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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:36 am    Post subject:

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Again, you are touting the #4 in the WC trope.

Look at the other teams from 5-10 at the same time. They were .5-2.5 games back. Meaning, was too early in the season.

WE knew Lonzo had injury/durability concerns. BI has missed a good number of games. That's why you don't go out and spend a max slot on KCP/Rondo/Lance/Beez.

at worse we would've been 6th.

here's the thing. just because we didnt have shooters didnt mean we couldnt compete. we proved we could by smacking gstate. and denver.

you know darn well we would've ended up no less than 6th if bron didnt go down like that along with zo missing the rest of the year and then BI going down and rondo missing all that time.

yes we needed shooting. but even without it we were going to make the playoffs and you guys know it. why you fight it is hilarious. the only reason you guys fight it is because you never liked the roster because of the lack of shooters. so because you were mad about the original roster now you start as usual over exaggerating our poorly constructed the roster was. when in reality the roster was good enough to get into the Offs. which is all we were trying to do this year as far as on the court accomplishments were concerned. everything else was about cap space and looking for a possible early trade for that 2nd superstar or waiting for this summer or next to sign one out right. so then we can start building a real contender. no more one year rentals.
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Again, you are touting the #4 in the WC trope.

Look at the other teams from 5-10 at the same time. They were .5-2.5 games back. Meaning, was too early in the season.

WE knew Lonzo had injury/durability concerns. BI has missed a good number of games. That's why you don't go out and spend a max slot on KCP/Rondo/Lance/Beez.

at worse we would've been 6th.

here's the thing. just because we didnt have shooters didnt mean we couldnt compete. we proved we could by smacking gstate. and denver.

you know darn well we would've ended up no less than 6th if bron didnt go down like that along with zo missing the rest of the year and then BI going down and rondo missing all that time.

yes we needed shooting. but even without it we were going to make the playoffs and you guys know it. why you fight it is hilarious. the only reason you guys fight it is because you never liked the roster because of the lack of shooters. so because you were mad about the original roster now you start as usual over exaggerating our poorly constructed the roster was. when in reality the roster was good enough to get into the Offs. which is all we were trying to do this year as far as on the court accomplishments were concerned. everything else was about cap space and looking for a possible early trade for that 2nd superstar or waiting for this summer or next to sign one out right. so then we can start building a real contender. no more one year rentals.


That's the point. You have 34 year old star who will has insane mileage on him.

You have Lonzo/BI who have had injury issues in the past.

It wasn't exactly shocking when all three went out. You don't build teams assuming everything goes 100% right.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:44 am    Post subject:

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We were 21-14 on Christmas and just beat the crap out of GS..3rd seed...then the injuries happened. So your boom shots fired feels more like a 2 year olds water gun. But I do agree our coach completely sucks.


Some people are in denial about this. As I said, our injuries have been ordinary. Not devastating. Not cataclysmically unfair. Just ordinary. The stats speak for themselves. ....

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stop reading right there because thats false.
There's nothing ordinary about two of your starters being out for the season. now is there?


You're just in denial. We know that. Through March 1, our injuries were ordinary, and by March 1 we were done. I've posted the data. But you don't care, do you? You're committed to a narrative.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:45 am    Post subject:

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We were 21-14 on Christmas and just beat the crap out of GS..3rd seed...then the injuries happened. So your boom shots fired feels more like a 2 year olds water gun. But I do agree our coach completely sucks.


Some people are in denial about this. As I said, our injuries have been ordinary. Not devastating. Not cataclysmically unfair. Just ordinary. The stats speak for themselves. ....

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stop reading right there because thats false.
There's nothing ordinary about two of your starters being out for the season. now is there?


You're just in denial. We know that. Through March 1, our injuries were ordinary, and by March 1 we were done. I've posted the data. But you don't care, do you? You're committed to a narrative.


I don't know why I keep taking the PnP bait...
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Boredom I'd guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject:

None of the injuries excuse consistently losing to cellar dwelling teams, then subsequently beating playoff quality teams when the G-leaguers came in.

Injuries had an effect no doubt, but the main cause of implosion was the destruction of morale caused by trade rumors and needlessly shipping away a popular player in Zubac.

If we had no injuries, we would have probably made the playoffs... but then it would have masked the dysfunction and stupidity present in the front office.

In a perverse way this could be a blessing in disguise, like the way someone might break their arm... only to find some cancerous tumors.

One of the tumors has been removed, the other is being treated with radiation instead.

Both should be gone, but we will see if Jeanie's treatment protocol works.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject:

Don't worry, the Lakers fired Trainer Nunez, so the Lakers shouldn't have any more injuries from here on out........


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:50 am    Post subject:

splashmtn wrote:
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We were 21-14 on Christmas and just beat the crap out of GS..3rd seed...then the injuries happened. So your boom shots fired feels more like a 2 year olds water gun. But I do agree our coach completely sucks.


Some people are in denial about this. As I said, our injuries have been ordinary. Not devastating. Not cataclysmically unfair. Just ordinary. The stats speak for themselves. ....

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stop reading right there because thats false.
There's nothing ordinary about two of your starters being out for the season. now is there?


We didn’t have any starters out for the season
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:51 am    Post subject:

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Again, you are touting the #4 in the WC trope.

Look at the other teams from 5-10 at the same time. They were .5-2.5 games back. Meaning, was too early in the season.

WE knew Lonzo had injury/durability concerns. BI has missed a good number of games. That's why you don't go out and spend a max slot on KCP/Rondo/Lance/Beez.

at worse we would've been 6th.

here's the thing. just because we didnt have shooters didnt mean we couldnt compete. we proved we could by smacking gstate. and denver.

you know darn well we would've ended up no less than 6th if bron didnt go down like that along with zo missing the rest of the year and then BI going down and rondo missing all that time.

yes we needed shooting. but even without it we were going to make the playoffs and you guys know it. why you fight it is hilarious. the only reason you guys fight it is because you never liked the roster because of the lack of shooters. so because you were mad about the original roster now you start as usual over exaggerating our poorly constructed the roster was. when in reality the roster was good enough to get into the Offs. which is all we were trying to do this year as far as on the court accomplishments were concerned. everything else was about cap space and looking for a possible early trade for that 2nd superstar or waiting for this summer or next to sign one out right. so then we can start building a real contender. no more one year rentals.


That's the point. You have 34 year old star who will has insane mileage on him.

You have Lonzo/BI who have had injury issues in the past.

It wasn't exactly shocking when all three went out. You don't build teams assuming everything goes 100% right.


injury history in the past for the two kids has nothing to do with the injuries they dealt with this time, especially not BI. and if you're going to use the their injury prone then they surely should've been traded or AD or should be traded for someone in the near future. but you're not saying that either. trying to have it both ways again.

yes lebron has miles on him. he had miles on him last year, still didnt get injured like that. again, there was no way we were going to build a team to sustain that many injuries when we dont yet have our 2nd star. why do you guys keep acting like this season was supposed to be a contender season? when you guys know it wasnt.
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injury history in the past for the two kids has nothing to do with the injuries they dealt with this time, especially not BI. and if you're going to use the their injury prone then they surely should've been traded or AD or should be traded for someone in the near future. but you're not saying that either. trying to have it both ways again.

yes lebron has miles on him. he had miles on him last year, still didnt get injured like that. again, there was no way we were going to build a team to sustain that many injuries when we dont yet have our 2nd star. why do you guys keep acting like this season was supposed to be a contender season? when you guys know it wasnt.


And yet Lonzo misses 30+ games for the 2nd year; BI misses 23+ games for the 2nd year but we're suprised and shocked!

Why do you keep acting like this season was supposed be another lottery season when you knew it wasn't?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:01 am    Post subject:

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We were 21-14 on Christmas and just beat the crap out of GS..3rd seed...then the injuries happened. So your boom shots fired feels more like a 2 year olds water gun. But I do agree our coach completely sucks.


Some people are in denial about this. As I said, our injuries have been ordinary. Not devastating. Not cataclysmically unfair. Just ordinary. The stats speak for themselves. ....

.....
stop reading right there because thats false.
There's nothing ordinary about two of your starters being out for the season. now is there?


We didn’t have any starters out for the season


BI and Zo were both starters this season. what are you talking about?
They both 30 or more games this season.

Rondo missed over 30 games this season,

Bron missed 27.

People this is the western conference, you can't survive that. now say we have AD and Bron and the kids. then sure AD could've held us down so we could barely squeak in at the 8th spot . assuming he didnt go down too like the rest of the bunch.
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injury history in the past for the two kids has nothing to do with the injuries they dealt with this time, especially not BI. and if you're going to use the their injury prone then they surely should've been traded or AD or should be traded for someone in the near future. but you're not saying that either. trying to have it both ways again.

yes lebron has miles on him. he had miles on him last year, still didnt get injured like that. again, there was no way we were going to build a team to sustain that many injuries when we dont yet have our 2nd star. why do you guys keep acting like this season was supposed to be a contender season? when you guys know it wasnt.


And yet Lonzo misses 30+ games for the 2nd year; BI misses 23+ games for the 2nd year but we're suprised and shocked!

Why do you keep acting like this season was supposed be another lottery season when you knew it wasn't?
wait, so again you can't have it both ways. you're saying they are injury prone. fine. TRADE THEM THEN.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject:

This is it. Worst thread on the site right now. Good grief.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject:

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This is it. Worst thread on the site right now. Good grief.


The only thing injured is logic.
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Some of you walk into a public restroom and expect it not to smell.


But sometimes I like to smell the bottom of my shoe for no reason too. (you know y'all do it too).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:44 am    Post subject:

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We didn’t have any starters out for the season


BI and Zo were both starters this season. what are you talking about?
They both 30 or more games this season.


The season has 82 games. Furthermore, a high percentage of the games missed by Ball, Ingram, and even Lebron came after March 1, when we were out of serious contention for the playoffs. (After March 1, we were 30-32 with 20 games left. With the benefit of hindsight, we know that the team needed to go 18-2 down the stretch to have a shot at the playoffs.) If we had been in playoff contention, Ball would probably have come back, Lebron would still have been playing, and even Ingram might have made it back. Instead, we just shut everyone down and tanked.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:51 am    Post subject:

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Because other teams get hurt and succeed.
start naming names mike.
What other team with one superstar has said star go down for that long and come back at about 80%, while also having their starting pg go down, their backup pg go down, then come back and go down again, having their backup C go down and never really come back healthy(yet)..while also having their starting PF and starting SG/SF keep going in and out the lineup. Show me the teams Mike where that happens and those teams maintain a winning record let alone a playoff birth. I'll wait.


Denver.

Check out the game starts.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2019.html

GSW is an obvious answer.
Houston.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2019.html

San Antonio
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2019.html


Other than Denver, these other teams had established superstars, prior winning seasons, quality vets, and cohension in place. Not a good comparison at all.

Denver is a freak of nature...I honestly hope the Lakers can learn something from that team.
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splashmtn wrote:
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Because other teams get hurt and succeed.
start naming names mike.
What other team with one superstar has said star go down for that long and come back at about 80%, while also having their starting pg go down, their backup pg go down, then come back and go down again, having their backup C go down and never really come back healthy(yet)..while also having their starting PF and starting SG/SF keep going in and out the lineup. Show me the teams Mike where that happens and those teams maintain a winning record let alone a playoff birth. I'll wait.


The Clippers have no superstars, lose a top player in Gallo for a period but still are in the playoff hunt. Their roster is balanced with backups that can play. We have none of that.


The Clippers have better vets, and a much better head coach.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:03 am    Post subject:

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A poorly constructed team is why we lose games, every team has injuries.


* Arguably the top 5 player that has ever played...Lebron
* A number 2 all around NBA draftee known for his defense and passing skills...Ball
* A number 2 all around NBA draftee widely considered to be a future allstar...Ingram
* A vet and champion who played key minutes and performed very well in the NBA finals...McGee
* A defensive stopper and a vet known for creating his own shots...Lance
* A 3-point specialist and proven outside shooter...Caldwell Pope
* A proven vet and solid locker room guy...Chandler
* A young player known for playing solid d againt bigger players...Hart
* A young player known for putting up big offensive numbers...Kuzma
* A finals vet and former champion as well as allstar...Rondo

Poorly constructed...yep.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:08 am    Post subject:

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It was the injuries...just like Kobe's observation.

We were fine before Bron went down and the groin injury kept him out of shape.

Shut them down Lonzo, Bron and Kuz.

The AD talks were also contributory.


Kobe, Shaq, and the entire Laker team said injuries derailed the season. For some reason, LG fans see something different than the pros actually playing, or who have played the game.

Fan-vision, Kobe said it best about LA Laker fans. Didn't like it then, but totally get it now. Won't go there, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:12 am    Post subject:

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It is a myth that we have an unusual number of injuries. This is a common misperception in sports: fans of a team do not have a basis for comparing their team's injuries to the injuries on other teams.

Go here, and find the chart that was posted on March 2:

https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA

The x-axis is the total games lost due to injury. The size of the bubble is based on the impact of the games lost, based on one of the metrics (I don't remember which one they use -- maybe win shares). There are ten or more teams that have bubbles about the same size as ours. (The underlying data is behind a pay wall. If someone feels like dropping the bucks, go for it.)

So yes, it comes down to team construction. We could not withstand a level of injuries that was ordinary.


Funny how the TC ignores this post since it basically destroys his argument on an objective basis.

Top 5 teams with most games missed by injured players

1. DEN
2. CLE
3. PHI
4. BRK
5. CHI

Top 5 teams with wins lost due to injured players

1. GSW
2. CLE
3. TOR
4. NOP
5. HOU

Lakers no where near either list, so injury excuse doesn't fly.


So I guess several NBA analysts, NBA legends, and the entire Laker roster is wrong. But hey, you're right, so that's all that counts
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:12 am    Post subject:

Injuries was the key to this failed season, but the trigger point was actually Mcgee. Let me break it down for us to remember.

Game 2 Lost Rondo & BI suspension (started 0-3 new team figuring the proper lineup)
Game 6 Rondo returns record was (2-3)
Game 7 BI returns record was (2-4). (Begining of the Ball,BI,LBJ,Kuz,Mcgee)
Game 14 Rondo injured in game record was (8-6)
Game 24 BI injured record was (15-9) Ball,BI, LBJ, Kuz, Mcgee is balling (went 13-5 with that lineup)
Game 29 Mcgee went down record (18-11) This is the start of our downfall but Hart filled in well for BI.

Next 2 game we experimented with the small ball and failed miserably

Game 32 Rondo & BI returns record 18-13 also went back to the traditional center place Zu
Game 34 LBJ and Rondo injured in game record 20-14.
Game 37 Mcgee returns record 20-16 but just not the same guy after the pneumonia
Game 47 Zo injured last game he played record 25-22 (now will be without LBJ,Zo,Rondo & less than 100% Mcgee). This is where the season is lost.
Game 49 Rondo returns record 25-23
Game 52 LBJ returns record 27-25 but just not his old self
Game 55 Trade for Bullock and Muscala record 27-27 team is a mess no set lineup, LBJ not back to his old self and Mcgee seems like have not yet recovered.
Game 57 All star break record 28-29
Game 63 Bi injured record 30-33

Note: Didn't know when Hart's knee or when Kuz back problem started all contributed to the season.

My overall take of the season is that the BALL,LBJ,MCGEE is a key to the season failure. Ball is the key player to the season just for his energy and def alone. Mcgee is getting sick contributed greatly to our failed season. We just a mess of a club with inconsistent lineup all throughout the year. For a team built to learn to play with each other this year losing so many player left n right cause us the cohesion time we need to be a good team.

Moving forward next season, BALL,BI,LBJ,KUZ,MCGEE is a must CARUSO, WILLIAM, HART, JONES will be good energy form the bench. We have 6 spot remaining (2 way included) along with Wagner and #1. We need another superstar, a dead eye shooter, stretch big (Muscala played well in the end of season), a backup big (preferably energy type D anchor).


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I expect at least one of the toilets to not be on fire.
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