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yinoma2001
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There is a growing possibility that we cannot get a top max FA. If that's the case, the Lakers M.O. recently has been to punt the cap space forward. If that is the case, how do you feel about another punt year? Is it worth punting to try to get AD in 2020?
Should they make moves that would effectively use the cap space (i.e. sign non-all star FAs to more than 1 year deals or trade for a player under contracts for longer than 1 year)?
How do folks feel about the possibility that we may punt another year?
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PHILosophize
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I think that if Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks, the Celtics are likely out of the AD sweepstakes.
If we can't sign a top FA then I think trading for AD is still probably the right move.
Otherwise, I'm open to giving Jimmy a two year max.
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Gellollo
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I don't think punting is a possibility anymore with an aging LeBron on the team.
If we can't get a top FA, we have to at least get a GOOD player like Butler or Boogie, or make a trade. |
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DMAULS
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| I don't think we can punt this off-season and still keep Ingram since his cap hold is ~21M, removing the max deal. |
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MIMLaker
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<Bleep> any more punting. Enough of this stupidity.
Sign solid, non-superstar-HOF guys who can play both ends with smarts, effort, and reliable production and let's FINALLY build some depth and continuity by signing them to 2-4 year deals.
Sick of mercenaries and past their prime rentals.
Shoot, I'd be happy to get Randle back if we could so we have have a hard-charging, in-your face guy again to put muscle into our small-ball D again. I'd love to see BroLo back so we can see what this team would've/ should've looked like in the 1st place.
And NO MORE OVERPAID KLUTCH SPORTS CLIENTS on the team this year. We've overpaid KCP long enough. |
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ocho
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We seem to only be able to
a) punt all of our capspace by signing cheapo 1 year deals
b) blow all our cap on bad players
There is a world in between these two poles. We must find it.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| DMAULS wrote: | | I don't think we can punt this off-season and still keep Ingram since his cap hold is ~21M, removing the max deal. |
There actually is a way if you get rid of Lonzo and a bunch of the kids. But yeah, you can't keep the entire YUTES.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| How is there a "growing possibility" that we can't get a top FA? Based on what? |
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where24happens
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| No more punting. Sign a top free agent or trade for AD. Punting = lottery team again. |
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yinoma2001
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| Username wrote: | | How is there a "growing possibility" that we can't get a top FA? Based on what? |
Lots of tea leaves. The chances of a top FA are dwindling at this moment IMO. Not a fact but you can see the writing on the wall re: some of the top FAs.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | I think that if Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks, the Celtics are likely out of the AD sweepstakes.
If we can't sign a top FA then I think trading for AD is still probably the right move.
Otherwise, I'm open to giving Jimmy a two year max. |
Um who do you think they trading for him? |
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| Build a (bleep) team for Christ's sake |
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| I don’t see any tea leafs pointing to Irving or Butler not coming, I’m sure Y01 is talking about the top top FAs like KD/Kawhi/Klay... all signs are pointing to us at least signing Jimmy Butler who doesn’t present the Impact the other FAs have but he is still a star. |
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PHILosophize
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | I think that if Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks, the Celtics are likely out of the AD sweepstakes.
If we can't sign a top FA then I think trading for AD is still probably the right move.
Otherwise, I'm open to giving Jimmy a two year max. |
Um who do you think they trading for him? |
Lonzo, Kuzma, and a 1st would be my offer
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | I think that if Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks, the Celtics are likely out of the AD sweepstakes.
If we can't sign a top FA then I think trading for AD is still probably the right move.
Otherwise, I'm open to giving Jimmy a two year max. |
Um who do you think they trading for him? |
Lonzo, Kuzma, and a 1st would be my offer |
the irony of Kuzma and Lonzo.....one is seen as a theoretical shooter (Kuzma), while the other is seen as a theoretical non-shooter (Lonzo)....yet Lonzo shot a higher % from 3 this season on only slightly less volume. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Gellollo wrote: | I don't think punting is a possibility anymore with an aging LeBron on the team.
If we can't get a top FA, we have to at least get a GOOD player like Butler or Boogie, or make a trade. |
so, we have BI for one more year before he gets a new contract?
And Kuz and Lonzo for two more years?
So, we could technically punt for one more year if needed?
I think all of this combined with the Moz and Deng contracts have worked to destroy the Lakers culture. We are turning into a losing franchise and we need to break that down and become at the very least a solid franchise on good footing.
We are trying too hard to hit a home run but it is to the detriment of the team. We need to simply become good, once you are good, you have a better chance of attracting a marquee FA. But we are never going to get all the big hits we need if we are one of the worst teams in the league. Established FA's know that they will not be able to turn us around on their own, even if we have Lebron. At this point, I would ONLY offer a reasonable trade offer for AD and BI should be untouchable. They had their chance and they blew it. They could have fleeced us because we were desperate. Now we have two solid front court guys should ONLY make a reasonable trade. Past that, we go for solid two way players.
It would be great to get AD but I would be more than thrilled if we ended out getting Butler and Kyrie. We would have one heck of a starting 5 with those guys!
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| We were one of the best teams in the west before all the injuries. We've done nothing but lose since the Dwightmare season. If I'm KL or KD looking at the Lakers right now, knowing I can possibly win a ring in the next 3 years, and be the face of the franchise with solid young talent around me, I'd be pretty tempted by that situation. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Username wrote: | | How is there a "growing possibility" that we can't get a top FA? Based on what? |
Lots of tea leaves. The chances of a top FA are dwindling at this moment IMO. Not a fact but you can see the writing on the wall re: some of the top FAs. |
It's Kawhi or bust to me. I guess slight chance at Kyrie but I think he would be a disaster. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| We can't punt anyway, but Ingram will get his extension (assuming 20+ a year) and we won't have space anyway. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | I think that if Kyrie and KD go to the Knicks, the Celtics are likely out of the AD sweepstakes.
If we can't sign a top FA then I think trading for AD is still probably the right move.
Otherwise, I'm open to giving Jimmy a two year max. |
Um who do you think they trading for him? |
Lonzo, Kuzma, and a 1st would be my offer |
Close, but I am thinking it will take this years first and another future first to go along with Kuz and ZO....
But Bron, AD, and BI gets us right in the top 3 team level IMO! |
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I voted punt, but not because we want to, but because we'll be forced to.
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We have to at least make 1 step to being a WCF team by next season. However way that happens.
The Lebron timeline demands it. |
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Villain6Activated
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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If we (bleep) punt again with this sorry as lottery team I swear to god man wtf
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| ocho wrote: | We seem to only be able to
a) punt all of our capspace by signing cheapo 1 year deals
b) blow all our cap on bad players
There is a world in between these two poles. We must find it. |
I agree with this....you find good players on fair deals. Sign contracts that you really believe will be movable if needed....do not overpay anyone. It is not that we cant sign any one year deals, it just can't be all one year deals.
One year deals should only serve as a "prove it" type of deal....not, hey hold this cap space for me until I can get someone better. This year, even though those guys knew there was a good chance they would not be here long term, I bet each one of them were playing to try to prove they were worth a multiple year contract after this season....then once it became clear to them that the odds were near zero they would be around next year during the AD trade talks, they all threw in the towel.
Just stop overpaying would be a good rule to follow. We paid Rondo, KCP and Lance amounts no other team would have offered.....and probably Beasley also. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't trade the young guys anymore, that's all I ask. |
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