Why do we do this every time? When Injuries are by far the #1 reason we are losing games
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:06 pm    Post subject:

dabask11 wrote:
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Aeneas Hunter wrote:
It is a myth that we have an unusual number of injuries. This is a common misperception in sports: fans of a team do not have a basis for comparing their team's injuries to the injuries on other teams.

Go here, and find the chart that was posted on March 2:

https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA

The x-axis is the total games lost due to injury. The size of the bubble is based on the impact of the games lost, based on one of the metrics (I don't remember which one they use -- maybe win shares). There are ten or more teams that have bubbles about the same size as ours. (The underlying data is behind a pay wall. If someone feels like dropping the bucks, go for it.)

So yes, it comes down to team construction. We could not withstand a level of injuries that was ordinary.


Funny how the TC ignores this post since it basically destroys his argument on an objective basis.

Top 5 teams with most games missed by injured players

1. DEN
2. CLE
3. PHI
4. BRK
5. CHI

Top 5 teams with wins lost due to injured players

1. GSW
2. CLE
3. TOR
4. NOP
5. HOU

Lakers no where near either list, so injury excuse doesn't fly.

wrong. all statistics have to be within context. and no one is avoiding a thing.

Its not just the sheer total number of injuries. its' WHO gets injured.

in football if your RB gets hurt but we know most teams are not running everything thru their RB, you can survive. but if you QB gets hurt, than your backup QB gets hurt, then your 3rd string QB gets hurt, then 2 of your WRs gets hurt. then your backup qb comes back. then your RB comes back, then your back QB goes down again, now you ask your TE to play QB and TE.
This is what the lakers have had to deal with.

again, you can't pull any one stat and say "SEE" it doesnt work that way. if you want to play the stat game. you will need to pull multiple stats and talk about what each of these players contribute to their teams or dont contribute.

I mean lets say some guy on the edge of the bench has been hurt for 70 of the 82 games. thats some guy boosting the total injury days off number for the entire team making it looked like they lost 82 games to injury when in reality that guy wasnt going to play much anyway.

and then it does not tell you what happens if you keep having to have the healthy guys cover the spots for the injured guys. what happens to their games on offense AND defense. Is there an Energy level stat? maybe, but i dont know of any.

Guys, I'm not trying to take away the Cons of Jeanie Buss, Magic/Pelinka, Luke, Bron, the kids, the vets, begging for stars over going all in on the kids, etc. Not excusing anything that could be or was/is negative. I'm just saying we go thru this year in and year out. even some of those previous seasons we would've won a lot more games if it wasnt for the ridiculous amt of injuries and the back and forth injuries to different key guys. its one thing for one guy to be hurt. thats bad enough if said guy is a key cog. but you almost learn how to play without him after awhile. but to have him down for a 2 weeks, then back in, then down for a month. then back in. then to lose another guy for 6 weeks then back in, then another guy down for 6+ weeks, then back in. another guy down for a week then back in, another in and out. that is the chemistry killer. the little chem you could get with a 1 year group of vets and kids + bron is out the window the moment guys start getting hurt at that kind of frequency. There is no stat for that(YET). if there is, please hit us all with a link to the Chemistry/Cohesion as it relates to injuries....stat.


https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA/status/1101977626971787264

The link posted by AH does add who's injured in context to the stats. The bigger the bubble, the more impactful the injuries are to the team. The laker's bubble isn't bigger than most teams and is located right in the middle of games missed by players. This is why the lakers are on neither top 5 list and as AH stated earlier, shows the injury excuse is a myth.

So even with context, the injury excuse doesn't fly for the lakers


Injury excuse doesn't fly? What absolute nonsense.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject:

King Randle wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
splashmtn wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
It is a myth that we have an unusual number of injuries. This is a common misperception in sports: fans of a team do not have a basis for comparing their team's injuries to the injuries on other teams.

Go here, and find the chart that was posted on March 2:

https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA

The x-axis is the total games lost due to injury. The size of the bubble is based on the impact of the games lost, based on one of the metrics (I don't remember which one they use -- maybe win shares). There are ten or more teams that have bubbles about the same size as ours. (The underlying data is behind a pay wall. If someone feels like dropping the bucks, go for it.)

So yes, it comes down to team construction. We could not withstand a level of injuries that was ordinary.


Funny how the TC ignores this post since it basically destroys his argument on an objective basis.

Top 5 teams with most games missed by injured players

1. DEN
2. CLE
3. PHI
4. BRK
5. CHI

Top 5 teams with wins lost due to injured players

1. GSW
2. CLE
3. TOR
4. NOP
5. HOU

Lakers no where near either list, so injury excuse doesn't fly.

wrong. all statistics have to be within context. and no one is avoiding a thing.

Its not just the sheer total number of injuries. its' WHO gets injured.

in football if your RB gets hurt but we know most teams are not running everything thru their RB, you can survive. but if you QB gets hurt, than your backup QB gets hurt, then your 3rd string QB gets hurt, then 2 of your WRs gets hurt. then your backup qb comes back. then your RB comes back, then your back QB goes down again, now you ask your TE to play QB and TE.
This is what the lakers have had to deal with.

again, you can't pull any one stat and say "SEE" it doesnt work that way. if you want to play the stat game. you will need to pull multiple stats and talk about what each of these players contribute to their teams or dont contribute.

I mean lets say some guy on the edge of the bench has been hurt for 70 of the 82 games. thats some guy boosting the total injury days off number for the entire team making it looked like they lost 82 games to injury when in reality that guy wasnt going to play much anyway.

and then it does not tell you what happens if you keep having to have the healthy guys cover the spots for the injured guys. what happens to their games on offense AND defense. Is there an Energy level stat? maybe, but i dont know of any.

Guys, I'm not trying to take away the Cons of Jeanie Buss, Magic/Pelinka, Luke, Bron, the kids, the vets, begging for stars over going all in on the kids, etc. Not excusing anything that could be or was/is negative. I'm just saying we go thru this year in and year out. even some of those previous seasons we would've won a lot more games if it wasnt for the ridiculous amt of injuries and the back and forth injuries to different key guys. its one thing for one guy to be hurt. thats bad enough if said guy is a key cog. but you almost learn how to play without him after awhile. but to have him down for a 2 weeks, then back in, then down for a month. then back in. then to lose another guy for 6 weeks then back in, then another guy down for 6+ weeks, then back in. another guy down for a week then back in, another in and out. that is the chemistry killer. the little chem you could get with a 1 year group of vets and kids + bron is out the window the moment guys start getting hurt at that kind of frequency. There is no stat for that(YET). if there is, please hit us all with a link to the Chemistry/Cohesion as it relates to injuries....stat.


https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA/status/1101977626971787264

The link posted by AH does add who's injured in context to the stats. The bigger the bubble, the more impactful the injuries are to the team. The laker's bubble isn't bigger than most teams and is located right in the middle of games missed by players. This is why the lakers are on neither top 5 list and as AH stated earlier, shows the injury excuse is a myth.

So even with context, the injury excuse doesn't fly for the lakers


Injury excuse doesn't fly? What absolute nonsense.



Injuries are part of the why this season was bad but it is nowhere near close to being the main reason. As others have already pointed out, other teams suffered more injuries to key players and they still managed to win enough games. Yes you can argue the Lebron is the best player in the NBA and that it doesn't compare but Lebron hasn't been playing like the best player ever since he came back and we are still losing to tanking teams. What about Lonzo? Well if we have to rely on Lonzo to beat garbage teams than it just highlights how poorly the team in constructed. Rondo had some injuries this year but he is overrated and has more bad games than good games.


People saying injuries are the main reason are just in full denial that our roster just sucks and our coach sucks too.

Even if we were 100% fully healthy, we weren't that good. Boom Shots Fired!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject:

I agree that injuries are a big part. But not the sole part.

We have been terrible all year with Kuzma starting at center. But we through away Zubac for nothing. Muscala doesn't give us any more than Beasley gave us. Somebody who can play a few minutes and hit some shots.

I'm convinced that if we hadn't done that trade, we would have won a few more games and been in the playoff hunt.

Oh well, time to tank.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:37 pm    Post subject:

From another thread:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
Before the FO feels compelled to trade our YUTES:

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LeBron James, Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram only managed to share the court in 23 games this year.

They went 15-8 with a +5.3 net rating, and a 99.9 defensive rating in 373 minutes.

This would be the 4th-best net rating, and the best defensive rating in the league.


It can work out. You need to use that max cap space well and not get chumps like KCP/Lance, etc.

And the '16-'17 starters with DLO/ Nick Young/ Deng/ Randle/ Mozgov also had a great net rating (+10ish iirc). The thing about good teams is they can handle losing a player or two to injury. Lonzo is not so good that with LeBron, Kuzma, and Ingram the team should look this hopeless.

That brittleness (of looking bad when losing even one player to injury) is evidence of this roster's weakness, not strength.


Injuries derail our season not because we have bad luck but because we are a bad team with little depth. Luke seems to do a pretty solid job finding combinations that work with the team healthy, but when we lose key pieces to those combinations our team folds like a cheap suit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:33 pm    Post subject:

Ball had injury issues last season. Rondo is getting up in age and has also had brittleness issues. They drafted what is obviously a project in Bonga. They should have been able to do a proper assessment last season and determined that Caruso is a fringe NBA player. Yet they didn't have an actual veteran PG on the roster as insurance in case that Rondo and/or Ball had injury issues.

If the FO viewed lack of depth at PG/initiator as a serious issue that needed immediate attention, then why was Melo the player that they were giving serious consideration to adding? Melo is just about the complete opposite of what they need. New Orleans waived Tim Frazier on February 28 and as far as I can tell hasn't been picked up by any NBA team. Frazier isn't a star, but they could have given him a 10 day contract and seen how it went.


They were able to get LeBron as a free agent, but they are struggling with the small details such as having a plan in place in case one or both of their two Point Guards would be missing a notable number of games.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:59 pm    Post subject:

Brooklyn already had Russell and Dimwiddie on the roster as point guards, but they signed Napier as a third PG. The Nets and the rest of the NBA teams have to operate under the same roster size limits. Magic & Pelinka choose to not have an adequate third PG on the roster and when things went wrong with the two PG setup, they are supposed to be able to use injuries as a valid excuse?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject:

There are two separate ideas here..

1. Injuries are an excuse that makes the team and fans feel better about their losing

2. Injuries are a reason that the team was unable to build continuity and win games due to lack of our most important players

As for the first one, you can argue about it until you're blue in the face. It's not really relevant once it's all said and done.

As for the second, it is simply an observation that cannot be ignored. It's like having an awful job where you colleagues and managers are trying to sabotage you at every turn, then during you're exit interview you are told you were being let go because you weren't producing enough.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:32 pm    Post subject:

“LeBron James, Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram only managed to share the court in 23 games this year.

They went 15-8 with a +5.3 net rating, and a 99.9 defensive rating in 373 minutes.

This would be the 4th-best net rating, and the best defensive rating in the league.”

Via @jason_timpf
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:38 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Because other teams get hurt and succeed.


Mm hmm.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:11 pm    Post subject:

non-player zealot wrote:
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Because other teams get hurt and succeed.


Mm hmm.

Tell this to the 2009 Celts, 2015 Cavs, and 2018 Rockets
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:18 pm    Post subject:

The injuries that are killing this team have been diagnosed as Lebron and Magic. But go ahead and continue to lie to yourselves and pretedn those are not the problems.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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This team won 35 games last year without a single all star. Lonzo missed his 30 games, BI was out for 20.

The roster was a bit deeper and better constructed, even if it lacked the elite top end talent of LBJ.
you do realize the season aint over right?

and you do realize you just named w players missing a lot of games. lets go over this again.

LBJ went down for how long?
HOw many games did rondo miss?
How many games have zo and is zo going to miss if he never comes back?
How many games has BI missed?
How many games has kuz missed including the one he played like 5 mins in because he went down early?

How many games has josh hart tried to play on that bum knee?

How many games has Chandler not played/couldnt play many mins because his body aint right.


zo, bi, josh are all young, still missed games.
Bron is aging, rondo is aging even though the injuries for rondo have nothing to do with age.
Chandler is old now. but we were not playing him a ton.

Dont confuse poor roster construction means you can't win it all, to meaning poor roster construction meaning you cant make the playoffs, when we were clearly making the playoffs until the rash of injuries killed us time and time again. we're still getting hurt laker fans. we just lost 2 more guys. and you guys are still going to play like you are not seeing that? crazy


And this may be a footnote in history, but in reality, they're just excusing the poor decisions.

Let me ask you this then, if you're saying it's only about the injuries, would you double down on this team and bring back KCP/Rondo/Lance/Beez again this summer?

I mean, it's only the injuries right? (and the answer is hell no).

What are asking me? Would I bring back this team for a one and done season if I know we're not getting any Fa's this summer and we're waiting on AD the next? Sure. why not. We aint winning anything without that 2nd star and thats a tough maybe at that with him.

So if you're asking do i like this team? hellz no. but that aint the point because we all knew what this year was about, I knew, Magic/Rob knew, LBJ knew, The kids knew. This was sign bron year and get that FA later whether that be by late trade at the deadline or in the summer. even if we would've gotten AD this season. we would not have been a contender because the rest of the roster would not have been filled properly and those two main guns would not have the proper chemistry in that little amt of time.

When I say its all about the injuries. I'm not saying with full health we would not have beaten anyone that mattered come playoff time. We would've bothered gstate a bit, we are like nats to them at least and thats about it. now depending on where we would've landed once it was all said and done. we could've got into the 2nd round. Nuggs would've spanked us in 5 or 6, didnt want to see them first round. but the point remains, this year was a get to the offs for the kids year thats it. that can't happen with one star who went down for an extended amt of time and all your other elite playmakers missed all that time, then other guys keep going down(in and out).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject:

ChickenBeckerman wrote:
“LeBron James, Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram only managed to share the court in 23 games this year.

They went 15-8 with a +5.3 net rating, and a 99.9 defensive rating in 373 minutes.

This would be the 4th-best net rating, and the best defensive rating in the league.”

Via @jason_timpf


But also wasn't that against the weakest part of our schedule? I think the vast majority of those wins were against teams that didn't make the playoffs.

I don't know for a minute believe that foursome would be a .666 and top 4 defense for an entire season.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:15 pm    Post subject:

It always seems the injury bug hits us the hardest. The Lakers need to look into the medical aspect of things.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:51 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
ChickenBeckerman wrote:
“LeBron James, Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram only managed to share the court in 23 games this year.

They went 15-8 with a +5.3 net rating, and a 99.9 defensive rating in 373 minutes.

This would be the 4th-best net rating, and the best defensive rating in the league.”

Via @jason_timpf


But also wasn't that against the weakest part of our schedule? I think the vast majority of those wins were against teams that didn't make the playoffs.

I don't know for a minute believe that foursome would be a .666 and top 4 defense for an entire season.

it aint that hard. the nba is not going in the direction of defensive teams or defenders. so if you care a little bit you will be top 10. if you care more than a bit and know you cant hang your hat on shooting or free throws you better play some defense. which is exactly what that laker group was doing. remember they didnt even start truthfully clicking like that yet. how good could that defense have been with more than 23 games together?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:56 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Brooklyn already had Russell and Dimwiddie on the roster as point guards, but they signed Napier as a third PG. The Nets and the rest of the NBA teams have to operate under the same roster size limits. Magic & Pelinka choose to not have an adequate third PG on the roster and when things went wrong with the two PG setup, they are supposed to be able to use injuries as a valid excuse?
its not just that position. what part of that dont you guys get.

It's multiple players at multiple positions dropping one after the other. then some of the main guys being gone for long stretches. we lost rondo twice for two long stretches. we're not talking about a 2 game ankle sprain either.

zo is still gone. kuz just went down AGAIN. BI is questionable.

Muscala was hurt, Mo wags was hurt. Chandler was/is hurt(old). Mcgee is burned out. because for every guard zo, rondo, hart/sg/sf that goes down, Bi too since they have him playing SG at times... every guard that goes down is yet another guard on the other team rushing the rack and forcing mcgee to help way too often.

its a domino effect.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:05 pm    Post subject:

Theseus wrote:
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Injuries doesn't explain why we traded a young productive player for an unproductive older player.


Yeah every time I want to look back and say injuries hurt the team and we were tracking well before them. I remember this.
who are we talking about? Zu. Zu produced on offense and looked good some nights. then got worked over other nights. there's a reason he was on the bubble again this season. just because you see a kid go on a nice little stretch doesnt mean he figured it ALL out. it could mean simply the right circumstances were there to make him look good. the team we played doesnt have anyone that can guard him. and he doesnt have to worry about guarding a high level player at his position. its like us getting Kanter. great game in the paint, but can't guard a soul. but the nights he doesnt have to guard the C due to the fact some teams dont have good C's. then he looks like an allstar.


We trade him for Muscala, why? For a better "team fit" because the roster is poorly constructed. Then we go out looking for another center, why? Because that wasn't a good trade, and we are weaker after it was made.

"Producing some nights, getting worked over other nights" describes a lot of players, though. Especially young players.

Not putting up numbers against good centers is a myth. He put up 16/11 on AD with 2 blocks, and 80% from the field against Anthony Davis, a guy who we nearly, and very openly, traded half of our team for.

It was just a bad trade to unload him. The more you look at it, the less sense it makes. The fact that LA is looking for another center adds more credence to that viewpoint.
i didnt say he didnt put up good OFFENSE against good centers. I said some guys cant guard him, while he gets torched by others. This happens with enis kanter. some guys cant guard him. but he cant guard anyone to be honest. lol. doesnt matter. gm's still think he's better than he really is because of those other sometime nights.

again i'm a Zu guy. but if thats not HOW you're going to play, you have to move on its only fair to Zu. let him go some where to play his style of basketball. if that aint here. than let the kid go.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:12 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Post n Pivot y'all.
Yinoma y'all
I still aint hearing any legit rebutals to these kinds of injury to these players for this length of time on a team that doesnt have a 2nd star. Who was down tonight fellas? Oh i know. Kuz, Bi, Zo.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:22 am    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
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Mike@LG wrote:
Because other teams get hurt and succeed.


Mm hmm.

Tell this to the 2009 Celts, 2015 Cavs, and 2018 Rockets


I'm sure Mike's point wasn't that teams with systemic injuries succeed to championship status. It's more that the effort and attitude is missing from our team when injuries take place. See the asswhipping we had against NO w/o AD. We've been having losses that look exactly like that both with and without Brawn for 3 years. This has been a disappointing team on a relative basis even before he got here. When they lost these vital games against NO/sans AD, Memphis(!) and PHX(!), the word from the brass has been to get the Spectrum Sports crew to start hypin up injuries and that's what they'll be doing until this sorry sh is finally over. Happened like clockwork, now even Worthy is talking about that as the reason instead of how he was shaking his head in disgust at the effort just a week ago. The FO wants you to think it's the injuries and not anything else, trust, whether that be the coaching, or Brawn/Klutch, or the media, or Magic, or the team they constructed. Injuries are the only thing everyone can blame that's out of their control.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:51 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Because other teams get hurt and succeed.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:55 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
It is a myth that we have an unusual number of injuries. This is a common misperception in sports: fans of a team do not have a basis for comparing their team's injuries to the injuries on other teams.

Go here, and find the chart that was posted on March 2:

https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA

The x-axis is the total games lost due to injury. The size of the bubble is based on the impact of the games lost, based on one of the metrics (I don't remember which one they use -- maybe win shares). There are ten or more teams that have bubbles about the same size as ours. (The underlying data is behind a pay wall. If someone feels like dropping the bucks, go for it.)

So yes, it comes down to team construction. We could not withstand a level of injuries that was ordinary.


AH!

See, now you've done did it!

Don't let facts get in the way of a good ol' member caught in his own feelings damnit!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:15 am    Post subject:

It really seems like we are very much bothered by injuries year after year. Is it just bad luck or our medical staff needs an upgrade?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:29 am    Post subject:

misterchipmunk wrote:
King Randle wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
splashmtn wrote:
dabask11 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
It is a myth that we have an unusual number of injuries. This is a common misperception in sports: fans of a team do not have a basis for comparing their team's injuries to the injuries on other teams.

Go here, and find the chart that was posted on March 2:

https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA

The x-axis is the total games lost due to injury. The size of the bubble is based on the impact of the games lost, based on one of the metrics (I don't remember which one they use -- maybe win shares). There are ten or more teams that have bubbles about the same size as ours. (The underlying data is behind a pay wall. If someone feels like dropping the bucks, go for it.)

So yes, it comes down to team construction. We could not withstand a level of injuries that was ordinary.


Funny how the TC ignores this post since it basically destroys his argument on an objective basis.

Top 5 teams with most games missed by injured players

1. DEN
2. CLE
3. PHI
4. BRK
5. CHI

Top 5 teams with wins lost due to injured players

1. GSW
2. CLE
3. TOR
4. NOP
5. HOU

Lakers no where near either list, so injury excuse doesn't fly.

wrong. all statistics have to be within context. and no one is avoiding a thing.

Its not just the sheer total number of injuries. its' WHO gets injured.

in football if your RB gets hurt but we know most teams are not running everything thru their RB, you can survive. but if you QB gets hurt, than your backup QB gets hurt, then your 3rd string QB gets hurt, then 2 of your WRs gets hurt. then your backup qb comes back. then your RB comes back, then your back QB goes down again, now you ask your TE to play QB and TE.
This is what the lakers have had to deal with.

again, you can't pull any one stat and say "SEE" it doesnt work that way. if you want to play the stat game. you will need to pull multiple stats and talk about what each of these players contribute to their teams or dont contribute.

I mean lets say some guy on the edge of the bench has been hurt for 70 of the 82 games. thats some guy boosting the total injury days off number for the entire team making it looked like they lost 82 games to injury when in reality that guy wasnt going to play much anyway.

and then it does not tell you what happens if you keep having to have the healthy guys cover the spots for the injured guys. what happens to their games on offense AND defense. Is there an Energy level stat? maybe, but i dont know of any.

Guys, I'm not trying to take away the Cons of Jeanie Buss, Magic/Pelinka, Luke, Bron, the kids, the vets, begging for stars over going all in on the kids, etc. Not excusing anything that could be or was/is negative. I'm just saying we go thru this year in and year out. even some of those previous seasons we would've won a lot more games if it wasnt for the ridiculous amt of injuries and the back and forth injuries to different key guys. its one thing for one guy to be hurt. thats bad enough if said guy is a key cog. but you almost learn how to play without him after awhile. but to have him down for a 2 weeks, then back in, then down for a month. then back in. then to lose another guy for 6 weeks then back in, then another guy down for 6+ weeks, then back in. another guy down for a week then back in, another in and out. that is the chemistry killer. the little chem you could get with a 1 year group of vets and kids + bron is out the window the moment guys start getting hurt at that kind of frequency. There is no stat for that(YET). if there is, please hit us all with a link to the Chemistry/Cohesion as it relates to injuries....stat.


https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNBA/status/1101977626971787264

The link posted by AH does add who's injured in context to the stats. The bigger the bubble, the more impactful the injuries are to the team. The laker's bubble isn't bigger than most teams and is located right in the middle of games missed by players. This is why the lakers are on neither top 5 list and as AH stated earlier, shows the injury excuse is a myth.

So even with context, the injury excuse doesn't fly for the lakers


Injury excuse doesn't fly? What absolute nonsense.



Injuries are part of the why this season was bad but it is nowhere near close to being the main reason. As others have already pointed out, other teams suffered more injuries to key players and they still managed to win enough games. Yes you can argue the Lebron is the best player in the NBA and that it doesn't compare but Lebron hasn't been playing like the best player ever since he came back and we are still losing to tanking teams. What about Lonzo? Well if we have to rely on Lonzo to beat garbage teams than it just highlights how poorly the team in constructed. Rondo had some injuries this year but he is overrated and has more bad games than good games.


People saying injuries are the main reason are just in full denial that our roster just sucks and our coach sucks too.

Even if we were 100% fully healthy, we weren't that good. Boom Shots Fired!


We were 21-14 on Christmas and just beat the crap out of GS..3rd seed...then the injuries happened. So your boom shots fired feels more like a 2 year olds water gun. But I do agree our coach completely sucks.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:08 am    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
Because other teams get hurt and succeed.


Mm hmm.

Tell this to the 2009 Celts, 2015 Cavs, and 2018 Rockets


I'm sure Mike's point wasn't that teams with systemic injuries succeed to championship status. It's more that the effort and attitude is missing from our team when injuries take place. See the asswhipping we had against NO w/o AD. We've been having losses that look exactly like that both with and without Brawn for 3 years. This has been a disappointing team on a relative basis even before he got here. When they lost these vital games against NO/sans AD, Memphis(!) and PHX(!), the word from the brass has been to get the Spectrum Sports crew to start hypin up injuries and that's what they'll be doing until this sorry sh is finally over. Happened like clockwork, now even Worthy is talking about that as the reason instead of how he was shaking his head in disgust at the effort just a week ago. The FO wants you to think it's the injuries and not anything else, trust, whether that be the coaching, or Brawn/Klutch, or the media, or Magic, or the team they constructed. Injuries are the only thing everyone can blame that's out of their control.

What do you think is the common denominator here?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:29 am    Post subject:

It is two things

1. The FO went with this concept of a team of high IQ players, flawed from the start as they didn't develop a team with specific roles and balanced strengths and weaknesses. You only need 1 or 2 high iq players, the other can be low iq but good at their role or position.

2. Enabled Luke to coast through the last couple of seasons, without asking him to actually have a coaching strategy or a consistent game plan. He said himself that what he liked is Rondo being a point guard on the floor. Says to me he doesn't have schemes or a vision of how the team will win games and is half expecting the players to make things happen based on a broad GSW play style. His coaching buddies make it worse, no one has actual goals to hit or specific areas to focus on. Everyone is a generalist who does everything for a subset of players. There is no specialization so there is no measurable improvement.

These are the two reasons we suck, not injuries.
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