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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:35 am Post subject: LBJ (52 Games Played); KL (53 Games Played) |
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I didn't realize that KL has missed nearly the same number of games as LBJ this season. Yet, the Lakers stand at 31-41 (11th in the West); Toronto stands at 51-22.
Their 2nd best player (Lowry) has missed a bunch of games too and has only played 57.
Injuries have ravaged our team but it has also affected the Raptors too. But look at how they are atop of the East with a new coach too. They put continuity in their backup players and have not had a high draft pick in a while too.
So when we say that it's about the injuries, yes. That is true. But other teams have also been affected by injuries yet are still competing for a playoff run. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:45 am Post subject: Re: LBJ (52 Games Played); KL (53 Games Played) |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't realize that KL has missed nearly the same number of games as LBJ this season. Yet, the Lakers stand at 31-41 (11th in the West); Toronto stands at 51-22.
Their 2nd best player (Lowry) has missed a bunch of games too and has only played 57.
Injuries have ravaged our team but it has also affected the Raptors too. But look at how they are atop of the East with a new coach too. They put continuity in their backup players and have not had a high draft pick in a while too.
So when we say that it's about the injuries, yes. That is true. But other teams have also been affected by injuries yet are still competing for a playoff run. |
Our depth was awkward and weak from the start and then on top of losing LeBron, we lost Lonzo and BI. Rondo missed a bunch of games (when he gave a (bleep)), Lance has been out, and Chandler gave us like 3 effective games. Oh and then we gave away Svi and Zubac. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:56 am Post subject: Re: LBJ (52 Games Played); KL (53 Games Played) |
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2019 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't realize that KL has missed nearly the same number of games as LBJ this season. Yet, the Lakers stand at 31-41 (11th in the West); Toronto stands at 51-22.
Their 2nd best player (Lowry) has missed a bunch of games too and has only played 57.
Injuries have ravaged our team but it has also affected the Raptors too. But look at how they are atop of the East with a new coach too. They put continuity in their backup players and have not had a high draft pick in a while too.
So when we say that it's about the injuries, yes. That is true. But other teams have also been affected by injuries yet are still competing for a playoff run. |
Our depth was awkward and weak from the start and then on top of losing LeBron, we lost Lonzo and BI. Rondo missed a bunch of games (when he gave a (bleep)), Lance has been out, and Chandler gave us like 3 effective games. Oh and then we gave away Svi and Zubac. |
It's amazing though to me that their two top players have missed a ton of games AND they have no high draft picks yet are a contender. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lakers4life78 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:06 am Post subject: Re: LBJ (52 Games Played); KL (53 Games Played) |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't realize that KL has missed nearly the same number of games as LBJ this season. Yet, the Lakers stand at 31-41 (11th in the West); Toronto stands at 51-22.
Their 2nd best player (Lowry) has missed a bunch of games too and has only played 57.
Injuries have ravaged our team but it has also affected the Raptors too. But look at how they are atop of the East with a new coach too. They put continuity in their backup players and have not had a high draft pick in a while too.
So when we say that it's about the injuries, yes. That is true. But other teams have also been affected by injuries yet are still competing for a playoff run. |
After lechoke, Ingram, ball and kuzma this roster is garbage. Hart is okay but he’s clearly been hurt. Pretty much all these young guys are constantly banged up. Meme team and Tyson Chandler are a joke roster. Toronto has many solid role players. And a good culture. As opposed to toxic bs here. You’re comparing apples and oranges. Walton also sucks.
I remember early in year when Toronto destroyed us at home wo leonard. _________________ 17 time World Champions
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:07 am Post subject: Re: LBJ (52 Games Played); KL (53 Games Played) |
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lakers4life78 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't realize that KL has missed nearly the same number of games as LBJ this season. Yet, the Lakers stand at 31-41 (11th in the West); Toronto stands at 51-22.
Their 2nd best player (Lowry) has missed a bunch of games too and has only played 57.
Injuries have ravaged our team but it has also affected the Raptors too. But look at how they are atop of the East with a new coach too. They put continuity in their backup players and have not had a high draft pick in a while too.
So when we say that it's about the injuries, yes. That is true. But other teams have also been affected by injuries yet are still competing for a playoff run. |
After lechoke, Ingram, ball and kuzma this roster is garbage. Hart is okay but he’s clearly been hurt. Pretty much all these young guys are constantly banged up. Meme team and Tyson Chandler are a joke roster. Toronto has many solid role players. And a good culture. As opposed to toxic bs here. You’re comparing apples and oranges. |
That's the entire point.
A team that was built to sustain injuries, and didn't have high level draft picks either.
They fired a Coach of the Year (Casey) and didn't miss a beat. IT's a system success. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:13 am Post subject: Re: LBJ (52 Games Played); KL (53 Games Played) |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | 2019 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I didn't realize that KL has missed nearly the same number of games as LBJ this season. Yet, the Lakers stand at 31-41 (11th in the West); Toronto stands at 51-22.
Their 2nd best player (Lowry) has missed a bunch of games too and has only played 57.
Injuries have ravaged our team but it has also affected the Raptors too. But look at how they are atop of the East with a new coach too. They put continuity in their backup players and have not had a high draft pick in a while too.
So when we say that it's about the injuries, yes. That is true. But other teams have also been affected by injuries yet are still competing for a playoff run. |
Our depth was awkward and weak from the start and then on top of losing LeBron, we lost Lonzo and BI. Rondo missed a bunch of games (when he gave a (bleep)), Lance has been out, and Chandler gave us like 3 effective games. Oh and then we gave away Svi and Zubac. |
It's amazing though to me that their two top players have missed a ton of games AND they have no high draft picks yet are a contender. |
I think it comes down to have quality depth.. guys who come in an do their jobs. Danny Green is an elite shooter and great defender, Siakim has turned into a stud player, now they have Gasol, Serge is doing his job, OG is a fantastic physical defender, and guys like Lin and VanFleet come in and get it done.
I don't know if aside from Hart who dealt with injuries, we had anyone reliable off the bench. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:17 am Post subject: |
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veteran team that improved thru FA vs young team that got one solid vet thru FA |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: |
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The Raptors are much more talented than we are. Injuries kept us from getting into the playoffs. Injuries kept them from finishing with the best record in the league |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:18 am Post subject: |
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We were a top heavy team, while Toronto has depth.
I think the majority of basketball fans had us in the 5-8 seed range. When you take out the top talent it's not difficult to see why we're in this position.
No disrespect to Caruso or JW, who've played well, but when an NBA team has to dip into their g-league and 2-way contracts, it's not a good sign. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Toronto is looking at now, we continue to look at next year. Then the next year. And the next year. LA Dreamers. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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quartzcharm Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:41 am Post subject: |
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The "injuries" excuse is weak and a cop out.
Every team has injuries every year, but it doesn't justify the train completely rolling off the tracks like things have with this years Lakers squad.
It starts at the top with Magic and Rob. Yes, I know we were 4th in the West at one point in December. But they put a team of malecontents together and expected us to be a team capable of beating everyone. In reality, we can't seem to beat anyone.
Then they put everyone of our young pieces out there for AD. That's fine and all, but to do it pubically like they did; it's ridiculous. Ultimately, they traded away our best center for peanuts for no discernable reason.
They put a product on the floor that is not in the least entertaining to watch. They have to stop making excuses and do better. |
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Chad09 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:50 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Toronto is looking at now, we continue to look at next year. Then the next year. And the next year. LA Dreamers. |
That’s not a bad name. |
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trablos Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Goes to show you the difference between a well coached team and a bad coached team. |
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dabask11 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Again the Lakers:
-are not in the playoffs
-are not over .500
-are 10 games under .500
-are likely to finish with a record worse than last year's 35-47 due to tanking.
You can make the injury excuse for not being in the playoffs because of the west but not for having a terrible product on the floor.
The Lakers are getting worse despite adding a top 3 player in the league. You can't say with a straight face that's mainly because of injuries, especially when said top 3 player still manages to play in more than 50 games. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: |
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They have a team that they built. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Toronto is looking at now, we continue to look at next year. Then the next year. And the next year. LA Dreamers. |
Lakers will have many next years if they don't get any big name free agents. Lebron has 3 years left of those who knows how many of them will be at full strength. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Difference between a good roster and a bad one |
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la4win Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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You also have to factor in we are the Lakers and they are the raptors. Every team that play us gives 150% effort when they see Lakers on the schedule. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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quartzcharm wrote: | The "injuries" excuse is weak and a cop out.
Every team has injuries every year, but it doesn't justify the train completely rolling off the tracks like things have with this years Lakers squad.
It starts at the top with Magic and Rob. Yes, I know we were 4th in the West at one point in December. But they put a team of malecontents together and expected us to be a team capable of beating everyone. In reality, we can't seem to beat anyone.
Then they put everyone of our young pieces out there for AD. That's fine and all, but to do it pubically like they did; it's ridiculous. Ultimately, they traded away our best center for peanuts for no discernable reason.
They put a product on the floor that is not in the least entertaining to watch. They have to stop making excuses and do better. |
Injuries are a reality. Not a cop out. Why can't anyone just step in and play like Lebron when he's out? Why can't anyone just step up and play like BI? Why can't Rondo play defense like Lonzo?
The individual player is more important in basketball than any other team sport. That's why you see half the league tank for the chance to grab a top pick.
Our ceiling was probably 4th seed if completely healthy for most of the season. There is very little margin for error in the west. To me, pretending injuries don't make any difference, and pointing the blame squarely on the FO, is a copout. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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dabask11 wrote: | Again the Lakers:
-are not in the playoffs
-are not over .500
-are 10 games under .500
-are likely to finish with a record worse than last year's 35-47 due to tanking.
You can make the injury excuse for not being in the playoffs because of the west but not for having a terrible product on the floor.
The Lakers are getting worse despite adding a top 3 player in the league. You can't say with a straight face that's mainly because of injuries, especially when said top 3 player still manages to play in more than 50 games. |
Do you really believe Lebron has played like a top 3 player this season? |
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trablos wrote: | Goes to show you the difference between a well run organization and a poorly run organization. |
ftfy |
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dabask11 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: | quartzcharm wrote: | The "injuries" excuse is weak and a cop out.
Every team has injuries every year, but it doesn't justify the train completely rolling off the tracks like things have with this years Lakers squad.
It starts at the top with Magic and Rob. Yes, I know we were 4th in the West at one point in December. But they put a team of malecontents together and expected us to be a team capable of beating everyone. In reality, we can't seem to beat anyone.
Then they put everyone of our young pieces out there for AD. That's fine and all, but to do it pubically like they did; it's ridiculous. Ultimately, they traded away our best center for peanuts for no discernable reason.
They put a product on the floor that is not in the least entertaining to watch. They have to stop making excuses and do better. |
Injuries are a reality. Not a cop out. Why can't anyone just step in and play like Lebron when he's out? Why can't anyone just step up and play like BI? Why can't Rondo play defense like Lonzo?
The individual player is more important in basketball than any other team sport. That's why you see half the league tank for the chance to grab a top pick.
Our ceiling was probably 4th seed if completely healthy for most of the season. There is very little margin for error in the west. To me, pretending injuries don't make any difference, and pointing the blame squarely on the FO, is a copout. |
Why can't anyone step just in and play like lebron, BI and Lonzo when they're out? Well duh, maybe the point of this thread is to show the injury excuse is a cop out.
Why can toronto win despite not having anyone who can step up and play like kawhi? Why can toronto can have someone step in play and like him? That's why many place the blame on the FO instead of injuries. If you have a FO building the team properly while not throwing away assets, then said team can still maintain a respectable level even though injuries are a reality as other have shown.
If the Laker's ceiling was 4th in the west then their floor should be better than 35 wins. However, the lakers are 10 games under .500 and on pace to be worse. Even the most skeptical laker fans or haters didn't expect such a a result.
When it reaches that point, using the injury excuse while trying not to squarely blame the FO is the true cop out.
The individual basketball player is very important so failing to improve despite having a top 10 player is not because of injuries.
Ziggy wrote: |
Do you really believe Lebron has played like a top 3 player this season? |
He was top 3 before this season and has played like a top 10 this year. He's played good enough to where you shouldn't be losing to teams like the hawks, grizz, pelicans w/o ad and suns while having a well playing BI and decent Kuz. |
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quartzcharm Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: | quartzcharm wrote: | The "injuries" excuse is weak and a cop out.
Every team has injuries every year, but it doesn't justify the train completely rolling off the tracks like things have with this years Lakers squad.
It starts at the top with Magic and Rob. Yes, I know we were 4th in the West at one point in December. But they put a team of malecontents together and expected us to be a team capable of beating everyone. In reality, we can't seem to beat anyone.
Then they put everyone of our young pieces out there for AD. That's fine and all, but to do it pubically like they did; it's ridiculous. Ultimately, they traded away our best center for peanuts for no discernable reason.
They put a product on the floor that is not in the least entertaining to watch. They have to stop making excuses and do better. |
Injuries are a reality. Not a cop out. Why can't anyone just step in and play like Lebron when he's out? Why can't anyone just step up and play like BI? Why can't Rondo play defense like Lonzo?
The individual player is more important in basketball than any other team sport. That's why you see half the league tank for the chance to grab a top pick.
Our ceiling was probably 4th seed if completely healthy for most of the season. There is very little margin for error in the west. To me, pretending injuries don't make any difference, and pointing the blame squarely on the FO, is a copout. |
I'm not saying that injuries don't make any difference. Of course they do. But you can overcome injuries to star players for a period of time if you have complementary pieces.
You can't honestly say that the FO has done a good or even a decent job of assembling this team. They've been poor in nearly every aspect of the job and it's apparent when you look at the team as a whole. |
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al242 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Kawhi is just a better player than Lebron too... |
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hype Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Kawhi hasn't even really been injured though has he? I admittingly have not watched a ton of there games but anytime I have and he was out it was just to rest him and not over work since they have a deep enough team to do so.
Not only was Lebron injured this year but he simply very rarely looked like a top 5 let alone top 10 player even when healthy imo. He put up the stats for sure but he was massively worse late in games this season then I even expected right along with Rondo. There were times I was legitimately shocked at some of the horrible decisions they made with the game on the line considering all the experience they both have. If anything this season just showed even more so what many already said and that is that Lebron needs that 1b to help him take over games late.. I think he can still be a great player obviously but you aren't winning anything with him as your main option at the end of a game and that is only getting more clear as he ages.
Lebron deserves plenty of blame without question but in reality this year was just a disaster from the front office to the coach to pretty much the entire roster.. I just hope they can get a late game assassin like a Kyrie or Wade of past to compliment Lebron without gutting the roster because I don't think he can handle leading the league in minutes and not get injured anymore. |
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