ty Lue's defense in the 4th on Iverson the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime. |
Yeah if I remember correctly, Lue did a great job of frustrating Iverson throughout that series. Then I remember Fisher giving Iverson a facial. Ah that's fun! During Laker practices for the finals, Phil had Lue try and imitate Iverson so they can prepare better for his tendencies.
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| kentu_tiro wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | I'll never be able to get over how Ty Lue ruined our perfect run. |
How did Ty Lue end our perfect run? He was the only one that had a margin of success staying in front of Iverson and frustrating him.
People forget because Iverson stepped over him when he finally succeeded, but Ty Lue is one of the reasons Iverson didn't get much done in the 4th. |
Lue played up on a superstar like an idiot. Iverson baited him and got roasted.
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And if not for Ty Lue's defense in the 4th on Iverson the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime. |
Yeah if I remember correctly, Lue did a great job of frustrating Iverson throughout that series. Then I remember Fisher giving Iverson a facial. Ah that's fun! During Laker practices for the finals, Phil had Lue try and imitate Iverson so they can prepare better for his tendencies. |
Lue did a fantastic job on AI. From what I remember. One meme doesn’t tell the whole story. |
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PayasoLoco
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | There's a not a single player that would prefer a female head coach over a male. That's not sexist, that's reality. |
I wouldn't say that... Guys who are true students of the game would probably enjoy it being that most female basketball players are more skilled compared to male basketball players. |
maybe more fundamental but definitely not more skilled |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | kentu_tiro wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | I'll never be able to get over how Ty Lue ruined our perfect run. |
How did Ty Lue end our perfect run? He was the only one that had a margin of success staying in front of Iverson and frustrating him.
People forget because Iverson stepped over him when he finally succeeded, but Ty Lue is one of the reasons Iverson didn't get much done in the 4th. |
Lue played up on a superstar like an idiot. Iverson baited him and got roasted.
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And if not for Ty Lue's defense in the 4th on Iverson the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime. |
Yeah if I remember correctly, Lue did a great job of frustrating Iverson throughout that series. Then I remember Fisher giving Iverson a facial. Ah that's fun! During Laker practices for the finals, Phil had Lue try and imitate Iverson so they can prepare better for his tendencies. |
Lue did a fantastic job on AI. From what I remember. One meme doesn’t tell the whole story. |
Exactly. Iverson was roasting Fish until Lue neutralized him. Chump stepped over him only because he was frustrated by the only guy in the league who could match his speed. Blaming Lue just murders history. |
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| FO won't hire a rookie coach. |
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RG73
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| coldzim wrote: | | FO won't hire a rookie coach. |
Why not? They've done it before.
Walton, Dunleavy, Pfund, Riley, Westhead, West, Mullaney, van Breda Kolff, Schaus, Kundla....so basically all the way from Minneapolis through every other iteration of the team they have taken chances on first time head coaches.
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| Have you guys noticed that every time we want a new HC the press has always mentioned Mike Dunleavy? I Hope to god we don’t hear his name associated with the Lakers again, I could have sworn he was mentioned as a possibility a couple of years ago when we wanted a HC. |
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RG73
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Have you guys noticed that every time we want a new HC the press has always mentioned Mike Dunleavy? I Hope to god we don’t hear his name associated with the Lakers again, I could have sworn he was mentioned as a possibility a couple of years ago when we wanted a HC. |
They're not even going to mention him this time. They're going to find a different retread, but even they have enough sense of optics not to grant him an interview again. |
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| yawl know lakers getting ty lue...i dont understand why have this convo,,smh. |
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | I'll never be able to get over how Ty Lue ruined our perfect run. |
How did Ty Lue end our perfect run? He was the only one that had a margin of success staying in front of Iverson and frustrating him.
People forget because Iverson stepped over him when he finally succeeded, but Ty Lue is one of the reasons Iverson didn't get much done in the 4th and his 5 steals were big for us.
| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | KBandKB wrote: | 1. Becky Hammon
2. Mark Jackson
3. Ettore Messina
4. Stan Van Gundy
5. Ty Lue
in that order |
You want Becky Hammon? Really? Just what this team needs more media attention and lets add political drama on top of it |
You only see it as "political drama" if you personally think she's only where she is currently, because she's a woman. Maybe don't go down that road. |
Regardless how i see it, it would cause drama... ofcourse it would |
Only from the people that don't want to hear the historical significance of her being the first Female head coach in NBA History.
it's a deserved moment and accolade and she'd deserve the accolades she'd get for it. That's not 'political' it's historic and particularly would be something she earned. And the people that want to go "get on with it" about that need to evaluate other things.
The most important thing is if Becky is the best person for the job and if we win. Those will be the determining factors. |
Believe whatever you want man but she not going to be the next coach and she shouldn't be |
Agree its not a road you want to go down. Remember that horrible female ref as soon as they got rid of her she claimed it was because she was a female. Not saying Hammons will fail but its best the state of this franchise with magic/bron/rest of the train wrecks to steer away from this for now |
Becky is qualified and a Popovich disciple so I'd say she fits the criteria. All the other stuff doesn't matter, think about all the players that had respect for Pat Summitt.
If you can coach, you can coach, bottom line.
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| RG73 wrote: | | coldzim wrote: | | FO won't hire a rookie coach. |
Why not? They've done it before.
Walton, Dunleavy, Pfund, Riley, Westhead, West, Mullaney, van Breda Kolff, Schaus, Kundla....so basically all the way from Minneapolis through every other iteration of the team they have taken chances on first time head coaches. |
The team has done it before, but the question is if Magic would. |
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| Practice wrote: | | RG73 wrote: | | coldzim wrote: | | FO won't hire a rookie coach. |
Why not? They've done it before.
Walton, Dunleavy, Pfund, Riley, Westhead, West, Mullaney, van Breda Kolff, Schaus, Kundla....so basically all the way from Minneapolis through every other iteration of the team they have taken chances on first time head coaches. |
The team has done it before, but the question is if Magic would. |
Given the sort of judgement he’s shown, no reason he wouldn’t other than he’s going to go after a “name.” |
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| Wagner is gonna look real solid next year with a relevant coach |
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trablos
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| The last thing we need is a rookie head coach. I would love to bring Luke back in like 10 years, but he just doesn't have it right now. |
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| trablos wrote: | | The last thing we need is a rookie head coach. I would love to bring Luke back in like 10 years, but he just doesn't have it right now. |
There’s nothing wrong with hiring rookie coaches as long as they are smart and ready. Luke for example failed to put together a good enough staff and didn’t show much improvement. I also don’t trust the Phil coaching tree. |
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| When I think of any replacement, my initial thought is their experience. And right after that I'm wondering who their assistants are/will be. Luke could've done well had he hired the right assistants. |
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Luke failed because he refused to surround himself with assistants that could take advantage and make up for his weaknesses while he was learning the ropes, or just letting them do what they did well while he did what he did well.
A strong staff is what will always matter in the long run when it comes to being a rookie coach.
That was something Luke flat out refused to acknowledge he needed.
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