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ringfinger
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Other than Louis Farrakhan, most of those people were permanently banned from Twitter some as far back as 2016. |
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adkindo
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: |
Other than Louis Farrakhan, most of those people were permanently banned from Twitter some as far back as 2016. |
Facebook is becoming too irrelevant to read past the headline....MySpace banning anyone lately? |
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: |
Other than Louis Farrakhan, most of those people were permanently banned from Twitter some as far back as 2016. |
That poster could rally use a quick listen to that podcast to educate themselves a little bit. They discuss the banning of Jones and Milo in the first hour. But apparently they know all they need to know already. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
Other than Louis Farrakhan, most of those people were permanently banned from Twitter some as far back as 2016. |
That poster could rally use a quick listen to that podcast to educate themselves a little bit. They discuss the banning of Jones and Milo in the first hour. But apparently they know all they need to know already. |
That, by definition, is an echo chamber heh.
To be fair though, it's possible the comment was meant specifically for calling for the banishment of Louis Farrakhan on Twitter. |
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
Other than Louis Farrakhan, most of those people were permanently banned from Twitter some as far back as 2016. |
That poster could rally use a quick listen to that podcast to educate themselves a little bit. They discuss the banning of Jones and Milo in the first hour. But apparently they know all they need to know already. |
That, by definition, is an echo chamber heh.
To be fair though, it's possible the comment was meant specifically for calling for the banishment of Louis Farrakhan on Twitter. |
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ringfinger
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| adkindo wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
Other than Louis Farrakhan, most of those people were permanently banned from Twitter some as far back as 2016. |
That poster could rally use a quick listen to that podcast to educate themselves a little bit. They discuss the banning of Jones and Milo in the first hour. But apparently they know all they need to know already. |
That, by definition, is an echo chamber heh.
To be fair though, it's possible the comment was meant specifically for calling for the banishment of Louis Farrakhan on Twitter. |
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Hahaha. I’m giving the benefit of doubt here! Lol |
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James Woods is suspended (not banned, but still) from Twitter for tweeting:
“If you try to kill the King, you best not miss’ #HangThemAll“
This was apparently a line used in The Wire. Woods was referencing the Mueller Report. |
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ani007
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| Surfitall wrote: | James Woods is suspended (not banned, but still) from Twitter for tweeting:
“If you try to kill the King, you best not miss’ #HangThemAll“
This was apparently a line used in The Wire. Woods was referencing the Mueller Report. |
"Come at the king, you best not miss." –Omar
i would have to assume the hang them all part was the point of contention. that's more game of thrones territory.. |
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tox
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More like your move, YouTube. |
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tox
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| ani007 wrote: | | Surfitall wrote: | James Woods is suspended (not banned, but still) from Twitter for tweeting:
“If you try to kill the King, you best not miss’ #HangThemAll“
This was apparently a line used in The Wire. Woods was referencing the Mueller Report. |
"Come at the king, you best not miss." –Omar
i would have to assume the hang them all part was the point of contention. that's more game of thrones territory.. |
Hang them all is not a reference to anything in pop culture. "Burn them all" would be a GOT reference but once you talk about hanging it's no longer just a GOT allusion. |
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Talked to someone today who was mad about the bans. Said facebook should be regulated like a public utility. Nearly lost a lung laughing so hard. He supports Republicans who vote against net neutrality. The internet itself isn't even regulated like a public utility because of who he votes for.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Talked to someone today who was mad about the bans. Said facebook should be regulated like a public utility. Nearly lost a lung laughing so hard. He supports Republicans who vote against net neutrality. The internet itself isn't even regulated like a public utility because of who he votes for. |
He is mad about the bans but wants more regulation?
I’m only opposed to regulation because I don’t have direct control over the person with their finger on the regulatory trigger. |
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| tox wrote: | | ani007 wrote: | | Surfitall wrote: | James Woods is suspended (not banned, but still) from Twitter for tweeting:
“If you try to kill the King, you best not miss’ #HangThemAll“
This was apparently a line used in The Wire. Woods was referencing the Mueller Report. |
"Come at the king, you best not miss." –Omar
i would have to assume the hang them all part was the point of contention. that's more game of thrones territory.. |
Hang them all is not a reference to anything in pop culture. "Burn them all" would be a GOT reference but once you talk about hanging it's no longer just a GOT allusion. |
Yeah, it’s a straightforward, they are traitors, hang them all kind of reference prefaced by a line from the Wire, which btw also means that if you try to topple the king and don’t, you die.
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Omar Little
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| ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Talked to someone today who was mad about the bans. Said facebook should be regulated like a public utility. Nearly lost a lung laughing so hard. He supports Republicans who vote against net neutrality. The internet itself isn't even regulated like a public utility because of who he votes for. |
He is mad about the bans but wants more regulation?
I’m only opposed to regulation because I don’t have direct control over the person with their finger on the regulatory trigger. |
That’s one of the oldest myths in the book. Someone always has that finger. If it’s not a government regulator, it’s just a Zuck.
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ringfinger
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Talked to someone today who was mad about the bans. Said facebook should be regulated like a public utility. Nearly lost a lung laughing so hard. He supports Republicans who vote against net neutrality. The internet itself isn't even regulated like a public utility because of who he votes for. |
He is mad about the bans but wants more regulation?
I’m only opposed to regulation because I don’t have direct control over the person with their finger on the regulatory trigger. |
That’s one of the oldest myths in the book. Someone always has that finger. If it’s not a government regulator, it’s just a Zuck. |
True. But I can always choose a different platform, or build my own, with different regulatory practices that I’m ok with. That would not be the case with a single regulator. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Talked to someone today who was mad about the bans. Said facebook should be regulated like a public utility. Nearly lost a lung laughing so hard. He supports Republicans who vote against net neutrality. The internet itself isn't even regulated like a public utility because of who he votes for. |
He is mad about the bans but wants more regulation?
I’m only opposed to regulation because I don’t have direct control over the person with their finger on the regulatory trigger. |
That’s one of the oldest myths in the book. Someone always has that finger. If it’s not a government regulator, it’s just a Zuck. |
True. But I can always choose a different platform, or build my own, with different regulatory practices that I’m ok with. That would not be the case with a single regulator. |
Now we are to the myth of the single regulator, that lone wolf who only acts against (insert my ideology here). The simple fact is that regulation is one of the key and necessary parts of government, which makes up a key and necessary part of civilization.
This is all built on the libertarian myth that the principle element of society is the unfettered individual, and that the individual, and his (gender chosen on purpose) larger avatar, the market, is somehow a self regulating creature that bends ever so relentlessly toward balance and harmony.
The people who despise regulation tend to be the people who benefit from the inequity of its lack. The moneyed, the connected, the predators.
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tox
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Talked to someone today who was mad about the bans. Said facebook should be regulated like a public utility. Nearly lost a lung laughing so hard. He supports Republicans who vote against net neutrality. The internet itself isn't even regulated like a public utility because of who he votes for. |
He is mad about the bans but wants more regulation?
I’m only opposed to regulation because I don’t have direct control over the person with their finger on the regulatory trigger. |
That’s one of the oldest myths in the book. Someone always has that finger. If it’s not a government regulator, it’s just a Zuck. |
True. But I can always choose a different platform, or build my own, with different regulatory practices that I’m ok with. That would not be the case with a single regulator. |
You can't build an alternative to Facebook. There's a critical mass of a following you need to have, and becoming profitable is nigh impossible. Look at how Google+ failed. Same thing with Google, you'll never create a better search engine because you don't have their volume of data to train ML algorithms. Look at how bad Bing is.
Google itself has basically given up on Google Fiber, which is an indication of how hard it is to break into established fields as upstarts. What makes you think you could create anything better?
Also regulators do have accountability, just look at how ISP regulations (i.e. the FCC) have responded to presidential elections vis-a-vis net neutrality policies. Is it fine-grained? Maybe not, but you have more control than you do about 2 ISPs that actually provide service in your area. |
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^ Completely disagree you can’t build an alternative to Facebook. They are already faltering. I would agree it won’t be easy but Facebook isn’t going to last much longer IMO. There are existing alternatives already. Twitter, Insta, Snapchat, Whatsapp, etc.
Plus, there was a MySpace before Facebook.
And a Friendster before MySpace.
Even Apple was at one point on the brink of collapse.
Regulation of ISP and regulation of speech/content, two separate things. In full transprency, I am generally opposed to monopolies which is why I tend to fear regulation on many, but not all, things, but esp so a government monopoly as they do virtually nothing well. |
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First, nothing predating Facebook gets at its scale.
But more importantly, you only reinforce my point. Facebook's hegemony might fade, but what it will be replaced by will be another hegemony. Two of the companies you mentioned are owned by Facebook, and frankly the niche of all of them is different. No one gets political news from anywhere but Twitter and Facebook. So sure, you might replace Zuck with someone else but there's still a single person in charge.
If your argument is that stricter anti-trust standards could preclude regulation... well maybe. But you don't tend to find the anti-regulation people strongly supporting anti-trust legislation so I don't find that a convincing rebuttal. |
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| Surfitall wrote: | James Woods is suspended (not banned, but still) from Twitter for tweeting:
“If you try to kill the King, you best not miss’ #HangThemAll“
This was apparently a line used in The Wire. Woods was referencing the Mueller Report. |
that line, or similar lines long predate the Wire episode. |
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| tox wrote: | First, nothing predating Facebook gets at its scale.
But more importantly, you only reinforce my point. Facebook's hegemony might fade, but what it will be replaced by will be another hegemony. Two of the companies you mentioned are owned by Facebook, and frankly the niche of all of them is different. No one gets political news from anywhere but Twitter and Facebook. So sure, you might replace Zuck with someone else but there's still a single person in charge.
If your argument is that stricter anti-trust standards could preclude regulation... well maybe. But you don't tend to find the anti-regulation people strongly supporting anti-trust legislation so I don't find that a convincing rebuttal. |
My argument is that having a single arbiter for what content is acceptable or not, is not appealing to me. Unless, I get direct control over that arbiter so i can ensure it is acceptable to me.
Otherwise, I’d rather have the option of choice.
Zuck overseeing only the Facebook/Insta/Whatsapp platforms, is not the same to me, as a Donald Trump like or worse, overseeing every single platform.
The lack of regulation will allow for something new to emerge, and most market leaders struggle to dominate new eras because to do so tends to be self-destructive. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Surfitall wrote: | James Woods is suspended (not banned, but still) from Twitter for tweeting:
“If you try to kill the King, you best not miss’ #HangThemAll“
This was apparently a line used in The Wire. Woods was referencing the Mueller Report. |
that line, or similar lines long predate the Wire episode. |
I thought Ralph Waldo Emerson was in The Wire. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | tox wrote: | First, nothing predating Facebook gets at its scale.
But more importantly, you only reinforce my point. Facebook's hegemony might fade, but what it will be replaced by will be another hegemony. Two of the companies you mentioned are owned by Facebook, and frankly the niche of all of them is different. No one gets political news from anywhere but Twitter and Facebook. So sure, you might replace Zuck with someone else but there's still a single person in charge.
If your argument is that stricter anti-trust standards could preclude regulation... well maybe. But you don't tend to find the anti-regulation people strongly supporting anti-trust legislation so I don't find that a convincing rebuttal. |
My argument is that having a single arbiter for what content is acceptable or not, is not appealing to me. Unless, I get direct control over that arbiter so i can ensure it is acceptable to me.
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Well, that kind of defeats the idea of regulation. Because of course the people who are "regulated against" are not going to be happy. If there was universal happiness with the regulator, they probably are not very active or necessary. It is precisely because some people don't support regulation that it is necessary.
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| Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Surfitall wrote: | James Woods is suspended (not banned, but still) from Twitter for tweeting:
“If you try to kill the King, you best not miss’ #HangThemAll“
This was apparently a line used in The Wire. Woods was referencing the Mueller Report. |
that line, or similar lines long predate the Wire episode. |
I thought Ralph Waldo Emerson was in The Wire. |
Emerson's quote was “When you strike at a king, you must kill him.”...which is why I said similar lines, because his quote has been altered many times, but they are all a play of the original. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | tox wrote: | First, nothing predating Facebook gets at its scale.
But more importantly, you only reinforce my point. Facebook's hegemony might fade, but what it will be replaced by will be another hegemony. Two of the companies you mentioned are owned by Facebook, and frankly the niche of all of them is different. No one gets political news from anywhere but Twitter and Facebook. So sure, you might replace Zuck with someone else but there's still a single person in charge.
If your argument is that stricter anti-trust standards could preclude regulation... well maybe. But you don't tend to find the anti-regulation people strongly supporting anti-trust legislation so I don't find that a convincing rebuttal. |
My argument is that having a single arbiter for what content is acceptable or not, is not appealing to me. Unless, I get direct control over that arbiter so i can ensure it is acceptable to me.
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Well, that kind of defeats the idea of regulation. Because of course the people who are "regulated against" are not going to be happy. If there was universal happiness with the regulator, they probably are not very active or necessary. It is precisely because some people don't support regulation that it is necessary. |
just trying make sure I understand your position, you support government regulation of social media? |
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