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BallerAli
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| This was first reported on Monday, so why'd it take so long for the talk to get going? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| i would love to get kg. i have been in love with bynum this whole season but the more i think about it i will be willing to trade him if we could get kg. but also we cant forget that mitch is our gm, so dont expect anything. |
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly it's not too bad a deal for the Wolves either.
I mean, you can't really get "equal value" for a KG (or a Shaq, cough!).
But I've mentioned before the LO is the "poor man's KG" - he fills up the
stat sheet in a very similar dispertion -- just less so in each category.
But LO is almost as tall, almost as athletic, etc etc as well.
So they're coming about as close as possible to replacing KG's role on the
team, but Odom is younger, costs less - and then they're adding a
potentially excellent thick 7-footer in Bynum.
They could do alot worse.
From our standpoint, LO + Bynum for KG is a no-brainer because we need
to put talent around Kobe NOW, while he's in his prime.
We'd be locking up two of the "Greatest 60" together in their primes, with
Phil Jackson coaching, for at least the next 2 years (when Phil's contract
is up).
Sounds like a plan to me.
(and of course I still doubt it happens!) |
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lakers0505
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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plus wouldnt mind stickin it too shaq , because the lakers have no direction and no one likes us anymore.  |
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tgf5
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| OX1947 wrote: | | shortodom wrote: | | VicTheBrick wrote: | | Maybe we're getting KG, maybe TMac and/or Boozer, I can't freaking wait!! |
Or maybe we do nothing like always. Expect nothing then you'll be happy with something and won't be disappointed for nothing. |
Yup, with an hour left, I doubt anything will happen. |
Are you talkin about the deadline that's at 3pm ET Feb 23... |
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lakers0505
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| or well here crap, like oo they were so close , couldnt iron out the details in time etc...w.e. |
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LA4Life
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Considering Mitch is the one who drafted Bynum, there's chance that he's not going to amount to anything so the KG deal sounds good. Then again, the last time we had two or more hall of famers on the team the league made sure we didn't win jack (bleep) anyways so...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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The upside with bynum is huge, but if KG is on the table you have to take it. We'll have Kobe in his prime for only so many more years. By the time Bynum is ready to be dominant *if he ever will be*, Kobe will be almost out of his prime and on the decline.
That said, I doubt they are rushing to trade KG before the deadline. |
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jack13
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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do we have any time to trade KG or not?
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| jack13 wrote: | | do we have any time to trade KG or not? |
Trade KG?
If we get him, I'm thinking maybe we should hold onto him  |
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eniq 0x00
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| LA4Life wrote: | | Considering Mitch is the one who drafted Bynum, there's chance that he's not going to amount to anything so the KG deal sounds good. |
:roll:
Nice to see Mitch-haters taking their hatred to absurd levels. Mitch wanted Sean May, not Bynum; it was Buss who wanted Bynum. Unless you've been living under a rock, you'd see why this kid is special and why so many are reluctant to want to trade him.
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Tony Montana
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Contrary to popular belief around here, the deadline is not midnight tonight, Pacific; rather it is noon Thursday, Pacific.
Good luck trying to log on to LG shortly before noon tomorrow... |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Manu wrote: | | TIMMM wrote: | | Whats wrong with giving up bynum, i do not understand why this board is so in love with him. the kid is just 18, by the time he reaches his 'potential' kobe will be out of his prime |
I agree. And short of Duncan or KG, not sure I'd trade Andew for anyone, but you're talking having 2 legitimate superstars on the team. You're talking a big and a guard. You're talking the basic ingredients for a championship. |
You're talkin Jordan and Pippen who? |
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critical_beatdown
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| Exick wrote: | The reason why people are "in love" with Bynum is because he's a 7-foot tall 18-year-old being taught by one of the greatest of all time who looks like he's got potential to be another in a long line of great Laker centers. I and many others don't want to give up on that idea too soon. A lot of people around here suggest ridiculous trades involving Bynum and the reason so many balk at them, which leads to the "untouchable" tag, is because of unrealized potential. If we were talking 3 years down the road and Bynum was looking like just another big man, then maybe I don't mind giving him up so easily. This early on, though, I don't want to give Bynum up unless I was getting a sure thing in return because no one really knows what he'll turn out to be.
All that being said, I'd do Bynum + Odom for KG. KG is the kind of sure thing I would demand in exchange for Bynum. I'd do it, but I would lose a lot of sleep over it. |
The only sleep I'd lose is about a week's worth from the sheer excitement of landing KG. Second-guessing about Bynum wouldn't happen until years later... |
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| Like everyone is saying it'd be tough to give up Bynum, but right now you don't know what's ahead of him and you know what you're getting in KG. KG is one of the short list of players I'd trade for right now. The Lakers would be a force again if they could pull this off. I'm betting 30/70 against it, but one can always dream. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| Of course the Lakers are making a push for KG. But is Minnesota making a late push to trade KG? Of course not. |
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shnjb
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | Honestly it's not too bad a deal for the Wolves either.
I mean, you can't really get "equal value" for a KG (or a Shaq, cough!).
But I've mentioned before the LO is the "poor man's KG" - he fills up the
stat sheet in a very similar dispertion -- just less so in each category.
But LO is almost as tall, almost as athletic, etc etc as well.
So they're coming about as close as possible to replacing KG's role on the
team, but Odom is younger, costs less - and then they're adding a
potentially excellent thick 7-footer in Bynum.
They could do alot worse.
From our standpoint, LO + Bynum for KG is a no-brainer because we need
to put talent around Kobe NOW, while he's in his prime.
We'd be locking up two of the "Greatest 60" together in their primes, with
Phil Jackson coaching, for at least the next 2 years (when Phil's contract
is up).
Sounds like a plan to me.
(and of course I still doubt it happens!) |
That's a very poor man. |
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| shnjb wrote: | | sodapoppenski wrote: | Honestly it's not too bad a deal for the Wolves either.
I mean, you can't really get "equal value" for a KG (or a Shaq, cough!).
But I've mentioned before the LO is the "poor man's KG" - he fills up the
stat sheet in a very similar dispertion -- just less so in each category.
But LO is almost as tall, almost as athletic, etc etc as well.
So they're coming about as close as possible to replacing KG's role on the
team, but Odom is younger, costs less - and then they're adding a
potentially excellent thick 7-footer in Bynum.
They could do alot worse.
From our standpoint, LO + Bynum for KG is a no-brainer because we need
to put talent around Kobe NOW, while he's in his prime.
We'd be locking up two of the "Greatest 60" together in their primes, with
Phil Jackson coaching, for at least the next 2 years (when Phil's contract
is up).
Sounds like a plan to me.
(and of course I still doubt it happens!) |
That's a very poor man. |
Haha, yes he is... this year in particular.
But I think Lamar in another system reverts to more like his Miami numbers.
KG right now is a 21/12/4.
Odom in Miami 17/10/4.
Blocks and steals, Odom just under 1pg each. KG 1.2 and 1.3.
So like I said, he's kind of a poor-man's KG.
At least in the way in which he fills his stats out.
Obviously you gotta throw in KG being a better defender too, but there
is some logic behind my comparison  |
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So Lurch is all of a sudden going to feel sorry for the Lakers franchise he has always hated and deal us his franchise player and prime attendence draw for Lamar Odom?
Don't see it.
Hope I'm wrong of course, but I don't have a lot of faith in Kupchak and even less in Lurch dealing us KG.
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shnjb
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: |
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I think the better way to put it would be "Odom's a poor man's KG in fantasy basketball."
He's not even a beggar's KG on the hardwood. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | But I think Lamar in another system reverts to more like his Miami numbers.
KG right now is a 21/12/4.
Odom in Miami 17/10/4.
Blocks and steals, Odom just under 1pg each. KG 1.2 and 1.3.
So like I said, he's kind of a poor-man's KG.
At least in the way in which he fills his stats out.
Obviously you gotta throw in KG being a better defender too, but there
is some logic behind my comparison |
Check out the variance for his season in Miami. Still inconsistent there. I don't think it was quite as bad as he's been here, but I think he had 11 single digit scoring games for instance (I posted about this somewhere before but I don't feel like digging it up).
KG has low variance--every night is 18-24 pts, 10-14 rebounds, 4-6 assists. Lamar you never know if he's going for 20/17/6 or 6/8/5. So its more like Lamar is the poor man's KG every 3rd game. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Sidious wrote: | | Of course the Lakers are making a push for KG. But is Minnesota making a late push to trade KG? Of course not. |
And...
Especially to the Lakers! That organization would rather quit than give the Lakers the tittle just like that. McHale would resign minutes after such a deal took place. The fans would just about quit comming at all. I don't believe the folks in Minnie have accepted Wally's departure yet and suddenly boom KG too?
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| RG73 wrote: | | sodapoppenski wrote: | But I think Lamar in another system reverts to more like his Miami numbers.
KG right now is a 21/12/4.
Odom in Miami 17/10/4.
Blocks and steals, Odom just under 1pg each. KG 1.2 and 1.3.
So like I said, he's kind of a poor-man's KG.
At least in the way in which he fills his stats out.
Obviously you gotta throw in KG being a better defender too, but there
is some logic behind my comparison |
Check out the variance for his season in Miami. Still inconsistent there. I don't think it was quite as bad as he's been here, but I think he had 11 single digit scoring games for instance (I posted about this somewhere before but I don't feel like digging it up).
KG has low variance--every night is 18-24 pts, 10-14 rebounds, 4-6 assists. Lamar you never know if he's going for 20/17/6 or 6/8/5. So its more like Lamar is the poor man's KG every 3rd game. |
Or do you mean standard deviation instead of low variance
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| If we wait for Bynum to develop and his potential isn't that great, then he won't have any trade potential. Sure you'd be willing to give him up by then, I would too. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | So Lurch is all of a sudden going to feel sorry for the Lakers franchise he has always hated and deal us his franchise player and prime attendence draw for Lamar Odom?
Don't see it.
Hope I'm wrong of course, but I don't have a lot of faith in Kupchak and even less in Lurch dealing us KG. |
That is a tough one to get your mind around. I don't see Franken-McHale doing it. |
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