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MickMgl
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| Stumpy25 wrote: | Jeanne is smarter and more talented than most people here think. She plays the part of damsel in distress but she's more like a dragon.
I think as this story unfolds people will realize that Magic was no angel, and that she knew that he was going to quit. In other words he just didn't quit, she just kinda opened the door for him. |
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JerryMagicKobe
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| x75274 wrote: | | Who cares if it is sexist? |
Ummm, almost everyone?
| x75274 wrote: | | She is horrible and is the person most responsible for turning the greatest basketball organization into the biggest joke. |
Just say that and leave gender out of it. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakers exceptionalism is the problem. Lack of hiring the best people is the problem. |
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MickMgl
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Username wrote: | | There's a lot of covert sexism on this board regarding Jeanie. It's really something to behold. |
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Sentient Meat
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| trablos wrote: |
I generally agree, but Masai was hated for all but a few weeks after shipping Derozan, even when he promised him to his face that he wouldn't. Now he's viewed as one of the best execs in the league. Winning solves everything. |
Yeah I think that's uncool, but to me there's a difference between trading a max agent who has enormous amount of money vs. two role players who are much more severely impacted by being uprooted.
It's wrong in both cases... but at least there's a point to having some secrecy with a huge agent and a blockbuster trade.
What they did to Nance and especially Bogut was uncalled for and is just the sign of a morally bankrupt culture.
If I hear more stories about Ujiri doing stuff like that I'll probably end up disliking him too. |
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MickMgl
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| kobe_luver wrote: | I wish Luke would leave but I doubt he would leave us to go to the Kings.
Jeanie is the main problem because major decisions are up to her and if she does keep Luke and Pelinka then we are worse off than we were with Magic here and him firing them both. |
One major decision she fumbled, and that's hiring Magic and/or shutting out West... which may have been linked, as it was reportedly Magic who didn't want Jerry looking over his shoulder.
Wrestling the team away from Jim was a positive. She didn't put him in charge of Basketball Ops. Her father did. That was HIS gaffe.
Saving the team from continued demolition by Magic on behalf of Lebron & Klutch is another positive. |
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LakesGnrLake
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| There can't honestly be people who think people are going after Jeanie because she is a woman? I guess people weren't calling for Mitch and Jim's heads or about another other Laker who wasn't performing up to expectations. Fact of the matter is if she was doing a good job people wouldn't be saying anything about her. |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Injuries are the problem. We were 4th |
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MickMgl
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Username wrote: | | Threatt_Level wrote: | | Username wrote: | | There's a lot of covert sexism on this board regarding Jeanie. It's really something to behold. |
How is it sexist to point out that she's bad at her job? Terribly-run organizations always start at the top. A competent owner wouldn't have hired a POBO with no previous scouting or GM experience and then chose the GM that works under him. |
If you think she's bad at her job, that's fine. But all these comments about her being too emotional, claiming she's sleeping with Luke, making decisions based on relationships, turning the front office into a girls club with Linda, etc. are just asinine and absolutely carry hints of subtle sexism. |
Not even that subtle, if you ask me. |
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LakesGnrLake
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Injuries are the problem. We were 4th |
The entire org. is the problem starting from owners going down to the training staff. Lakers have been suffering from the same problems for years. Eventually you're going to get off the crutch of saying injuries got us again after saying it for the 4th year in a row. |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Injuries are the problem. We were 4th |
The entire org. is the problem starting from owners going down to the training staff. Lakers have been suffering from the same problems for years. Eventually you're going to get off the crutch of saying injuries got us again after saying it for the 4th year in a row. |
Lost a lot of games to injury. |
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LakerLanny
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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The results don't lie, Jeannie is a bottom 5 owner or worse in the NBA.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | The results don't lie, Jeannie is a bottom 5 owner or worse in the NBA. |
It doesn’t seem like they are putting money into the business. Sports medicine, analytics and player development lag behind much of the league.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | The results don't lie, Jeannie is a bottom 5 owner or worse in the NBA. |
It doesn’t seem like they are putting money into the business. Sports medicine, analytics and player development lag behind much of the league. |
You think it's because the Lakers are their source of income/lifestyle, a failure to adapt or both? |
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| strong9 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | The results don't lie, Jeannie is a bottom 5 owner or worse in the NBA. |
It doesn’t seem like they are putting money into the business. Sports medicine, analytics and player development lag behind much of the league. |
You think it's because the Lakers are their source of income/lifestyle, a failure to adapt or both? |
I think a failure to adapt. They know teams need those things, and give it lip service, but don’t produce results.
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LakesGnrLake
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| strong9 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | The results don't lie, Jeannie is a bottom 5 owner or worse in the NBA. |
It doesn’t seem like they are putting money into the business. Sports medicine, analytics and player development lag behind much of the league. |
You think it's because the Lakers are their source of income/lifestyle, a failure to adapt or both? |
Both. Most of these teams have owners who see their team as a multi billion dollar corporation and set their budgets to have a modern staff/doctors/facilities. Just look at what the 76ers do with their freaking meals/nutrition they have for their players. Laker players still be sippin on chocolate milk. I think the Lakers being the main source of the Buss' income makes them reluctant to pour money into things like cutting edge nutritionist or trainers. |
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| Username wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Jeanie was around for Jim/Mitch, then Magic/Rob, and whoever replaces Magic/Rob.
She has been the constant. We can blame the Departed as much as we want but she has always hovered above them all. |
She had no say in the Jim and Mitch era. Dr. Buss put Jim in charge of basketball operations and she sat off to the side and let him do his thing. The only hires you can directly relate to her are Magic and Rob. |
Hit pieces from Ding two days before every Free Agent deadline? Constant reminders conveyed very publicly through the press about Jim's self-imposed deadline? Oh yeah, right. Jeannie just sat off to the side and let them do their thing. Good one!  |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Yes go ahead and fire the managing partner, give it a shot 😂
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RestEasyBlackMamba
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeanie has presided over the worse span in Lakers history. Yeah she has a lot to blame. She’s managing the Lakers like a small market team. |
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| KBH wrote: | | There's a report from Woj that Luke could be the frontrunner for the Kings job now that it's open. If I'm Luke, I ask Jeanie to let me go if that's the case just to get out of this environment. |
And give up the evening glass off at Manhattan beach for.... Sacto??? Lol |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Username wrote: | | Threatt_Level wrote: | | Username wrote: | | There's a lot of covert sexism on this board regarding Jeanie. It's really something to behold. |
How is it sexist to point out that she's bad at her job? Terribly-run organizations always start at the top. A competent owner wouldn't have hired a POBO with no previous scouting or GM experience and then chose the GM that works under him. |
If you think she's bad at her job, that's fine. But all these comments about her being too emotional, claiming she's sleeping with Luke, making decisions based on relationships, turning the front office into a girls club with Linda, etc. are just asinine and absolutely carry hints of subtle sexism. |
Haven't been able to read the whole thread but if your statement is true, I would agree with your conclusion. Honestly LG has officially imploded on itself. Everyone has become the judge and executioner. Out of their minds with dissatisfaction. Not a good look. But that will all turn around now, we got Luke cemented as coach, Pelinka and his apparent back stabbing tendencies in position to increase his power base. That will all be cemented when we can't find a good general to lead the troops because everyone knows that they will NOT be able to hire and fire their supporting cast. Doomed, we are doomed!!!
But everyone got what they wanted. The Magic is gone!!! Good luck Lakers fans!
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | | strong9 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | The results don't lie, Jeannie is a bottom 5 owner or worse in the NBA. |
It doesn’t seem like they are putting money into the business. Sports medicine, analytics and player development lag behind much of the league. |
You think it's because the Lakers are their source of income/lifestyle, a failure to adapt or both? |
Both. Most of these teams have owners who see their team as a multi billion dollar corporation and set their budgets to have a modern staff/doctors/facilities. Just look at what the 76ers do with their freaking meals/nutrition they have for their players. Laker players still be sippin on chocolate milk. I think the Lakers being the main source of the Buss' income makes them reluctant to pour money into things like cutting edge nutritionist or trainers. |
I've often heard this theory, but Ive never seen any evidence that really contradicts or supports it.
I did a quick skim, and didn't really seen a correlation between the size of NBA team's analytics departments and the net wealth of the owners. The Lakers have a small department, but so do a bunch of teams that are owned by billionaires.
And the Lakers have a full-time nutritionist on staff, and a full complement of trainers, so I don't know that they are spending any less in these areas than other NBA teams.
So it's pretty hard to get a handle on budgets. And, of course, even if an owner is really rich, that doesn't mean he's willing to subsidize losses for his NBA team with his other businesses. |
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| Jeanie is not the problem. She wants to win and she is a caring person. You can tell that she is a simple thinker just in her demeanor. Rob is a snake and magic was not. What we need is a VP honey badger that can rip apart snakes. Jeanie needs to find that honey badger |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | strong9 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | The results don't lie, Jeannie is a bottom 5 owner or worse in the NBA. |
It doesn’t seem like they are putting money into the business. Sports medicine, analytics and player development lag behind much of the league. |
You think it's because the Lakers are their source of income/lifestyle, a failure to adapt or both? |
I think a failure to adapt. They know teams need those things, and give it lip service, but don’t produce results. |
I agree with a failure to adapt and a continued belief in exceptionalism as the biggest issues. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| 999 wrote: | | Jeanie is not the problem. She wants to win and she is a caring person. You can tell that she is a simple thinker just in her demeanor. Rob is a snake and magic was not. What we need is a VP honey badger that can rip apart snakes. Jeanie needs to find that honey badger |
She cares more about her friends than hiring competent management and putting a winning team. |
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