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| Do you have faith in Maginka's ability to fix the team this offseason? |
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chekmatex4
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I'm not answering the poll because I think Maginka learned from their mistakes and will try to do the right things, but they will not succeed because players will not come here.
There are two things Lakers can do:
1. Continue to rebuild through draft. This means keeping our prospects and not trading.
2. Maximize our chance for a championship since we have Lebron, which requires us to trade prospects and picks for proven talent.
OP obviously prefers to go Option 1 route, at which point I would say just trade Lebron. I mean, AD is a top 5 player right now and I would make a larger offer for him than one member of our core and no picks. |
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Not after the AD trade saga and the brain dead Zubac/Muscala trade, no. |
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Don Draper
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Do you have faith in Maginka's ability to fix the team this offseason? |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Don Draper wrote: | There are a few (easy) things Maginka can do to fix the Lakers this offseason:
1) Sign a max FA or spread that money around on quality role players.
2) Avoid one year rentals, crazies, non-shooters, and "tough-guys."
3) Draft the best player available at whatever spot we get.
4) Do NOT trade the pick under any circumstance if it's top 4. And in other circumstances, only trade the pick if we are clearly winning the trade.
5) Do NOT trade our young core (Zo/Kuz/Ingram) unless we are CLEARLY winning the trade.
6) Do NOT go for AD unless we can get him in exchange for a single member of our core. If we trade our pick plus a member of the core for him, we've failed.
7) Fire everyone top to bottom and find experts to staff our coaching, training, and analytics positions rather than big names, re-treads, or celebrity dieticians.
This plan accomplishes a a number of things, of which I'll only state a few:
1) It somewhat makes up for the DLO trade and letting Randle walk, since there's no way in hell we would have been this bad this year with them on the team. Whoever we draft this year is essentially going to have to fill their shoes/replace what they would have given us for the next decade.
2) It gives us a fighting chance next year no matter what. Since we're resting LeBron from here on out, he should have a great year next season. He's never had this much rest/time to recuperate before. This will probably be the last year he is in conversations regarding being the best in the league, so we should use it wisely. Signing a max FA (or quality roleplayers), retaining our young talent, and hopefully filling in the rest of the roster with pieces that fit should give us a puncher's chance against any team in the league.
3) Finally, having a top-10 pick on the team to pair with Zo, Kuz, and Ingram will ensure that we will have a life in the NBA after LeBron declines or leaves the team.
But the question is this: can Maginka pull anything like this off? Or are we doomed to seeing our pick and young players shipped off for AD, along with questionable FA signings that don't compliment LeBron at all? Will we pick another stupid re-tread coach who doesn't maximize LeBron, and who hurts our other player's development?
Whatever happens, this summer will be the true test for Maginka (and Jeanie). If they fail, they need to show themselves the door. So much of this situation is stacked in their favor, if only they would execute things properly. Maybe Kobe can get on the line with Rob and teach him how to do that. |
I don't know if you can really make sweeping generalizations about keeping draft picks or not making trades "unless you are clearly winning." You have to evaluate each potential move based on the specific details of that move. (If we land a great free agent and the #4 pick, it might well make sense to move the pick for a player who can contribute now; if we don't land a great free agent, it might make more sense to keep the pick.)
And in reality, most moves involve risk. You try to minimize the risk as much as you can, but you rarely have moves that are no-brainers. It's pretty rare that a trade has a clear winner; and often the team that seemed to originally win the trade didn't in hindsight.
All we know for sure is Magic will be going after a superstar, either in free agency or a trade.
Other than that, who knows?
Whether restricting Lebron's minutes will make a difference next year is anyone's guess. If we get a lottery pick pick, it's anyone's guess if he will turn into a contributor or just get one of the many lottery guys who never amount to anything.
I've never been a fan of Magic's strategy, and don't have confidence in him as a GM. But he's running the show, so all we can do is wait and see. |
Oh I agree. I just think that we've been fleeced so often lately that it would be better in almost every situation to play it conservatively. Maginka aren't good at taking risks. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I haven’t seen anything so far that makes me think they will turn things around. It starts at the top and I have no faith in ownership.
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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YES.
STAY THE COURSE.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Do you have faith in Maginka's ability to fix the team this offseason? |
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| Don Draper wrote: |
Oh I agree. I just think that we've been fleeced so often lately that it would be better in almost every situation to play it conservatively. Maginka aren't good at taking risks. |
But everything's a risk, right? If you stand pat instead of making a trade, that can blow up in your face if the young guys don't pan out and lose value. In fact, maybe Magic's biggest mistake was being conservative and not trading for Paul George |
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DShotMaker1824
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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If they trade LeBron, yes.
If they don't, no.
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Ziggy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I do. I'm actually surprised at how many are jumping ship. I only disagree with 3 decisions:
1. Shutting the door on Jerry West.
2. Letting BroLo leave when he was willing to stay for cheap
3. Zu trade
This FO has been very active in a short amount of time. Mitch almost never made trades before the deadline, allowed trade exceptions to expire unused. It just never felt like he was active ("asleep at the switch Mitch") and exploring moves. Magic is going to be active in getting this team back this summer. He always said it was a 2-summer plan. If nothing comes to fruition this summer then I will definitely reassess my position. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| dabask11 wrote: | Magic has handled things so bad we've reached a point where we could potentially not match last years win total.
So it's a resounding NO. |
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Don Draper
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Do you have faith in Maginka's ability to fix the team this offseason? |
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| activeverb wrote: | | Don Draper wrote: |
Oh I agree. I just think that we've been fleeced so often lately that it would be better in almost every situation to play it conservatively. Maginka aren't good at taking risks. |
But everything's a risk, right? If you stand pat instead of making a trade, that can blow up in your face if the young guys don't pan out and lose value. In fact, maybe Magic's biggest mistake was being conservative and not trading for Paul George |
That's a good point. But at least in the case of Paul George, being conservative meant being able to keep Ingram. Which isn't so bad. Whereas in the cases where Magic has been a little too liberal, we seem to have been the clear losers. |
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trablos
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I don't know, I'm hopeful. What I do know is that we have never looked more pathetic as a franchise than we did after Kobe retired, and in a short 2 years we have a team stacked with great young talent, a boat load of cap space we didn't have before, and at worst a top 3 player in the league. Everyone is upset over the last two months, but I don't see how you can look at the last 2 years is anything but a net positive.
This summer, our 2 biggest priorities that will shape our near to long term future are:
1. Second max FA
2. Finding the right head coach for this team
A distant 3rd is filling out the bench with what we have left. I might even believe the right coach is more important than getting a max guy, but it's the difference between contending next season and in 3-5 years from now. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | YES.
STAY THE COURSE. |
The course is our first step backwards in the win column since we began tanking.
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RealSkipBayless
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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No.
Magic won’t do what needs to be done and move Lebron. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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No, not after all the poor decisions in roster construction and, in the words of Stu, ILL advised trades.
We probably won't need to speak about Maginka much longer. Both Luke and Rob will likely be canned. Thus giving Majeanie their dual scapegoat. |
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slavavov
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Maginka have made some good moves (trading for Bullock), some questionable ones (trading D-Lo for Kuzma) and some bad ones (trading Zubac). In these next 12 months we will find out what they're really made of, just like it took us a few years to realize that Mitch was a solid GM (although he was no good at rebuilding).
I don't think we're getting a big time FA, although maybe there's a slight chance of getting Kyrie or Klay. But even if we get Jimmy Butler, that would be a positive, as he plays good D and is clutch. Butler averaged 24 points and 5.5 assists as the man on the Bulls, and he's in his prime right now so that could work if combined with the continued growth we've been seeing from Ingram and Kuzma.
I see a way out of this, even though it's been a slow motion plane crash lately. I remember in 1999 that roster underperformed and got swept by the Spurs, and even after Phil became our coach no one though we would get close to winning the title in that first season.
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I hope so, because bleeding talent to other teams and watching former coaches and assistant coaches succeed on other teams makes this team look like a bottom-dweller.
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I want them to succeed and I will be hoping for it. But after coming in and swinging a wrecking ball through the organization I am saying prove it. Prove to me that next season will be different. I’ll still be a fan, but it’s hard suffering through the rebuild with no payoff. |
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| dabask11 wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | dabask11 wrote: | Magic has handled things so bad we've reached a point where we could potentially not match last years win total.
So it's a resounding NO. |
so magic is the reason all of our guys are hurt and keep getting hurt. |
Hurt guys last year minus lebron=35 wins
Hurt guys this year with lebron= potentially less than 35 wins.
Again that's not an injury problem. |
Interesting.
Last year Lebron was leading his team into the Finals and just about every year prior to that.
Maybe the actual common denominator is Luke brings every team down below .500 since that's all he's ever done. It's weird that when the two collided that Luke's results won out. Well maybe won is not the right word. |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | Great One wrote: | Traded away DLO, Lou Williams, and Zu for garbage
and Let Randle ,Isiah Thomas, Brook Lopez walk.
were screwed....
all those guys in exception for Randle are in the playoffs |
so you want vet lou taking all those shots away from Kuz and BI? lets not forget how that looked before.
So you were willing to pay IT real money after the hip surgery knowing his offense could be great but his defense was going to be horrific? |
Why couldn't Lou have gotten a more defined role once lebron got here? Lou is everything we need from the bench. an incredibly skilled scorer and we let him go.
Why are we talking about IT defense? As if Rondo is making major defensive plays. Hell atleast IT would get respect on the offensive end, As soon as BI or Lebron posts up a double comes before you can blink because we got Rondo out there clanking shots. |
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The Lebrons
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hell no.
Praying I'm wrong. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Put simply, if we had a 2nd max, say PG13, we'd expect him to step up and keep the team afloat if LBJ/Lonzo went down.
Well, KCP/Rondo/Lance/Beez = what PG13 would have cost and they didn't. |
To quote Dr Buss, a 4 carrot diamond is worth more than four 1 carrot diamonds. Those players are complimentary pieces that can succeed next to a star, but can’t without one.
Besides KCP who was able to knock down some shots, those other 3 are useless by themselves with the exception of Rondo on some nights. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Where's option (bleep) No
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| None, Jeanie needs to fire Maginka. Thats the first great step in the right direction. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| This forum has gone to a new low |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| A sign of a bad GM isn't figuring out who the franchise players are, but what type of talent to surround those superstars with. |
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