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Worst post-Phil coach?
Mike Brown
11%
 11%  [ 11 ]
Mike D'Antoni
16%
 16%  [ 16 ]
Byron Scott
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 65%  [ 65 ]
Luke Walton
8%
 8%  [ 8 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:29 am    Post subject: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

From best to worst:

1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.

2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.

3) Luke Walton-- No comment.

4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.

For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

CandyCanes wrote:
From best to worst:

1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.

2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.

3) Luke Walton-- No comment.

4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.

For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?


You drastically overvalue D’Antoni.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:35 am    Post subject:

I think that order is correct.

Not sure many will debate that.

Only thing you can say is that maybe Luke will learn and grow better than Mike over time.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

BigGameHames wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
From best to worst:

1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.

2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.

3) Luke Walton-- No comment.

4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.

For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?


You drastically overvalue D’Antoni.


He's comparing him to Brown, Walton, and Scott

Not Popovich, Daly, and Auerbach.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:36 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 am    Post subject:

No offense meant, but isn't this like trying to figure out which awful disease you want to perish from?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 am    Post subject:

MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

Sentient Meat wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
From best to worst:

1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.

2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.

3) Luke Walton-- No comment.

4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.

For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?


You drastically overvalue D’Antoni.


He's comparing him to Brown, Walton, and Scott

Not Popovich, Daly, and Auerbach.


He is judging him against Pop. Claimed he’s top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league. He is neither. Also claimed he overachieved in both years which is also incorrect.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject:

Luke wasn't a bad coach, per se. That's one of the reasons for why he got rehired so quickly.

Luke had a difficult set of circumstances to deal with, and he had very young players.

That said, Luke's teams failed to master the fundamentals (free throws, effort) of the game on a consistent basis. I don't know if that's personnel, or coach.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

BigGameHames wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
From best to worst:

1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.

2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.

3) Luke Walton-- No comment.

4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.

For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?


You drastically overvalue D’Antoni.


He's comparing him to Brown, Walton, and Scott

Not Popovich, Daly, and Auerbach.


He is judging him against Pop. Claimed he’s top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league. He is neither. Also claimed he overachieved in both years which is also incorrect.


Ah, I see what you mean.

Well D'Antoni got the Suns and Rockets in title contention so he deserves some respect... didn't work out here but there were a lot of personality clashes so who knows what might have happened had Nash not been injured.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:05 am    Post subject:

MikeD, Luke, MikeB, BScott
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

CandyCanes wrote:
For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?


all ahead of Byron.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:10 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
MDA
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Byron


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject:

MDA - slightly above average coach who can excel with the right types of players of his roster. Lacked the ability to get the most out of the talent he was given, no creativity, a lot of whining, not much of a leader.

Luke - slightly below average coach. Doesn’t understand modern offense or optimizing personnel, had guys motivated though, not intellectual enough to make up for his lack of experience.

Brown - poor coach. Poor leader. Some good ideas, lacked the leadership abilities and the intellect to see these ideas through.

Bryon - one of the worst coaches in NBA history, record wise the worst. Didn’t understand the basics of modern basketball, horrible with personnel relationships, no idea how to develop talent or lead men. Poor understanding of required skill sets and worse understanding of how to put effective lineups on the floor.

I think in the end the common theme here is that we are hiring dumb people to do an intellectual job. I think the same thing can be said for president of Basketball operations. MDA is a smart enough guy, but lacked the intellectual flexibility of a Phil Jackson.

I’m a pretty smart dude but I know smarter. Whoever is coaching the lakers and making 20x what I make should be smarter and more capable than me. Looking at guys like Luke and Byron it’s safe to say that isn’t the case.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:11 am    Post subject:

Byron Scott is the worst and it's not even close. Dude still thinks he's in 1980.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject:

Byron was the worst, but I would also say he had the worst talent on his teams.

D'antoni is the best coach, but its all about the system with him. If you fit, he can make you look like a good player (Jodie meeks), if you don't then...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

BigGameHames wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
From best to worst:

1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.

2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.

3) Luke Walton-- No comment.

4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.

For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?


You drastically overvalue D’Antoni.


He's comparing him to Brown, Walton, and Scott

Not Popovich, Daly, and Auerbach.


He is judging him against Pop. Claimed he’s top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league. He is neither. Also claimed he overachieved in both years which is also incorrect.


I would say it's basically Popovich/Budenholzer and then maybe Brad Stevens and then D'Antoni right now. D'Antoni is a two time coach of the year who coached the Rockets to the best record in the league last year and brought them within a game of taking down GSW-- and they probably would have if Chris Paul hadn't gotten hurt. Nash was never talked about as an MVP level player before he had D'Antoni as a coach.

Even in his much maligned tenure as head coach of the 2012-2013 Lakers, I still think he overachieved. Nash was injured for most of the season, Pau was a shell of himself, and Dwight wasn't the same player he was in Orlando and yet the Lakers still finished the season 28-12.

He was the perfect coach for guys like Russell, Ball, Clarkson, and Randle. Too bad we let him go.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Rank the post-Phil coaches from best to worst: Brown, D'Antoni, Scott, Walton

BigGameHames wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
From best to worst:

1) D'Antoni-- An elite coach who overachieved in both seasons despite not being given a roster that fit his style of coaching. Current top 5 if not top 3 coach in the league.

2) Mike Brown-- Below average, but at least basically had the right idea of playing a grind-it-out style against OKC in the playoffs that year. Team was just outmatched and didn't have a decent PG.

3) Luke Walton-- No comment.

4) Byron Scott- Had absolutely no idea what he was doing; isn't not even fit to be an assistant coach.

For fun, where would Tomjanovich, Del Harris, Mike Dunleavy, and Kurt Rambis fall in this hierarchy?


You drastically overvalue D’Antoni.


I don't think so. IMO, in the history of the game, he's at the top in terms of getting the most out of the hand he's dealt. But in LA LA land we're always looking for greener pasture as if the coaching stability in the past had nothing to do with Magic/Kareem/Worthy/Kobe/Shaq. If we land a max free agent to go with Bron and these improving kids, all of a sudden, Monty or Ty Lue is going to be one hell of a coach!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:46 am    Post subject:

Pretty much comes down to: if you don't take us to the promise land, you won't matter as a coach in L.A. (well, except for Paul Westhead who Magic shipped out).

It's crazy, that only 4 coaches have taken the Los Angeles Lakers to the promise land.

Sharman (1)
Westhead (1)
Riley (4)
Phil (5)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:51 am    Post subject:

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MDA.

Right coach, wrong time period and definitely the wrong personnel.

Ironic b/c Pau bristled at launching 3s and now he does that without hesitation.


Pau wasn't the only big man who didn't like MDA. And Kobe pretty much abandoned MDA's "system" to get us into the playoffs.

Not to mention how MDA literally played Kobe till he tore his achilles. People give Thibs (bleep) for running people into the ground. As far as I'm concerned MDA broke Kobe.

But he would've been a great coach for DLO.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:51 am    Post subject:

D'Antoni was a great coach thrust into the wrong situation.

Brown was again the wrong hire for the personnel he was given.

Luke is too early to comment on, the early returns are not great but he has time to improve.

Byron... no.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:54 am    Post subject:

Is it weird I think Luke got the most buy in out of all of them?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject:

Seriously that OKC game.

Watched the Lakers outplay the OKC Thunder in 3 of those 4 losses and then just lose it at the very end, it was heartbreaking.

Watching them essentially have a perfect strategy up till the last moments hurt me, because we could have beat them.

Again, I think one of the biggest issues with Mike Brown, to a fault he is a players coach, and he gives the veterans a gigantic voice. That's not necessarily a bad thing..

But when Kobe came to him about running the Princeton offense because it was something akin to the triangle that he felt he and Pau could excel in, and Mike Brown went away from the Spurs twin tower offense that he was trying to run with Pau and Bynum (to effectiveness) in order to placate that.

That was a very big downside, because Brown went full in on the offense, but really had no idea how to properly coach it.


I think if we'd stuck with the twin tower spurs offense, while utilizing Nash off ball in Fisher's place that we'd have been much more effective.

But hey D'Antoni was pretty good for us, just the fans weren't ready to let go of Phil and refused to acknowledge the league WAS going in that direction, and the second they got rid of D'Antoni for Scott, the Warriors started their dynasty.

The Lakers went from being two steps ahead, to a step behind, and have been that ever since.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:23 pm    Post subject:

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MDA
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Byron

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