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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Jeopardy James is the reason why Jeopardy beat Judge Judy in the ratings lately. |
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LarryCoon Site Staff
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:39 am Post subject: |
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The Lebrons wrote: | His strategy is he buzzes in first and gets all the questions right. |
I'm pretty sure that's everybody's strategy, who's ever played. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:48 am Post subject: |
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VicXLakers wrote: | fwiw...
How James Holzhauer Broke Jeopardy - Cheddar Explains
Quote: | James Holzhauer is on track to be the highest winning Jeopardy contestant of all time. How is he doing this? James is professional gambler and his game-play strategy proves it. Cheddar explains how James is controlling the Jeopardy board. |
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Going for the big money "answers" first and getting those correct practically eliminates the chance for a come back.
Then it just leaves the Daily Doubles. He's the riskiest of them all.
It's like watching applied analytics in Jeopardy. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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LarryCoon Site Staff
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | VicXLakers wrote: | fwiw...
How James Holzhauer Broke Jeopardy - Cheddar Explains
Quote: | James Holzhauer is on track to be the highest winning Jeopardy contestant of all time. How is he doing this? James is professional gambler and his game-play strategy proves it. Cheddar explains how James is controlling the Jeopardy board. |
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Going for the big money "answers" first and getting those correct practically eliminates the chance for a come back.
Then it just leaves the Daily Doubles. He's the riskiest of them all.
It's like watching applied analytics in Jeopardy. |
I didn't watch the video, but I'd be pretty certain he's using analytics pretty extensively. I don't think the placement of the daily doubles is random, and even if he hits one and gets the question wrong, it's an opportunity cost for the other players with the daily double taken off the board. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm in awe of Holzhauer. A gambler with a high school education. He must be a avid reader. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:18 am Post subject: |
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jonnybravo wrote: |
Yeah, agreed. I"ve mentioned it either in this thread or some other Jeopardy thread years ago for sure but Ken Jennings LOOOONG ago mentioned buzzer timing as being the #1 skill since everyone knows most of the questions. I've yapped about it for years... You can see them clicking. As a Jeopardy nerd since the 80s, you can 100% see people trying to click while the incumbent gets in the buzzer.
Irrespective of that, 97% is 97%. I'd like to see the #'s of other long time champs but I'm sure they're all within the same category. But if a normal "champ" iseven 1 or 2 questions wrong in comparison, that % dips substantially. I guess it's an issue of semantics. One extra missed 3 every 2-3 games for Steph and he goes from the greatest shooter to ever walk the earth to a REALLY good NBA 3 point shooter. To me, him "barely" being 2-3% better than his peers who all exist at the highest levels makes him an outlier. At the highest levels of any competition, there doesn't exist outliers that are multiple standard deviations away. None that I can think of.
For what it's worth, I don't' think you could pay Ken enough to say something that pats his intellect/knowledge base on the back. Come on man. |
Yeah, that's a fair take. But like you said, 97% doesn't mean much without being able to contextualize it with the accuracy of other champs. If Reggie Miller and Ray Allen shot 45% from 3 for their career, Steph looks less impressive.
As far as Jennings not patting himself on the back... I suggest you listen to the podcast I mentioned. Nothing suggested to me he said this out of humility. The entire thing is framed around Holzhauer's success, which allowed him several opportunities to praise Holzhauer's knowledge without coming off as prideful. It'd actually be pretty self-absorbed to give knowingly incorrect analysis about Holzhauer just for the sake of humility. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 11:20 am Post subject: |
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LarryCoon wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | VicXLakers wrote: | fwiw...
How James Holzhauer Broke Jeopardy - Cheddar Explains
Quote: | James Holzhauer is on track to be the highest winning Jeopardy contestant of all time. How is he doing this? James is professional gambler and his game-play strategy proves it. Cheddar explains how James is controlling the Jeopardy board. |
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Going for the big money "answers" first and getting those correct practically eliminates the chance for a come back.
Then it just leaves the Daily Doubles. He's the riskiest of them all.
It's like watching applied analytics in Jeopardy. |
I didn't watch the video, but I'd be pretty certain he's using analytics pretty extensively. I don't think the placement of the daily doubles is random, and even if he hits one and gets the question wrong, it's an opportunity cost for the other players with the daily double taken off the board. |
Daily doubles are usually in the 3rd and 4th rows, statistically. By going for all the $1000s early, it reduces his odds of a daily double without a lot of money. Then he goes daily double hunting. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going conspiracy theory. Somebody's giving this guy the questions. Remember 1964?
Seriously, Holzhauer is a phenom. His trivia and all round knowledge is astounding. He's on pace to and I think will break Ken Jennings record of $2,520,700.
Question that eliminated Jennings.[i][u] ”Most of this firm's 70,000 seasonal white-collar employees work only four months a year, Jennings answered FedEx the answer was H&R Block. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | I'm going conspiracy theory. Somebody's giving this guy the questions. Remember 1964?
Seriously, Holzhauer is a phenom. His trivia and all round knowledge is astounding. He's on pace to and I think will break Ken Jennings record of $2,520,700. |
Extremely doubtful. The ramifications for that being found out would not be worth the risk. And if Ken Jennings could do it legitimately, why can't Holzhauer who has obviously found a very legit strategy? _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | I'm going conspiracy theory. Somebody's giving this guy the questions. Remember 1964?
Seriously, Holzhauer is a phenom. His trivia and all round knowledge is astounding. He's on pace to and I think will break Ken Jennings record of $2,520,700. |
Extremely doubtful. The ramifications for that being found out would not be worth the risk. And if Ken Jennings could do it legitimately, why can't Holzhauer who has obviously found a very legit strategy? |
Did you read my entire post? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | I'm going conspiracy theory. Somebody's giving this guy the questions. Remember 1964?
Seriously, Holzhauer is a phenom. His trivia and all round knowledge is astounding. He's on pace to and I think will break Ken Jennings record of $2,520,700. |
Extremely doubtful. The ramifications for that being found out would not be worth the risk. And if Ken Jennings could do it legitimately, why can't Holzhauer who has obviously found a very legit strategy? |
Did you read my entire post? |
I did. Did you read everything you wrote? _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | I'm going conspiracy theory. Somebody's giving this guy the questions. Remember 1964?
Seriously, Holzhauer is a phenom. His trivia and all round knowledge is astounding. He's on pace to and I think will break Ken Jennings record of $2,520,700. |
Extremely doubtful. The ramifications for that being found out would not be worth the risk. And if Ken Jennings could do it legitimately, why can't Holzhauer who has obviously found a very legit strategy? |
Did you read my entire post? |
I did. Did you read everything you wrote? |
Yep. The beginning was sarcasm. LINK Is yours broken? wooosh! _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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The Lebrons Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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LarryCoon wrote: | The Lebrons wrote: | His strategy is he buzzes in first and gets all the questions right. |
I'm pretty sure that's everybody's strategy, who's ever played. |
I've heard too many people talking about his "innovative strategy", as if his success is due to some tactical decisions. |
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The Lebrons Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Also Brad Rutter is the real Jeopardy GOAT. |
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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The Lebrons wrote: | Also Brad Rutter is the real Jeopardy GOAT. |
He's won more money than either Ken or James. Go to champions tournament and win more money.... |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 4:52 am Post subject: |
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The Lebrons wrote: | LarryCoon wrote: | The Lebrons wrote: | His strategy is he buzzes in first and gets all the questions right. |
I'm pretty sure that's everybody's strategy, who's ever played. |
I've heard too many people talking about his "innovative strategy", as if his success is due to some tactical decisions. |
It actually is due to tactical decisions in addition to getting the questions right.
Getting the questions right will get you his kind of winning streak.
It's the tactical decisions that sets him apart form other winners. In his first 22 appearances, Holzhauer had already taken ownership of the top 12 best single game Jeopardy scores in history.
In those 22 appearances, he broke the $2M barrier, which took Ken Jennings 74 appearances to cross.
If he went after the small value clues before hitting the daily doubles, and got most of the questions right, he'd still have his win streak but not the unprecedented single game scores he's amassing. |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Watched him last night in what is becoming a typical performance.
Neither he or his competitors answered a single question wrong, there were two questions that no one buzzed in on.
Here are some stats from last night, even though the other two competitors didn't miss a question, they were done long before Final Jeopardy due to Holzhauer's incredible play.
Here is the link that I got these stats from:
https://thejeopardyfan.com/2019/05/final-jeopardy-5-27-2019.html
Scores going into Final:
James $72,022
Monica $6,600
Scott $6,200
Tonight’s results:
Scott $6,200 + $6,199 = $12,399
Monica $6,600 + $6,595 = $13,195
James $72,022 + $58,000 = $130,022 (28-day total: $2,195,557)
James Holzhauer, today's Jeopardy! winner (for the May 27, 2019 game.)
Scores after the Jeopardy! Round:
James $21,800
Scott $3,000
Monica $600
Opening break taken after: 15 clues
Daily Double locations:
1) SOME TIMES $800 (12th pick)
James 8200 +8200 (Scott 1000 Monica 0)
2) POETIC GEOGRAPHY $2000 (4th pick)
James 24200 +11022 (Scott 3000 Monica 2200)
3) MY CABINET JOB $2000 (14th pick)
James 41622 +20000 (Monica 4600 Scott 3000)
Overall Daily Double Efficiency for this game: 194
Unplayed clues:
J! round: None!
DJ! Round: None!
Total $ Left On Board: $0
Game Stats:
James $37,600 Coryat, 40 correct, 0 incorrect, 64.91% in first on buzzer
Monica $6,600 Coryat, 8 correct, 0 incorrect, 14.04% in first on buzzer
Scott $6,200 Coryat, 10 correct, 0 incorrect, 17.54% in first on buzzer
Combined Coryat Score: $50,400
Lach Trash: $3,600 (on 2 Triple Stumpers)
Coryat lost to incorrect responses (less double-correct responses): $0
James Holzhauer, stats to date:
1,018 correct, 31 incorrect
31/34 on rebound attempts (on 62 rebound opportunities)
58.37% in first on buzzer (921/1578)
62/66 on Daily Doubles (Net Earned: $584,876)
27/28 in Final Jeopardy
Average Coryat: $30,807
James Holzhauer, to win:
29 games: 98.031%
30: 96.101%
31: 94.209%
32: 92.355%
33: 90.537%
75: 39.278%
Avg. streak: 77.795 games. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Jordan-esque Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Could pass Ken Jennings on Monday _________________
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BigBallerBrand Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Just got a BREAKING NEWS notification from NYT about tonight’s episode....needless to say something happened that was worthy of a push alert _________________ Billions Billions Billions |
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:38 am Post subject: |
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BigBallerBrand wrote: | Just got a <b>BREAKING NEWS</b> notification from NYT about tonight’s episode....needless to say something happened that was worthy of a push alert |
Apparently its a must watch episode. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I know but won't reveal the spoiler. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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VicXLakers Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:21 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | I know but won't reveal the spoiler. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Wow. Can’t believe he was disqualified for cheating! |
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VicXLakers Franchise Player
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ringfinger wrote: | Wow. Can’t believe he was disqualified for cheating! |
fox fake news? |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: |
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VicXLakers wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Wow. Can’t believe he was disqualified for cheating! |
fox fake news? |
Hahaha. Any one of those mainstream outlets.
Trying to keep people off what is the obvious conclusion man! |
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