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Nash Vegas
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Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said.
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | ^So you believed in a 35y/o Bron/Rondo depth chart at PG for an 82 game season closely followed by a 2.5 month postseason calendar. Cool!
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Lebron is playing more minutes now, and has been having to carry the team even more. If anything, we're making Lebron's job harder in these games by having to play him so much. We were blowing teams out and having a situation where Bron was playing less minutes the last 2 seasons.
Even so, Rondo 2 years ago did play enough to give Bron, rest. The issue is even when we trade for PGs who can help. Such as Dennis. Or WB. They end up being secondary attackers who the defenses dare to shoot 3s. We saw in the playoffs how Dennis' only impact was when he was able to get to the rim vs the Suns. The same is now with WB. We saw identical happen to Kobe in the Detroit NBA Finals. The Pistons sagged off Payton and just zoned in on Kobe and Shaq. It was so easy for them to make Kobe take tough shots in the mid-range and close all his driving lanes. When the Lakers had a 3 point shooting threat next to Kobe, it was that much harder. That's why 3 years later, Fish was brought back, and Fish won 2 more rings with Kobe. What did Fish really do other than bring the ball up and shoot 3s? Not a whole lot on offense. He was a very basic set up guy. It wasn't just the Triangle, often we broke from the Triangle to run isolations and have some 2 man action with Kobe/Pau. But the floor spacing of having a Fisher who wouldn't pout in this role, was important to acheive floor balance.
It's not like these guys are doing the real PG work. It's still all Lebron. I know WB at least has the star talent to allow Lebron to rest. But the disaster it's been, Lebron has end up having to do even more now vs 2 years ago. I see Lebron doing a lot of the PG work, especially since AD went down. Once the team realized they can't rely on WB to not be a TO machine as a PG, they went towards Lebron being the PG and WB more off the ball. We did the same thing with Dennis, eventually.
Usage rate: Lebron 31.1 USG rate now vs 31.5 USG rate 2 years ago
Minutes a game: Lebron 36.6 MPG now vs 34.6 MPG 2 years ago.
At this stage of his career, Bron needs to be in that 30 minutes range for minutes (at most) and under 30 in Usage IMO. We're relying way too much on him. Nothing has changed from then, and IMO that team was built much better for AD's individual health and success than this year's team is.
IMO, and maybe I'm wrong. But a dude like Danny Green of 2 years ago (not sure what Danny plays like now) and KCP are way way way more valuable to a Lebron/AD team than a PG who can't shoot 3s and needs the ball in his hands. In theory all this makes sense, in actual practice it rarely works. What made Kyrie special is that he was just as good as a SG/shooter as he was a PG. He could switch the roles up. These PGs we got can't really help Lebron, rest, coast etc. and they're not as good as playoff Rondo in running a team's offense and making momentum altering plays, either.
All we need IMO to give Bron rest in the halfcourt is to have others bring the ball up. That's why sometimes AD brings it up. You've seen Bradley capable. THT can bring it up. We have more than enough players that can bring the ball up and initiate the offense to Bron at Point Forward/Center. The issue is what happens after that. The load on Lebron is way way too much with guys around him that don't space the floor. Ditto for AD. If the Lakers want to help AD/Bron, get some floor spacing wings/guards that defend ASAP. |
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@Wolf: No disrespect, but I’ll try to respond more appropriately after football. Go 9ers!
Either way, I doubt anyone can convince me that the 2020 bubble team was flawed. First, it was Rob’s contingency plan after Kawhi and second, he quickly reschruffled the roster after the bubble title. I don’t think he’s done brilliant GM, but there’s a reason our 2020 bubble title team was not his 1st choice and that he quickly disassembled them after the bubble ring.
I don’t think Rob is some genius GM, but I still don’t think he’s a complete idiot either. There’s a reason he did the things he did even after he fell into a bubble title.
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Whatever we say about Rob.
The Lakers would have repeated last season if AD didn't go down with injury.
And this season we have yet to see what the full roster can do as the main core hasn't even played more than 3 consecutive games together.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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The Lakers were never beating the Suns, though it might have gone 6 or 7.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Lakers were never beating the Suns, though it might have gone 6 or 7. |
With a healthy AD? I have to disagree there. They were not only up 2-1 in the series, but iirc they were winning game 4 before AD went down. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Lakers were never beating the Suns, though it might have gone 6 or 7. |
Suns literally had the sea parted for them last year in the playoffs when every team except the Bucks had to deal with injuries to their star players. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Do they invite all 30 teams to the playoffs? Don't think so they weren't good enough to be invited. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Do they invite all 30 teams to the playoffs? Don't think so they weren't good enough to be invited. |
The bubble was the regular season, not just the playoffs.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Yeah coz they were already losers. No need to invite the losers to the bubble. 
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
some pretty, pretty pretty good ones were though.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Do they invite all 30 teams to the playoffs? Don't think so they weren't good enough to be invited. |
The bubble was the regular season, not just the playoffs. |
So invite more teams into the bubble that had no shot of making the playoffs and include more players that could potentially wreck the bubble? Naw, the NBA was too smart for that. You just mad cuz the team you rooting for flamed out in spectacular fashion. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Do they invite all 30 teams to the playoffs? Don't think so they weren't good enough to be invited. |
The bubble was the regular season, not just the playoffs. |
So invite more teams into the bubble that had no shot of making the playoffs and include more players that could potentially wreck the bubble? Naw, the NBA was too smart for that. You just mad cuz the team you rooting for flamed out in spectacular fashion. |
I’m not mad about anything, just pointing out that there wasn’t 29 losing teams in the bubble as was posted.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Do they invite all 30 teams to the playoffs? Don't think so they weren't good enough to be invited. |
The bubble was the regular season, not just the playoffs. |
So invite more teams into the bubble that had no shot of making the playoffs and include more players that could potentially wreck the bubble? Naw, the NBA was too smart for that. You just mad cuz the team you rooting for flamed out in spectacular fashion. |
I’m not mad about anything, just pointing out that there wasn’t 29 losing teams in the bubble as was posted. |
There was no home court advantage in the bubble, was our record in danger or even possible to miss the playoff if we hypothetically loss every remaining games against those losing record teams that didn’t make the playoff? If the answer is no then what’s the point of this comment lol |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Do they invite all 30 teams to the playoffs? Don't think so they weren't good enough to be invited. |
The bubble was the regular season, not just the playoffs. |
So invite more teams into the bubble that had no shot of making the playoffs and include more players that could potentially wreck the bubble? Naw, the NBA was too smart for that. You just mad cuz the team you rooting for flamed out in spectacular fashion. |
I’m not mad about anything, just pointing out that there wasn’t 29 losing teams in the bubble as was posted. |
There was no home court advantage in the bubble, was our record in danger or even possible to miss the playoff if we hypothetically loss every remaining games against those losing record teams that didn’t make the playoff? If the answer is no then what’s the point of this comment lol |
Reading is fundamental. There weren’t 29 losing teams in the bubble.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | Being a bubble champion is better than being one of the 29 bubble losers.
Nuff said. |
30 teams didn’t participate in the bubble, some weren’t invited. |
Do they invite all 30 teams to the playoffs? Don't think so they weren't good enough to be invited. |
The bubble was the regular season, not just the playoffs. |
So invite more teams into the bubble that had no shot of making the playoffs and include more players that could potentially wreck the bubble? Naw, the NBA was too smart for that. You just mad cuz the team you rooting for flamed out in spectacular fashion. |
I’m not mad about anything, just pointing out that there wasn’t 29 losing teams in the bubble as was posted. |
There was no home court advantage in the bubble, was our record in danger or even possible to miss the playoff if we hypothetically loss every remaining games against those losing record teams that didn’t make the playoff? If the answer is no then what’s the point of this comment lol |
Reading is fundamental. There weren’t 29 losing teams in the bubble.
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You point that out like it matters. It’s not like those teams left out were relevant. In the playoffs…we faced the caliber of teams we would have faced…bubble or not. We won a title, legitimate as any. Case closed. |
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This is pathetic. |
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| Looks like they are about to drop five games in a row. Rambis is lurking in the shadows. |
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| Russ, Vogle, Pelinka and LeBron/Klutch are just the problems on the surface. the core of the problem lies with Jeannie Buss and the Rambii. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Russ, Vogle, Pelinka and LeBron/Klutch are just the problems on the surface. the core of the problem lies with Jeannie Buss and the Rambii. |
Why are they called Rambii opposed to Rambis's? |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Russ, Vogle, Pelinka and LeBron/Klutch are just the problems on the surface. the core of the problem lies with Jeannie Buss and the Rambii. |
Why are they called Rambii opposed to Rambis's? |
Just like "campus" and "campi"
A great joke actually |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| danzag wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Russ, Vogle, Pelinka and LeBron/Klutch are just the problems on the surface. the core of the problem lies with Jeannie Buss and the Rambii. |
Why are they called Rambii opposed to Rambis's? |
Just like "campus" and "campi"
A great joke actually |
It is actually funny after understanding it. Lol |
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It’s funny how this stuff pops up when Pelinka is under pressure, isn’t it?
So Rambis told the coaching staff (about a month ago) that their jobs weren’t safe if things didn’t improve. Well, duh. So Rambis was “looming like a shadow” in Portland yesterday. What does that even mean? Was he holding a stack of pink slips and cackling? Or was he dressed in a black hooded robe and holding a scythe? I mean, it’s unthinkable that the Director of Basketball Affairs would travel with the team, isn’t it?
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