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Are you happy about Vogel becoming our coach? |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | 55 wrote: | He needs to come up with a better late game strategy. Leaving Davis and Lebron to iso is not the solution. Clips were still running plays in the end and got good looks. |
That is what concerns me, there are no counter moves. Just let those two iso. |
that's the offense for like 3 quarters. it's crazy. |
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55 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | 55 wrote: | He needs to come up with a better late game strategy. Leaving Davis and Lebron to iso is not the solution. Clips were still running plays in the end and got good looks. |
That is what concerns me, there are no counter moves. Just let those two iso. |
At least run a simple pick n roll to get a good look. Shouldn't be that difficult.
Seems lazy to iso and hope to get bailed out. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Tonight was a pretty bad game for Frank, and so has been some of the others in the last few weeks for offense. He was getting a pass from me because of the road trips and then recently injuries. But today he had a fully healthy lineup. The Lakers took 45 three pointers, which when you have Lebron, AD, Dwight, McGee. This should just be unacceptable. 25-30 ok. That is balanced attack from a paint scoring team. 45? Frank needs to have a long talk with the crew about the 3 point shooting. If this is how we want to play, any time a team zones and/or plays us tight inside, we need to go out and get some better shooters. What we need to get is that the better teams and defenses want us shooting those 3s. They are not afraid of us as a 3 point shooting team. They are afraid of Lebron getting shots inside, AD, Dwight and McGee. They do not want those guys getting good to decent looks inside because it's over if they do. So we need to work harder to get them good shots and priority should be to get more movement off the ball for Lebron, AD, Dwight/McGee.
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55 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious to find out if there was a play called on the last shot attempt.
He should've told them to get a quick 2 which they weren't going to get fouled on or run a quicker 3. What we settled for was the worst case scenario. |
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PICKnPOP Star Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Bradley and Kuzma need to be given more of a leash. They are capable of more than what their roles are limiting them to. The same can be said about Dwight as far as his minutes are concerned. As soon as he sat the game got out of hand. We starting giving up a lot of offensive rebounds.
We don’t necessarily need a trade if we can just give bigger roles to a few guys. I honestly believe Bradley is capable of giving us 15 with some playmaking and shot creating. Dwight could easily give us 10 and 10 if given more minutes and kuz is a 18-20 ppg scorer. It just boils down to AD and lebron sacrificing some stats. We would actually be a lot better _________________ “like I never left”
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Kuz needs to be treated like Lou Will. Let him break from the system and just score as long as he can reign it back in and play within the offense down the stretch. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | Kuz needs to be treated like Lou Will. Let him break from the system and just score as long as he can reign it back in and play within the offense down the stretch. |
Kuz got hot in the good-Kuz way , which is not ISO shots...then he decided to shoot a Kobe-pivot 20ft fade... Kuz needs plays ran for him, and I'm all for doing that successive play after play when he's hot...but he can't be treated like a guard.. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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2019 wrote: | Kuz needs to be treated like Lou Will. Let him break from the system and just score as long as he can reign it back in and play within the offense down the stretch. |
Except Lou can get them 5-10 assists. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Carushow Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Now lets see how good of a coach he really is in how he handles this situation. Changes have to be made, that much is certain. |
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FrankUnderwood Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Once again our head coach has fallen in love with Rondo and starts playing him with Lebron and to end games. This is going to be our demise in these types of games. The pain was completely packed in the 4th Q because no one respects Rondos shot. Last night if those Rondo minutes in the 3rd and 4th went to Caruso and Dudley instead we win the game. |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I would like to see Vogel be more aggressive with his challenge.
He should have easily challenged the foul on KCP when Harrell basically pushed KCP out the way. It was a clear offensive foul.
Or he could have challenged the Zubac and 1, that was offensive interference as Zubac grabbed the rim before the ball went in.
If you challenge saves you 2 points, it is worth it. |
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trablos Star Player
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Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | I would like to see Vogel be more aggressive with his challenge.
He should have easily challenged the foul on KCP when Harrell basically pushed KCP out the way. It was a clear offensive foul.
Or he could have challenged the Zubac and 1, that was offensive interference as Zubac grabbed the rim before the ball went in.
If you challenge saves you 2 points, it is worth it. |
They need to just do away with the challenge. We've been screwed on very clear challenges we should have one (as have other teams) because the egomaniac refs will never admit they were at fault. |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Vogel has went away from lineups that have been working very well to force feed Bradley and Rondo more minutes.
For example, the Caruso+AD+Dwight has been a killer combo that has helped keep the team rolling while Lebron is on the bench yet we've went to it much less frequently. _________________ (bleep) Kawhi |
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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Get an inside look at how Coach Vogel prepares the Lakers for battle on tonight's episode of Backstage Lakers at 10PM.
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1211376341922140162
OMG, Powerpoint? Really?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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ducasse Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Should he be writing on a chalkboard instead? |
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2019 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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ducasse wrote: |
Should he be writing on a chalkboard instead? |
Transparencies and color coding
I took away that Vogel seems incredibly prepared |
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Carushow Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody is taking notes, I think Vogel has officially lost the team |
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vasashi17+ Star Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Why was AD still in the game during the 4th when the game was in hand and why did Bron check back in with the Lakeshow up 14? What the (bleep) is the deal with doing that Vogs on a b2b on you star duo still battling lingering injuries? What the (bleep) is wrong with ya bruh?
Asking for a friend. |
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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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vasashi17+ wrote: | Why was AD still in the game during the 4th when the game was in hand and why did Bron check back in with the Lakeshow up 14? What the (bleep) is the deal with doing that Vogs on a b2b on you star duo still battling lingering injuries? What the (bleep) is wrong with ya bruh?
Asking for a friend. |
He checked back in with 4 minutes to go, and the lead was 13 after the free throw was made.
Probably wanted to make sure of it but man, Lebron needs to be rested |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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ducasse wrote: |
Should he be writing on a chalkboard instead? |
Drae? |
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drae Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | ducasse wrote: |
Should he be writing on a chalkboard instead? |
Drae? |
Well a chalkboard will bring back that classic, 80s showtime vibe
Powerpoint tends to have a bad reputation depending on how you use it. Is it really necessary for a presentation? Looking at the slide I see Miami = scrappy, some basic stats you can get in 2s on your iPhone ... |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Frankie says relax |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:25 am Post subject: |
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I have seen some changes to the offense the last 2 games. A lot more ball penetration to the offense. The way for this team to succeed is a mentality to get the best shot possible after creating penetration.
Rotation is a lot better with splitting Rondo-Bradley up, KCP works with Rondo and Green with Bradley. Our bench with Howard, Kuzma, KCP, Caruso and Rondo is looking legit good. |
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DLaker Star Player
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Love the adjustment the coaching staff. Our bench actually are producing now. I see Vogel as a coach that is very well prepared, finding him to be a mellow Pat Riley version. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:09 am Post subject: |
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55 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | 55 wrote: | He needs to come up with a better late game strategy. Leaving Davis and Lebron to iso is not the solution. Clips were still running plays in the end and got good looks. |
That is what concerns me, there are no counter moves. Just let those two iso. |
At least run a simple pick n roll to get a good look. Shouldn't be that difficult.
Seems lazy to iso and hope to get bailed out. |
We don’t iso.
We play through two players but that is not necessarily an iso.
I have been asking for weeks now, on here, if we can run some plays for other players and no one is interested in doing that including Vogel lol _________________ Clippers are our Daddy. |
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