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Kobesystem Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
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george w kush Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe speaking the truth Sick of Kuzma's inconsistency, Lonzo's injuries and father. I like Ingram and hope we can somehow keep him but wouldn't mind shipping him out for AD. Besides, the Pels or any other small market team can pay these guys more than the Lakers can. They would probably flourish playing in a smaller market with no pressure.
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Mamba Mentality Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
What if it's LBJ + AD + Max (Klay, Kawhi, or KD)?
Do the fillers still matter if there's a trio? _________________ “You can't be held captive by the fear of failure or the fear of what people may say.” - Kobe Bryant |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Mamba Mentality wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
What if it's LBJ + AD + Max (Klay, Kawhi, or KD)?
Do the fillers still matter if there's a trio? |
Any of those would probably make us contenders... but none of them are likely to come here.
If Kyrie came, we'd have an outside chance of success, but LBJ would have to stave off father time for a year and both Kyrie and AD would have to stay healthy playing long minutes with a short rotation.
Maybe something miraculous could occur, like Bonga or Caruso blossoming into a bonafide rotation player... but it would require almost devout levels of faith for those three to avoid injury and for some rando to become good like Rambis did years ago.
I just want the guy to answer because he said it's a no brainer.
Almost everyone who says "no brainer" usually isn't using their brains. |
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Kobesystem Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Assuming it's 1st round pick, Lonzo, kuzma and ingram for AD.....
Depth be for this season
Rondo-Caruso/Bonga
Bullock-Hart
Lebron-Lance
Melo-Wagner-Muscala
AD-Mcgee-Chandler
*granted the clipper and detroit trade happened as well...
Not perfect team, but playoff worthy? I think so.... |
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Mamba Mentality Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Mamba Mentality wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
What if it's LBJ + AD + Max (Klay, Kawhi, or KD)?
Do the fillers still matter if there's a trio? |
Any of those would probably make us contenders... but none of them are likely to come here.
If Kyrie came, we'd have an outside chance of success, but LBJ would have to stave off father time for a year and both Kyrie and AD would have to stay healthy playing long minutes with a short rotation.
Maybe something miraculous could occur, like Bonga or Caruso blossoming into a bonafide rotation player... but it would require almost devout levels of faith for those three to avoid injury and for some rando to become good like Rambis did years ago.
I just want the guy to answer because he said it's a no brainer.
Almost everyone who says "no brainer" usually isn't using their brains. |
Yeah I feel it. I don't trade the farm for AD if we're not having a successful offseason building a team outside of that. _________________ “You can't be held captive by the fear of failure or the fear of what people may say.” - Kobe Bryant |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Assuming it's 1st round pick, Lonzo, kuzma and ingram for AD.....
Depth be for this season
Rondo-Caruso/Bonga
Bullock-Hart
Lebron-Lance
Melo-Wagner-Muscala
AD-Mcgee-Chandler
*granted the clipper and detroit trade happened as well...
Not perfect team, but playoff worthy? I think so.... |
Thanks for being a good sport and answering... but Melo would have to enter a time machine for that team to compete for a title.
I think they'd make the playoffs... but that's about it. |
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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fan4life wrote: | Not surprised by this take given that Kobe's a cheerleader for Jeannie and Pelinka.
The sooner the Lakers move on from cronyism and into the business of hiring competent leadership, the better. |
What makes you think new management wouldn't trade those guys either? 6 seasons of not making the post-season. Its obviously not working. |
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Kobesystem Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Assuming it's 1st round pick, Lonzo, kuzma and ingram for AD.....
Depth be for this season
Rondo-Caruso/Bonga
Bullock-Hart
Lebron-Lance
Melo-Wagner-Muscala
AD-Mcgee-Chandler
*granted the clipper and detroit trade happened as well...
Not perfect team, but playoff worthy? I think so.... |
Thanks for being a good sport and answering... but Melo would have to enter a time machine for that team to compete for a title.
I think they'd make the playoffs... but that's about it. |
Yep. Maybe 2nd round exit team, maybe make the conference finals, who knows..
Still, our potential with Lebron and young core isn't exactly great either..... |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I would have never given Kobe the Legacy contract. Young free agents just want to win, not sign up with a team that treats their golden year players well. |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
How far is that going to get you though?
Also my follow up question to Kobe would be? How has the players that have been jettisoned off of the Lakers under Magic been doing? |
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ReaListik Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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AD and LeBron don’t beat GSW. AD LeBron and Kawhi plus defenders gives you a chance _________________ "We are the goodest." - Shaq ESPN interview |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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george w kush wrote: | Kobe speaking the truth Sick of Kuzma's inconsistency, Lonzo's injuries and father. I like Ingram and hope we can somehow keep him but wouldn't mind shipping him out for AD. Besides, the Pels or any other small market team can pay these guys more than the Lakers can. They would probably flourish playing in a smaller market with no pressure. |
Hey can you tell Magic with his Idiot Wisdom to ship Lonzo and Kuz to the Nets with that no talent ALLLLLSTAAARRRR who he thought was no leader and no good...teee hee ...teee hehe. Hey maybe they will end up being a ALLSTAR and make noise and get chants of THANK YOU MAGIC...like ugghh..that other guy..pfft lol. |
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hype Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Assuming it's 1st round pick, Lonzo, kuzma and ingram for AD.....
Depth be for this season
Rondo-Caruso/Bonga
Bullock-Hart
Lebron-Lance
Melo-Wagner-Muscala
AD-Mcgee-Chandler
*granted the clipper and detroit trade happened as well...
Not perfect team, but playoff worthy? I think so.... |
Thanks for being a good sport and answering... but Melo would have to enter a time machine for that team to compete for a title.
I think they'd make the playoffs... but that's about it. |
Yep. Maybe 2nd round exit team, maybe make the conference finals, who knows..
Still, our potential with Lebron and young core isn't exactly great either..... |
I def. do not see that team getting past the 2nd round even if fully healthy and thats a monumental if with that roster. Not to mention that's at least a top 3-5 worst defensive team in the nba before the season even starts. I think we are significantly better with the young core and whatever we get in free agency. |
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55 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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splashmtn wrote: | 55 wrote: | Since the trade deadline has already passed, he could've been a little more gentle with his response. Nothing good can come out of that response at this point. | you guys are getting soft in your old ages. lol
Nothing good was supposed to come from that comment. neither was anything bad.
Raise your hand if you think a GM in the nba doesnt agree with kobe as far as talent goes when he says the kids work hard but talent wise RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT. non of them are nearly as good as AD and the 3 combined are not as good as AD. Does anyone dispute that? do you think any GM would dispute that?
again RIGHT NOW. not some hopeful projection. RIGHT...NOW.
Your answer is probably NO, no one disputes what kobe has said including the kids themselves. AD is not some over the hill player either. he's young too.
or let me make it simpler. Would you TODAY start building around Zo, Bi, and Kuz? are you that confident in these kids where you would be willing to build around them?
Now, would you be comfortable building around AD today?
That is what kobe is talking about. |
Us older folks get that and agree with Kobe's thoughts, but also are wise enough to understand that some things can be left unsaid when nothing good can come out of it. That goes for you too PnP |
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Kobesystem Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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hype wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Assuming it's 1st round pick, Lonzo, kuzma and ingram for AD.....
Depth be for this season
Rondo-Caruso/Bonga
Bullock-Hart
Lebron-Lance
Melo-Wagner-Muscala
AD-Mcgee-Chandler
*granted the clipper and detroit trade happened as well...
Not perfect team, but playoff worthy? I think so.... |
Thanks for being a good sport and answering... but Melo would have to enter a time machine for that team to compete for a title.
I think they'd make the playoffs... but that's about it. |
Yep. Maybe 2nd round exit team, maybe make the conference finals, who knows..
Still, our potential with Lebron and young core isn't exactly great either..... |
I def. do not see that team getting past the 2nd round even if fully healthy and thats a monumental if with that roster. Not to mention that's at least a top 3-5 worst defensive team in the nba before the season even starts. I think we are significantly better with the young core and whatever we get in free agency. |
Playoff Rondo + AD swept the blazers (granted they also had Jrue)
They probably would of beat any team besides the Rockets and Warriors last season. |
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Outspoken Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
I disagree. Adding the right pieces around what we have is better. |
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hype Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Kobesystem wrote: | hype wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Assuming it's 1st round pick, Lonzo, kuzma and ingram for AD.....
Depth be for this season
Rondo-Caruso/Bonga
Bullock-Hart
Lebron-Lance
Melo-Wagner-Muscala
AD-Mcgee-Chandler
*granted the clipper and detroit trade happened as well...
Not perfect team, but playoff worthy? I think so.... |
Thanks for being a good sport and answering... but Melo would have to enter a time machine for that team to compete for a title.
I think they'd make the playoffs... but that's about it. |
Yep. Maybe 2nd round exit team, maybe make the conference finals, who knows..
Still, our potential with Lebron and young core isn't exactly great either..... |
I def. do not see that team getting past the 2nd round even if fully healthy and thats a monumental if with that roster. Not to mention that's at least a top 3-5 worst defensive team in the nba before the season even starts. I think we are significantly better with the young core and whatever we get in free agency. |
Playoff Rondo + AD swept the blazers (granted they also had Jrue)
They probably would of beat any team besides the Rockets and Warriors last season. |
Jrue was playing out of his mind that series right along with AD not to mention Mirotic also played great and was nearly as important as Rondo.
The big thing though is how the Warriors beat them pretty easily the very next round which would happen to that roster posted below and could very well be worse then the Hornets team last year.
You're going to rely on Lebron, AD, Melo and Rondo to play heavy minutes and not get injured during the season? There's pretty much zero depth so if any of those guys besides Melo get injured for a decent amount of time they might miss the playoffs yet again.
I just see the current roster we have with another max or a couple very good role players would be much better. You also still have the lottery pick to either keep or trade for another piece as well. |
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JustaObserver Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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hype wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | hype wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Assuming it's 1st round pick, Lonzo, kuzma and ingram for AD.....
Depth be for this season
Rondo-Caruso/Bonga
Bullock-Hart
Lebron-Lance
Melo-Wagner-Muscala
AD-Mcgee-Chandler
*granted the clipper and detroit trade happened as well...
Not perfect team, but playoff worthy? I think so.... |
Thanks for being a good sport and answering... but Melo would have to enter a time machine for that team to compete for a title.
I think they'd make the playoffs... but that's about it. |
Yep. Maybe 2nd round exit team, maybe make the conference finals, who knows..
Still, our potential with Lebron and young core isn't exactly great either..... |
I def. do not see that team getting past the 2nd round even if fully healthy and thats a monumental if with that roster. Not to mention that's at least a top 3-5 worst defensive team in the nba before the season even starts. I think we are significantly better with the young core and whatever we get in free agency. |
Playoff Rondo + AD swept the blazers (granted they also had Jrue)
They probably would of beat any team besides the Rockets and Warriors last season. |
Jrue was playing out of his mind that series right along with AD not to mention Mirotic also played great and was nearly as important as Rondo.
The big thing though is how the Warriors beat them pretty easily the very next round which would happen to that roster posted below and could very well be worse then the Hornets team last year.
You're going to rely on Lebron, AD, Melo and Rondo to play heavy minutes and not get injured during the season? There's pretty much zero depth so if any of those guys besides Melo get injured for a decent amount of time they might miss the playoffs yet again.
I just see the current roster we have with another max or a couple very good role players would be much better. You also still have the lottery pick to either keep or trade for another piece as well. |
Well you got Magic pressured to do some stupid like give everyone away for some "allstar" while ESPN goads him own like some bunch of idiots...and when your prediction happens...and with AD IT WILL...ESPN will be the first saying how stupid doing a trade and getting rid of the core was...smh. |
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trablos Star Player
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LakerLogic wrote: | AFireInside619 wrote: | I just wanted to see if LG would be fair with their criticisms of Kobe’s comments. So far it seems like LG is being fair. |
Stupidity is stupidity.
Being a good basketball player does not mean you can evaluate talent. |
Pack it up boys, it's been a good run. Time to shut down LG. |
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Big Game James wrote: | Wow! Thank you Kobe for your words that are sure to help the players that we end up not trading to show any sort of loyalty to this franchise.
Kobe is especially an idiot for naming names. He could have at least remained generic in his response saying something along the lines of, "If you can get AD, you should certainly try." |
This comment is the fluff America has become. The young core should look at those words as a challenge. Work even harder and let the chips fall where they may. I get it people have feelings but geez, we have to grow as humans as well, and can't be kept in this little bubble all the time.
It's like I tell my kids about racism, you may be subject to prejudice one day? So you have to work harder and be better, life can be unforgiving at times. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
I disagree. Adding the right pieces around what we have is better. |
I disagree we with both, the best trade would have been an AD-LeBron swap.
AD fires Rich Paul and we get Kawhi in the off season. _________________
"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
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Bol Star Player
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I haven't seen anyone outside this board who thinks trading the young guys for Davis would be anything but robbery for the Lakers. And this is supported by the fact that the Pelicans never even seemed to seriously consider the trade. |
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miggz23 Star Player
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Sentient Meat wrote: | Kobesystem wrote: | Kobe's right though.
That trade is a no brainer.
AD+Lebron + fillers is better than
Lebron + young core. |
Why don't you make us all a depth chart with some cheap free agents to show is what those fillers look like?
I notice that most of the people who say trade everyone for AD never get into specifics.
Let's see if you're any different... and can avoid the trap of assuming half the league will play for the minimum.
My guess is no. |
Collison/Caruso
Bullock/Hood/Hart
Lebron/Bagdonovic/Jeff Green
AD/Wagner/Mike Scott
Lopez/McGee
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