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where24happens
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Kobe2Clark wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | 2013 was pretty pathetic with such a loaded roster |
This years roster is better than the 2013 roster if you remove Bron and Kobe from each team |
WTF? That team had Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol |
is this what we are saying now? because at the time, everyone was saying Pau is DONE and he is TRASH. GET RID OF HIM.
and dwight sucks. |
Maybe you didn't watch Laker games back then. Pau was still very capable, Dwight had a pretty solid season for us as well. Nash was washed up but still Nash. If you legitimately think our roster THIS YEAR was better than the 2013 squad then LOL don't know what to tell you |
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| ocho wrote: | | This is the worst time I’ve had as a fan watching the team. They underperformed and then they quit. |
100%
Even if those teams didn't meet expectations, they at least went down fighting.
This team didn't even bother to show up, which is 10x worse. |
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| where24happens wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Kobe2Clark wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | 2013 was pretty pathetic with such a loaded roster |
This years roster is better than the 2013 roster if you remove Bron and Kobe from each team |
WTF? That team had Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol |
is this what we are saying now? because at the time, everyone was saying Pau is DONE and he is TRASH. GET RID OF HIM.
and dwight sucks. |
Maybe you didn't watch Laker games back then. Pau was still very capable, Dwight had a pretty solid season for us as well. Nash was washed up but still Nash. If you legitimately think our roster THIS YEAR was better than the 2013 squad then LOL don't know what to tell you |
lol dude i love pau. i think pau is great and was still great at the time. this is what the forum was saying. its all right here to see.
oh im not saying this roster is better. and i'll take 2011 pau over lbj for that matter. don't even take kobe or lebron out, that roster was way better....kobe>>>lbj lol.
the real comparison is with the smush group. this team is worse than that, not necessarily because of our other guys, but because the leader is waaaay worse.
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Mike Brown turned Bynum into an all star. That's how we were able to turn him into Dwight Howard.
But our FO at the time thought Nash fitting in mattered more than the bigs. Anybody with 1/2 a brain knew MDA didn't know how to play 2 bigs together. BEFORE we hired him. Coach and roster didn't match. We would've been better off keeping Brown with that roster.
Also the fact that our past front office thought Byron Scott and DLO would mix well? That was idiotic too. If you draft DLO you keep MDA.
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| kikanga wrote: | Mike Brown turned Bynum into an all star. That's how we were able to turn him into Dwight Howard.
But our FO at the time thought Nash fitting in mattered more than the bigs. Anybody with 1/2 a brain knew MDA didn't know how to play 2 bigs together. BEFORE we hired him. Coach and roster didn't match. We would've been better off keeping Brown with that roster.
Also the fact that our past front office thought Byron Scott and DLO would mix well? That was idiotic too. If you draft DLO you keep MDA. |
please understand that all that was a plan B for the veto. That was damage control, it was chaos. It took a hand of god. DOn't compare 2011 moves to now, no team has ever had to deal with that. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Where would 2019 Rank among most Disappointing Laker's Season? |
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Kobe's 17 win season is not on the list, huh?? This season has been somewhat of a disappointment because we want Lebron in the playoffs, but we weren't expecting to get past GSW or anywhere past Round 2.
Part of the disappointment is to see Russel blossoming in Brooklyn - and we're like DAMN, WE COULD REALLY USE A GUY LIKE THAT!
Also seeing the Clippers doing so well is a disappointment.
But we are not mad at Lebron James.
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Four HOF's Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton all playing for a HOF coach Phil Jackson but lose to the Pistons in the Finals.
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Kobe's first season without Shaq nor Phil and Lakers miss making the Playoffs for only the 2nd time in team history.
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Lakers had 5 stars in Dwight, Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Nash, but Kobe hurts his Achilles and is out for the season, Lakers get swept in the 1st round.
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LeBron misses 18 games, Lakers start slipping down the standings and are likely not going to make the Playoffs. |
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| 2006 playoffs were also really disappointing to me. Yes, the Lakers were the underdog, but they had Phoenix on the ropes. Except for an unlucky rebound in game 6 they would have won the series and who knows how far they could have gone. |
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The Malone year was the worst because exepctations were so high and it was just a massive build up to a big let down.
This one has been more gradual. Waiting to turn that corner until finally realizong we never would and we gave up young pieces just to suck equally as bad. |
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Nash Vegas
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No mention of 2008?
Kobe demands a trade and for management to ship Bynum’s arse out! We get Pau Gasol and start rolling only to get embarrassed and massacred by Boston.
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| where24happens wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Kobe2Clark wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | 2013 was pretty pathetic with such a loaded roster |
This years roster is better than the 2013 roster if you remove Bron and Kobe from each team |
WTF? That team had Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol |
is this what we are saying now? because at the time, everyone was saying Pau is DONE and he is TRASH. GET RID OF HIM.
and dwight sucks. |
Maybe you didn't watch Laker games back then. Pau was still very capable, Dwight had a pretty solid season for us as well. Nash was washed up but still Nash. If you legitimately think our roster THIS YEAR was better than the 2013 squad then LOL don't know what to tell you |
Gasol missed 20 games +
Nash Missed 30 games +
Artest had a knee tear and was supposed to be out for 6-8 weeks and came back in 12 days.
Gasol got benched for Earl Clark when Kobe made that 2nd half run.
Kobe went to war with a lineup of:
Steve Blake
Kobe
Artest (injured as hell)
Earl Clark
Dwight
with a bench of Chris Duhon, Gasol, Darrius Morris.
Yeah. This roster is much better than Kobe's. Oh yeah they were also the oldest team in the league.
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It's disappointing b/c I had higher expectations, just like I did for Kobe's last playoff run (which was supposed to challenge the HEAT in the Finals).
The tanking years, we knew what to expect.
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1. 2013
2. This season
3. 2004
4. 2008
5. 2003 |
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where24happens
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| AirTupac wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Kobe2Clark wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | 2013 was pretty pathetic with such a loaded roster |
This years roster is better than the 2013 roster if you remove Bron and Kobe from each team |
WTF? That team had Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol |
is this what we are saying now? because at the time, everyone was saying Pau is DONE and he is TRASH. GET RID OF HIM.
and dwight sucks. |
Maybe you didn't watch Laker games back then. Pau was still very capable, Dwight had a pretty solid season for us as well. Nash was washed up but still Nash. If you legitimately think our roster THIS YEAR was better than the 2013 squad then LOL don't know what to tell you |
Gasol missed 20 games +
Nash Missed 30 games +
Artest had a knee tear and was supposed to be out for 6-8 weeks and came back in 12 days.
Gasol got benched for Earl Clark when Kobe made that 2nd half run.
Kobe went to war with a lineup of:
Steve Blake
Kobe
Artest (injured as hell)
Earl Clark
Dwight
with a bench of Chris Duhon, Gasol, Darrius Morris.
Yeah. This roster is much better than Kobe's. Oh yeah they were also the oldest team in the league. |
No offense this is dumb. If you're going to use injuries to artificially lower a loaded roster, then you need to rattle off the same injuries for Lebron, Lonzo, Rondo, Ingram, etc. Kobe, Dwight, and Pau is LEAGUES more talented than our combined roster, this is not even a debate, this is straight up common sense. |
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Nash Vegas
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Simply on paper: 2013 roster > 2019 roster
Not even close.
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2013 we had a great coach, we had Kobe/Pau/Dwight/Nash, even Jamison/MWP/Blake off the bench (decent but not great role players).
Kobe heroically took the team to the playoffs but then his career all but ended with the injury, Dwight was a pain, and we know the rest of the story.
2019 I expected us to make the playoffs, but understood the cake was not finished baking in the oven until this summer's FA. I'm very disappointed but had no delusions about a championship like I did for the 2013 season.
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | Simply on paper: 2013 roster > 2019 roster
Not even close. |
I disagree, and you have a short memory. Our starting lineup for the bulk of that season was Steve Blake, Kobe, Metta, Earl Clark and a broken Dwight Howard.
Other than Dwight and Kobe, that lineup was TRASH. If Kobe didn't tear his achilles, we were going to win the chip that year. |
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| where24happens wrote: | | AirTupac wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Kobe2Clark wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | 2013 was pretty pathetic with such a loaded roster |
This years roster is better than the 2013 roster if you remove Bron and Kobe from each team |
WTF? That team had Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol |
is this what we are saying now? because at the time, everyone was saying Pau is DONE and he is TRASH. GET RID OF HIM.
and dwight sucks. |
Maybe you didn't watch Laker games back then. Pau was still very capable, Dwight had a pretty solid season for us as well. Nash was washed up but still Nash. If you legitimately think our roster THIS YEAR was better than the 2013 squad then LOL don't know what to tell you |
Gasol missed 20 games +
Nash Missed 30 games +
Artest had a knee tear and was supposed to be out for 6-8 weeks and came back in 12 days.
Gasol got benched for Earl Clark when Kobe made that 2nd half run.
Kobe went to war with a lineup of:
Steve Blake
Kobe
Artest (injured as hell)
Earl Clark
Dwight
with a bench of Chris Duhon, Gasol, Darrius Morris.
Yeah. This roster is much better than Kobe's. Oh yeah they were also the oldest team in the league. |
No offense this is dumb. If you're going to use injuries to artificially lower a loaded roster, then you need to rattle off the same injuries for Lebron, Lonzo, Rondo, Ingram, etc. Kobe, Dwight, and Pau is LEAGUES more talented than our combined roster, this is not even a debate, this is straight up common sense. |
Pau was averaging 13/8 on 51% TS and only played 49 games, that Laker team also made the playoffs and won 45 games in the regular season. That team gets overrated just because of the big names but in reality it was the oldest team in the league and most of the big names were washed up and well out of their primes. That is why Kobe tore his Achilles having to play so many minutes just to get them to the playoffs. |
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| al242 wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Simply on paper: 2013 roster > 2019 roster
Not even close. |
I disagree, and you have a short memory. Our starting lineup for the bulk of that season was Steve Blake, Kobe, Metta, Earl Clark and a broken Dwight Howard.
Other than Dwight and Kobe, that lineup was TRASH. If Kobe didn't tear his achilles, we were going to win the chip that year. |
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2013.html
Lol, Gasol and Nash started way more games than Clark and Blake.
34 year old Kobe, same age as LeBron now, only missed 4 games prior to his Achilles and had a 2nd All-star putting up 17 points 12 rebounds 3 blocks on 58% and played 76 games.
Sixth man Antwan Jamison and Jordan Hill, Blake, Clark off the bench.
Our roster this year has been mostly LeBron Rondo Kuzma Ingram McGee. Aside from LeBron everyone has either been too inscosistent or as you say, old and trash.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr.81 wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | AirTupac wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | Kobe2Clark wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | 2013 was pretty pathetic with such a loaded roster |
This years roster is better than the 2013 roster if you remove Bron and Kobe from each team |
WTF? That team had Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol |
is this what we are saying now? because at the time, everyone was saying Pau is DONE and he is TRASH. GET RID OF HIM.
and dwight sucks. |
Maybe you didn't watch Laker games back then. Pau was still very capable, Dwight had a pretty solid season for us as well. Nash was washed up but still Nash. If you legitimately think our roster THIS YEAR was better than the 2013 squad then LOL don't know what to tell you |
Gasol missed 20 games +
Nash Missed 30 games +
Artest had a knee tear and was supposed to be out for 6-8 weeks and came back in 12 days.
Gasol got benched for Earl Clark when Kobe made that 2nd half run.
Kobe went to war with a lineup of:
Steve Blake
Kobe
Artest (injured as hell)
Earl Clark
Dwight
with a bench of Chris Duhon, Gasol, Darrius Morris.
Yeah. This roster is much better than Kobe's. Oh yeah they were also the oldest team in the league. |
No offense this is dumb. If you're going to use injuries to artificially lower a loaded roster, then you need to rattle off the same injuries for Lebron, Lonzo, Rondo, Ingram, etc. Kobe, Dwight, and Pau is LEAGUES more talented than our combined roster, this is not even a debate, this is straight up common sense. |
Pau was averaging 13/8 on 51% TS and only played 49 games, that Laker team also made the playoffs and won 45 games in the regular season. That team gets overrated just because of the big names but in reality it was the oldest team in the league and most of the big names were washed up and well out of their primes. That is why Kobe tore his Achilles having to play so many minutes just to get them to the playoffs. |
Yep. People forget how trash that roster really was for a BULK of the season. They get fooled with big names. Artest was on his last legs, Gasol was too, Dwight wasn't even supposed to be playing until December because of BACK surgery. Trash tier roster overall when you give significant minutes to Steve Blake and try out Darius Morris and Chris Duhon.
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2019 roster aside from LeBron doesn’t even have “big names”. 😂
And everyone from Rondo to Lonzo have been hurt also for the “BULK” of the season.
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You want big names?
Champions - RONDO, JAVALE, CHANDLER off the bench.
I mean thats what people are doing when they mention Nash and Gasol and Artest.
Kobe had Steve Blake and Chris Duhon at the PG spot to end the season, did he not? lmao.
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I think I am hearing from a couple of you that a team of Kuzma, BI, Lonzo, Rondo is better than the 2013 team of Dwight Howard, Gasol, Artest, and Nash. If the 2013 roster was trash, then what is our 2019 roster.  |
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Easiest way to resolve this.
Did the 2013 Lakers team get votes to get into the NBA Finals (national media, fans, etc.)? Absolutely.
Did the 2019 Lakers team get votes to to get into the NBA Finals? Absolutely not.
I wonder why.
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| where24happens wrote: | | I think I am hearing from a couple of you that a team of Kuzma, BI, Lonzo, Rondo is better than the 2013 team of Dwight Howard, Gasol, Artest, and Nash. If the 2013 roster was trash, then what is our 2019 roster. |
Youre still using big names to make an argument. Artest was a shell of himself. Gasol played himself out of the rotation and we had Earl Clark starting. If Gasol was such a stud, then why were the Lakers trying with other options at the 4? Nash was out for more than 30 games. Artest had a serious knee tear and wasn't even moving well to finish the last 2-3 months of the season. "BIG NAMES THO!!"
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| AirTupac wrote: | | where24happens wrote: | | I think I am hearing from a couple of you that a team of Kuzma, BI, Lonzo, Rondo is better than the 2013 team of Dwight Howard, Gasol, Artest, and Nash. If the 2013 roster was trash, then what is our 2019 roster. |
Youre still using big names to make an argument. Artest was a shell of himself. Gasol played himself out of the rotation and we had Earl Clark starting. If Gasol was such a stud, then why were the Lakers trying with other options at the 4? Nash was out for more than 30 games. Artest had a serious knee tear and wasn't even moving well to finish the last 2-3 months of the season. "BIG NAMES THO!!" |
So why were both the national media/fan base projecting that Lakers team to be a Finals team?
Did anyone seriously project this 2019 team to be a Finals team?
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