Didn't get West to consult/mentor him. Ego-based mistake and a huge one, at that.
yet he complained about Jim Buss doing the same thing, he essentially kept saying how Jerry Buss surrounded himself with people like Jerry West, and Jim should do the same.
In Magic's eyes, he really thought Rondo & McGee were better basketball players than Randle & Lopez with the same 8 mill they signed Rondo to that Randle got from the Pelicans and signed McGee to be the starting center instead of Lopez. Had an archaic vision that the team needed more playmaking and shooting in 2018/19 wasn't needed by signing Rondo & Lance, with the only semblance of shooting coming from inconsistent low IQ players in KCP & Beasley. Gave up on Russell and trashed him on the way out like a bully, only for Russell a year later to shut up Magic and have the last laugh by making the All-Star team as an FU to Magic. Traded Zubac, who was the team's only threat at the center because they already made up their mind they weren't going to pay him in the summer and traded him for nothing, once again mismanaging assets and getting little to nothing back in return. Also, Luke wasn't a "Maginka hire", so they already knew Luke wasn't their coach for the long haul, yet still kept him as coach, making this season a lame duck season for Luke and the coaching staff.
So, yes 2 seasons in, Magic has already killed the trade value of the young talent, didn't get LeBron that 2nd max guy with this off-season looking very iffy an All-Star would want in on this trainwreck, and the organization is back to square one of being dysfunctional once again. Yes, Magic should get fired, but not going to happen this offseason, and now we can only imagine it's going to get worse with Magic & Pelinka in pure desperation mode now, and we saw how that went with Jim & Mitch.
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:33 pm Post subject:
Magic has a plan, he should be allowed to attempt it. Unlike Jim and Mitch who weren’t allowed to follow their plan. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Magic can be a positive asset to have in the FO if his basketball related powers are reigned in a bit. He can be the charismatic talking head and the face of the organization when it comes to recruiting other stars but someone else needs more pull to do the heavy lifting behind the scenes to prevent stuff like trading Zu for nothing or reaching on Mo Wagner when there were better prospects available.
If he couldn’t step aside his ego for jerry west. A person fans have yearned for since 2001 than it’s sure as hell hes not gonna do it now. We need ship his smiling dome out
Magic has a plan, he should be allowed to attempt it. Unlike Jim and Mitch who weren’t allowed to follow their plan.
+1
Jim didn't do himself any favors with his timeline though. But I liked the path Mitch was taking through the draft. He got us some real good pieces. _________________ Music is my medicine
Didn't get West to consult/mentor him. Ego-based mistake and a huge one, at that.
yet he complained about Jim Buss doing the same thing, he essentially kept saying how Jerry Buss surrounded himself with people like Jerry West, and Jim should do the same.
Shoe was on the same foot, and we saw what happened.
Except Jim Buss had Mitch whom he listened to...
Magic has Pelinka who cleans his shoes _________________ Llluuukkkeee
In Magic's eyes, he really thought Rondo & McGee were better basketball players than Randle & Lopez with the same 8 mill they signed Rondo to that Randle got from the Pelicans and signed McGee to be the starting center instead of Lopez. Had an archaic vision that the team needed more playmaking and shooting in 2018/19 wasn't needed by signing Rondo & Lance, with the only semblance of shooting coming from inconsistent low IQ players in KCP & Beasley. Gave up on Russell and trashed him on the way out like a bully, only for Russell a year later to shut up Magic and have the last laugh by making the All-Star team as an FU to Magic. Traded Zubac, who was the team's only threat at the center because they already made up their mind they weren't going to pay him in the summer and traded him for nothing, once again mismanaging assets and getting little to nothing back in return. Also, Luke wasn't a "Maginka hire", so they already knew Luke wasn't their coach for the long haul, yet still kept him as coach, making this season a lame duck season for Luke and the coaching staff.
So, yes 2 seasons in, Magic has already killed the trade value of the young talent, didn't get LeBron that 2nd max guy with this off-season looking very iffy an All-Star would want in on this trainwreck, and the organization is back to square one of being dysfunctional once again. Yes, Magic should get fired, but not going to happen this offseason, and now we can only imagine it's going to get worse with Magic & Pelinka in pure desperation mode now, and we saw how that went with Jim & Mitch.
Also Blame LeBron, LeBron all summer talked about how he wanted to be surrounded by playmakers. He thought he could replicate the Warriors, but his game doesnt lend itself to that _________________ Llluuukkkeee
Jeanie won't fire Magic. If anything, they will just bring in other minds to make basketball decisions and Magic will be a figurehead. Oh wait, that's already what's happening.
Magic has input and plays an important role but Palinka and the Buss kids are essential to basketball decisions. I get it, Magic is the voice of the FO and talks big, so he is bound to get the hate for failures, but he isn't the mastermind of these decisions.
Jeanie won't fire Magic. If anything, they will just bring in other minds to make basketball decisions and Magic will be a figurehead. Oh wait, that's already what's happening.
Magic has input and play an important role but Palinka and the Buss kids are essential to basketball decisions. I get it, Magic is the voice of the FO and talks big, so he is bound to get the hate for failures, but he isn't the mastermind of these decisions.
You think Magic is listening to Pelinka and the Buss kids when it comes to final decisions?
In Magic's eyes, he really thought Rondo & McGee were better basketball players than Randle & Lopez with the same 8 mill they signed Rondo to that Randle got from the Pelicans and signed McGee to be the starting center instead of Lopez. Had an archaic vision that the team needed more playmaking and shooting in 2018/19 wasn't needed by signing Rondo & Lance, with the only semblance of shooting coming from inconsistent low IQ players in KCP & Beasley. Gave up on Russell and trashed him on the way out like a bully, only for Russell a year later to shut up Magic and have the last laugh by making the All-Star team as an FU to Magic. Traded Zubac, who was the team's only threat at the center because they already made up their mind they weren't going to pay him in the summer and traded him for nothing, once again mismanaging assets and getting little to nothing back in return. Also, Luke wasn't a "Maginka hire", so they already knew Luke wasn't their coach for the long haul, yet still kept him as coach, making this season a lame duck season for Luke and the coaching staff.
So, yes 2 seasons in, Magic has already killed the trade value of the young talent, didn't get LeBron that 2nd max guy with this off-season looking very iffy an All-Star would want in on this trainwreck, and the organization is back to square one of being dysfunctional once again. Yes, Magic should get fired, but not going to happen this offseason, and now we can only imagine it's going to get worse with Magic & Pelinka in pure desperation mode now, and we saw how that went with Jim & Mitch.
Also Blame LeBron, LeBron all summer talked about how he wanted to be surrounded by playmakers. He thought he could replicate the Warriors, but his game doesnt lend itself to that
Oh don't worry, LeBron is up there as well in the blame game for this failure of a season. Openly flirting with AD and saying he wants to play with other elite players was disrespectful to the locker room, especially with Klutch trying to strong arm AD to the Lakers, which killed the locker room morale with the story of the Lakers wanting to trade the whole team for AD and the Pelicans still saying no was a slap in the face to the young guys. Refusing to play defense, being a terrible leader with his passive aggressive attitude with the media in regard to his teammates. LeBron is tied to Maginka as well, since they are essentially doing business with Klutch. LeBron doesn't get a pass and has no excuse since he signed up for this mess as well freely. He got hurt, which caused the downfall, but it comes with the territory of a 34 year old that has been in the league for 17 seasons.
Again, I understand the negativity, I really do... However, this was a 2 summer plan as soon as George decided to stay put... the Zubac trade I can’t understand, but let’s allow the summer to play out and then we can truly pass judgement...
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:51 pm Post subject:
999 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Halflife wrote:
It’s 100% coaching
Leave Magic Alone!!!!!!!!
You have to say it in the brittney spears fan voice
999 understands me _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Again, I understand the negativity, I really do... However, this was a 2 summer plan as soon as George decided to stay put... the Zubac trade I can’t understand, but let’s allow the summer to play out and then we can truly pass judgement...
The Zubac trade is the only long term move that has no justification, everything else has had an end in mind... let’s see what happens...
Watch Magic make a move that sets the franchise back 5 years.
He has already added $5m to our salary cap for the next 3 years prematurely with the Deng buyout and let Randle walk for nothing - when they could have locked him up long term on a cap friendly deal.
Now we are desperate in another offseason where players are going to be signing outrageous contracts because everyone has salary cap space.
Again, I understand the negativity, I really do... However, this was a 2 summer plan as soon as George decided to stay put... the Zubac trade I can’t understand, but let’s allow the summer to play out and then we can truly pass judgement...
The Zubac trade is the only long term move that has no justification, everything else has had an end in mind... let’s see what happens...
What was the long-term justification for letting Randle walk? We could have forced him to play for the QO. What was the reason for waiving Deng so early?
Jeanie won't fire Magic. If anything, they will just bring in other minds to make basketball decisions and Magic will be a figurehead. Oh wait, that's already what's happening.
Magic has input and play an important role but Palinka and the Buss kids are essential to basketball decisions. I get it, Magic is the voice of the FO and talks big, so he is bound to get the hate for failures, but he isn't the mastermind of these decisions.
You think Magic is listening to Pelinka and the Buss kids when it comes to final decisions?
Magic has run all his businesses this way. I'm sure he wasn't making decisions about Starbucks, movie theaters, etc. He admits he hires experts to run his businesses and he is just the owner/figurehead/schmoozer.
I get it, Magic is the voice of the FO and talks big, so he is bound to get the hate for failures, but he isn't the mastermind of these decisions.
Is that why it was Magic who went to Chino and left all the true basketball minds at home when they gave Lonzo a 2nd workout after he struggled in his first?
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:01 pm Post subject:
OCWA wrote:
The Lebrons wrote:
OCWA wrote:
Jeanie won't fire Magic. If anything, they will just bring in other minds to make basketball decisions and Magic will be a figurehead. Oh wait, that's already what's happening.
Magic has input and play an important role but Palinka and the Buss kids are essential to basketball decisions. I get it, Magic is the voice of the FO and talks big, so he is bound to get the hate for failures, but he isn't the mastermind of these decisions.
You think Magic is listening to Pelinka and the Buss kids when it comes to final decisions?
Magic has run all his businesses this way. I'm sure he wasn't making decisions about Starbucks, movie theaters, etc. He admits he hires experts to run his businesses and he is just the owner/figurehead/schmoozer.
I think this is different, since, unlike those other business, he fancied himself the authority when it comes to basketball. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
Theyll get desperate this summer and do anything and everything to make the playoffs next season. We won't win but we make the playoffs. _________________ Music is my medicine
Magic has a plan, he should be allowed to attempt it. Unlike Jim and Mitch who weren’t allowed to follow their plan.
I agree let Magic's plan run its course. I think the execution of the overall plan is going well. He got us Lebron and when PG didnt materialize he went with plan B which was punting cap space to 2019 to net one of the many elite FAs. No complaints with this at all. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi
Jeanie won't fire Magic. If anything, they will just bring in other minds to make basketball decisions and Magic will be a figurehead. Oh wait, that's already what's happening.
Magic has input and play an important role but Palinka and the Buss kids are essential to basketball decisions. I get it, Magic is the voice of the FO and talks big, so he is bound to get the hate for failures, but he isn't the mastermind of these decisions.
You think Magic is listening to Pelinka and the Buss kids when it comes to final decisions?
Magic has run all his businesses this way. I'm sure he wasn't making decisions about Starbucks, movie theaters, etc. He admits he hires experts to run his businesses and he is just the owner/figurehead/schmoozer.
I think this is different, since, unlike those other business, he fancied himself the authority when it comes to basketball.
I posted in another thread a link to a video where Magic (A Dodgers owner) is talking as an authority about the Dodgers and their personnel. Magic is not making Dodgers decisions. I understand with basketball his ego may play more of a role, but I think he plays a similar figurehead role with the Lakers. I could be wrong, but my opinion is based on the way he has done things in the past.
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