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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:50 pm    Post subject:

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I gather you think having books and photos bold green is normal. They don't have titles. They're red flags for me.

Do you have any in your library? Do you know anyone who does? If you do, do you consider them normal? Again, what I've read about Michael leads me to believe he was a pedophile.


And you're talking about me not looking at this objectively.

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Pornographic books, including images of naked children.


See how it says, INCLUDING images of naked children?

This means the images are not all of children, but of adults, too.

He had MANY art books, magazines that contained images of naked people, only a few pages contained an few image of a naked child.

This happens in a lot in art photography books where people are naked.

That's like saying someone who has a tape of an African village has child porn video because a baby child from Africa is naked.

Do I have any in my library? No, because these were sold in stores.

If you want a list of the books Jackson books they took from his possession, then here it is.

You can find the list of all the books at:
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https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com

They're not red flags. You strongly want to believe he had these books because he was a pedophile.

Thanks for the links. I did assume. I also still believe Michael was a pedophile. The red flags still exist for me. I can't blot his sleeping with children.

sleeping with children. or slumber party sleeping in the same room with a bunch of children? or being smashed together in the bed with a bunch of kids after watching movies.

that doesnt say pedo. that says a big kid that could possibly be a pedo. then you ask the kids" did he touch you?" they all say no. two of them corey and mj's nephew were molested by different people but they never named mike. i wonder why? the nephew has no reason to lie on mike when he had an uncle on the other side of his family that he told on. might as well tell on this uncle too.

but lets get back to the documentary.

after all the evidence presented. i'm not asking you about MJ. please stick to the question I'm asking for the sake of a non convoluted answer.

Do you believe Safechuck and Robson?

Yes or No. If Yes, why?

Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject:

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Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?
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Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject:

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Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:17 pm    Post subject:

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I'm of the opinion that there seems to be plenty of evidence to suggest that Michael was turned on by the sight of naked little boys, but there's reasonable doubt as to whether he actually touched their private parts when he shared a bed with them.

Besides the credibility of the victims' testimony, there's two things I'm struggling with. (BTW, I haven't watched Leaving Neverland yet, I wonder if/how I can watch it for free)

1. At least one psychologist testified in the trial that Michael was a regressed 10-year-old. Child abuse causes developmental delays and arrests, and 10 year olds have slumber parties and sleep in the same bed together. Maybe that was why Michael slept in the same bed with his accusers.

2. Is it possible that Michael was sexually turned on by the sight of naked boys, and that he jacked off to child porn while in bed with these kids, then encouraged the kids to (bleep) themselves but never actually brought himself to touch their private parts himself?


THIS is what I found on Youtube. The link has part 1 and 2.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject:

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Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.


I got that part wrong. I wondered why his father committed suicide? I thought it may have been because he was running a scam.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
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jodeke wrote:
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Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.


I got that part wrong. I wondered why his father committed suicide? I thought it may have been because he was running a scam.


He didn't leave a note, but he was bipolar and had a disease that left him in a lot of pain.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:54 pm    Post subject:

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jodeke wrote:
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Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.


I got that part wrong. I wondered why his father committed suicide? I thought it may have been because he was running a scam.


He didn't leave a note, but he was bipolar and had a disease that left him in a lot of pain.


Thanks for the civil exchange. The kick around has caused me to take a more objective look at Michael.

PnP made mention of a sleepover. What I've read about Michael gives that a real maybe. He may have had sleepovers but I also think he molested some of his sleepover partners.

IMO his accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck are in it for money. I'm conflicted as to whether or not Michael molested them.

I think Michael was trying to live a childhood he was robbed of. I also think he molested some children.
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jodeke wrote:
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jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:
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jodeke wrote:

Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.


I got that part wrong. I wondered why his father committed suicide? I thought it may have been because he was running a scam.





He didn't leave a note, but he was bipolar and had a disease that left him in a lot of pain.


Thanks for the civil exchange. The kick around has caused me to take a more objective look at Michael.

PnP made mention of a sleepover. What I've read about Michael gives that a real maybe. He may have had sleepovers but I also think he molested some of his sleepover partners.

IMO his accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck are in it for money. I'm conflicted as to whether or not Michael molested them.

I think Michael was trying to live a childhood he was robbed of. I also think he molested some children.


Jordan Chandler didn't say much in 1993 in regards to the allegations.

However, there's a more about the parents about how they were trying to get money from Michael Jackson.

When Jackson's car broke down in 1992. An employer at Rent-A-Wreck saw Michael Jackson and informed the owner David Schwartz that it was really Michael Jackson and he needed help.

David Schwartz calls his wife, June Chandler to come down and bring Jordan Chandler with her because he had a surprise for him.

Michael talked to them for about 10 minutes and June gave Michael their number and to call Jordan sometime.



Mel Green was an employed at Rent-A-Wreck and he makes this statement in 1994.

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“It was almost like she (June) was forcing [the boy] on him,” “I think Michael thought he owed the boy something, and that’s when it all started.”


Jordan during an interview said this what he was told by his step father.

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My stepfather took him [Michael] outside to choose a car for him to use. And I guess when my stepfather was outside he said, ‘You don’t have to pay for the car if you just take Jordie’s number and give him a call




Things started to turn when Michael Jackson refused to fund Evan Chandler's 20 million dollar movie project, along with making him a partner in Jackson's film production company.


Geraldine Hughes was a legal secretary that overheard the conversation in which Evan Chandler was trying to extort money from Michael Jackson.

She claims this is what she has heard.

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“It’s my ass that’s on the line and in danger of going to prison” Chandler yelling at Rothman after the allegations had made it to the public. He said that on August 24 1993 and it was the day Pellicano publicly mentioned the extortion.

Chandler to Rothman “I almost had a twenty million dollar deal”.

Rothman to Chandler
telling him over the phone that they had “to meet over the weekend” before speaking to the investigator “to make sure our stories are the same”.

Rothman to Chandler “we just have to stick to the plan, we cannot deviate from the plan”.

Pellicano to Rothman before the allegations “No way-that’s extortion”.



Mitteager was a reporter for The Globe and recorded his meeting with those involved in the 1993 case.

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PELLICANO: You have to understand something. I have nine kids. Michael [Jackson] plays with my baby. They crawl all over him. They pull his hair. They pull his nose. Sometimes he wears a bandage across his face. If I let my own kids (unintelligible) do you think there’s a chance?

MITTEAGER: Well, all things being equal, I would say, no.

PELLICANO: Not only that. If you sat this kid [Jordie Chandler] down like I did, as a matter of fact, he couldn’t wait to get up and go play video games. I said, “you don’t understand how serious this is. Your dad [Evan Chandler] is going to accuse Michael of sexual molestation. He going to say all kinds of stuff.” He [Jordie] says, “Yeah, my dad’s trying to get money.



Evan Chandler had to drug his child to come up with these allegations.

It doesn't surprise me that he got a court order to get away from his parents because of what they made him do.

This sites goes into full detail, even has a transcript of the extortion attempted.

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/history-vs-evanstory-the-1993-allegations-part-1/
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:

Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.


I got that part wrong. I wondered why his father committed suicide? I thought it may have been because he was running a scam.


He didn't leave a note, but he was bipolar and had a disease that left him in a lot of pain.


Thanks for the civil exchange. The kick around has caused me to take a more objective look at Michael.

PnP made mention of a sleepover. What I've read about Michael gives that a real maybe. He may have had sleepovers but I also think he molested some of his sleepover partners.

IMO his accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck are in it for money. I'm conflicted as to whether or not Michael molested them.

I think Michael was trying to live a childhood he was robbed of. I also think he molested some children.
Thanks for answering my question and being honest jo.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:

Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.


I got that part wrong. I wondered why his father committed suicide? I thought it may have been because he was running a scam.


He didn't leave a note, but he was bipolar and had a disease that left him in a lot of pain.


Thanks for the civil exchange. The kick around has caused me to take a more objective look at Michael.

PnP made mention of a sleepover. What I've read about Michael gives that a real maybe. He may have had sleepovers but I also think he molested some of his sleepover partners.

IMO his accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck are in it for money. I'm conflicted as to whether or not Michael molested them.

I think Michael was trying to live a childhood he was robbed of. I also think he molested some children.
Thanks for answering my question and being honest jo.


Allow me to clarify my YES answer. I believe parts of Robson and Safechuck's testimony. I think they embellished some.

Why wouldn't I be honest
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject:

What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:43 am    Post subject:

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What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.


What does Kobe have to do with this?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:31 am    Post subject:

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What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.


What does Kobe have to do with this?

Just watching the Michael Jackson fanbase rally around him to denounce his accusers reminded me of a not-insignificant portion of the Lakers fanbase in 2003.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.


What does Kobe have to do with this?

Just watching the Michael Jackson fanbase rally around him to denounce his accusers reminded me of a not-insignificant portion of the Lakers fanbase in 2003.


It's hard to believe accusers when they keep lying about their story.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:06 am    Post subject:

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What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.
kobe was never convicted. and the only reason the thing went that far was because the DA was up for re-election. But we'll never know what actually happened that night unless kobe tells us or the lady tells us. so thats that.

you're talking about mj fans rallying to defend him. wrong.

we're rallying to stop liars from making people like you who want to believe actual victims fall into a trap of believing liars and using that as fuel to say a possible innocent man was innocent of being a pedo at least in regards to these two guys. There is too much evidence saying that these two are lying and that mike never touched them, including their own words. I have never seen anything like this. Where you still try to fry someone just because you felt they were weird so they must have done it and now that a docudrama has dropped that is totally one sided (said the guy who created it) and thats all the evidence you need. even though there is zero actual evidence in there. just guys and their families words. which is weird because you believe their words when it fits your narrative of his guilty. but when it doesnt fit your narrative you dont believe them. remember they said he didnt touch them. let alone all the other evidence completely making them out to be liars and showing that they have motive(s). Anyone thinking these two guys are telling the truth are only doing so because it fits their narrative of weirdo jacko being a pedo. not that there's any actual evidence of that being true. which means, if they can do that to MJ. they can do it to you. but you dont see that. because you're too stuck on wanting to claim weirdo jacko as a pedo. We dont live in a 3rd world country were the laws are half baked. we're supposed to prove people's guilt. that has not happened at all in regards to MJ. not in the court of law and not even now when you put all the information out there. at least not with these 2 guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:22 am    Post subject:

RetroNikes wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.


What does Kobe have to do with this?

Just watching the Michael Jackson fanbase rally around him to denounce his accusers reminded me of a not-insignificant portion of the Lakers fanbase in 2003.


It's hard to believe accusers when they keep lying about their story.

Or Michael Jackson when he keeps lying about assaulting young boys.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.


What does Kobe have to do with this?

Just watching the Michael Jackson fanbase rally around him to denounce his accusers reminded me of a not-insignificant portion of the Lakers fanbase in 2003.


It's hard to believe accusers when they keep lying about their story.

Or Michael Jackson when he keeps lying about assaulting young boys.


You have no proof that he lied.

There's proof that the accusers have lied.
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jodeke wrote:
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jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
jodeke wrote:

Yes. I believe Michael is a pedophile.


And you believe he molested all of the accusers, even though they have been caught lying multiple times?

Not all. I wondered why Jordy Chandler committed suicide after Michael died?


Jordan Chandler did not commit suicide. His father did.


I got that part wrong. I wondered why his father committed suicide? I thought it may have been because he was running a scam.


He didn't leave a note, but he was bipolar and had a disease that left him in a lot of pain.


Thanks for the civil exchange. The kick around has caused me to take a more objective look at Michael.

PnP made mention of a sleepover. What I've read about Michael gives that a real maybe. He may have had sleepovers but I also think he molested some of his sleepover partners.

IMO his accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck are in it for money. I'm conflicted as to whether or not Michael molested them.

I think Michael was trying to live a childhood he was robbed of. I also think he molested some children.
Thanks for answering my question and being honest jo.


Allow me to clarify my YES answer. I believe parts of Robson and Safechuck's testimony. I think they embellished some.

Why wouldn't I be honest
Not you per se. but people do lie even when it's not necessary just to save face.
What has happened with this fake documentary is that it has caused people to believe something that isnt true based on safechuck's and wade's lies.

It doesn't mean portions of their accounts arent true. The best lie is to tell mostly the truth and leave out a couple of things.

"did you sleep with boys"

mj:: Yes

"see i told you he slept with boys.

Mj: wait. i shared a bed with a bunch of kids, some who were boys, some where girls. most of the time i slept on the floor. but there were times we fell asleep together watching movies. there was nothing sexual about the encounter.

"nope. to late, you just said you slept with boys."

^^thats how a lot of people get caught up when answering questions. there's a reason why they tell you to shut up and call your lawyer. because even when you're telling the truth you dont know if someone has an agenda or trying to push a motive on you where they will frame their questions a certain way to get certain answers. not actually looking for the truth but rather trying to catch you saying something inappropriate so they can go "A HAAAA!..GOT YOU"

..

Did you kill that guy?

"yes, I killed that guy?"

A haaa. see he's a murderer.


"wait.. I killed him in self defense, he was trying to kill me first."

nope, too late, you said you killed him.

"bu but wait, thats not what i meant when i said...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:48 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
RetroNikes wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
methdxman wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.


What does Kobe have to do with this?

Just watching the Michael Jackson fanbase rally around him to denounce his accusers reminded me of a not-insignificant portion of the Lakers fanbase in 2003.


It's hard to believe accusers when they keep lying about their story.

Or Michael Jackson when he keeps lying about assaulting young boys.
until you can show any proof of such a thing. then be quiet and stop pedaling gut feelings for actual truth. If you can prove it, then do so. until then...shhhh and listen to actual facts that are out there. and now you're smarter than the cops and the FBI i see. one of those agencies has a badge waiting for you with your name on it. go pick it up Detective Gut feeling.

and lastly, do you think that any one who says that someone has done something to them are all automatically telling the truth? no matter what is being shown to say otherwise? you just trust the accuser(not necessarily a victim. just someone who makes an accusation) Correct?

So lets play your game. hey Lg, I heard Baron Von Humongous is a known bank robber. he stole a lot of money a few years back. that guy is a terrible person. #CancelBaron
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I hadn't read the rest of the thread. I'm now backing slowly away. Good day to all.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject:

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What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.

How can you believe a woman who appeared for the rape exam wearing underwear stained with the sperm of another male. Kobe is a adulterer not a rapist. Katelyn Faber was after money and got paid. She also OD'd later.
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What a brutal watch. What a manipulative monster.

Also, Kobe is a rapist.

How can you believe a woman who appeared for the rape exam wearing underwear stained with the sperm of another male. Kobe is a adulterer not a rapist. Katelyn Faber was after money and got paid. She also OD'd later.
here's the truth jo. i dont think kobe did anything more than cheat on nessa. which is still a lot.

but just because the lady he slept with was the type to sleep around like crazy still doesnt mean she wasnt raped. you have to remember what rape is. its not always what you think. for all we know they had regular intercourse and kobe wanted to try something else that she didnt like and she said stop, and he kept going. still rape. and that happens a lot to women, with people they know, their boyfriends, even their husbands. still rape. so in reality we will never know. based on all the evidence i ASSUME kobe didnt rape the young lady. the same way with all the mounds of evidence i can't call MJ a pedo. there's just too much actual evidence that says otherwise. i sure dont believe these two liars. but again, could he have raped them? Yep. even with them lying for money. they may have really liked mj to the point they didnt want him to get in trouble back then. or all the stuff he did for them and their families. so they never told. and maybe they kept it to themselves until they themselves needed money but MJ wasnt around to give it to them. so they pull this move. a motive, lied some, and still may be telling the truth about the abuse. that could be the case. is it likely? NO, not based on ALL Of the evidence available to us.
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