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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:17 am    Post subject:

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Our offense is rated in the top 5 in the NBA last I checked, and I can not remember a single team that ran a bad "outdated" offense end up with that kind of results.

Usually when teams are doing stuff that is outdated or not working in the era, the advance stats ratings of the team's offense and the overall stuff shows just that. All this comes down to is basically some want ZERO post ups in our offense, or call any team that runs a post up outdated. Which is BS, to me, because we have post up threats in Lebron and AD that are actually dominant in those situations. It is not like we are posting up McGee and Howard or Kuzma. We are posting up AD, and periodically Lebron.

For example, Mike D'Antoni gets hailed as this offensive genius, and while he is a good coach on offense, despite having little roster turnover and making a big move for another star in Westbrook, the team has not really improved with making that trade. Harden isolates more than any player in the league. D'Antoni has not been able to win or even utilize the 2 stars to their max potential (only Harden is maxing out his potential).

What we run, it is maximizing AD and Lebron. You can see it right away, the two of them play great off each other and work well in this offense together. If you have a guy in Bron who now at age 35 is still way stronger and skilled around the basket than his opposing defender, why ask Lebron not do that? Same with AD, he is good at post ups. I would not post them up all the time, but the offense has to be focused on penetration - by dribbling, by passing to players on the move to the basket or by post ups. That is when we play well, we do all those 3 things.

The flaws in the offense, if you go back to all Lebron James team, they have those same flaws. What often happens with a Lebron team, is the team starts to become very dimensional on Lebron's kick outs and Lebron's handling of the ball. Why do you think Cleveland surrounded him with 3 point shooters, defenders and guys that just play a role around him? Why do you think Lebron only won a ring with Kyrie or Wade? Never without one. He went to a zillion finals without one, but he did not win a ring without that 2nd all-star ballhandling guard.

We have a coach who understands exactly who Lebron is, and exactly what he wants AD to be. And he keeps the role players in line, playing within their role. That's all you can really ask at this point. You can't teach Lebron to play the game different than he has his entire career. What we need to do is hope a) Lebron and AD are so good together that it discounts the need for a second all-star guard (ala Shaq-Kobe) or b) Lakers make a trade for that 2nd all-star level guard using Kuzma and other assets.

We're more than aware of what the team's offensive rating is. That isn't the point and you aren't trying hard enough to hear what we're saying, which is that they don't have much of a system. Even Cranjis said some of the stuff the Lakers ran under Mermuys' direction last year was better than what we see from them at times. And you know what this year's team has in common with last year's? Last year's team had a guy serving as the offensive coordinator who was not a specialist, and the same is true of this year's team.

Again, this is about the playoffs. This offense will be easy to figure out when a team is able to lock in on them in a 7 game series. It's way too simplistic and predictable.


That is exactly what the Clippers did, they shut down the offense in crunch time. Shut down the drives and make Lebron and AD hit jumpers. They had very little motion and few screens.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:02 pm    Post subject:

Here’s the biggest black eye to Vogel’s offensive acumen:

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By almost any measure, the Bucks are the best team in the NBA, yet they still crush opponents when Antetokounmpo is on the bench, posting a net rating of plus-7.9. That would still rank No. 1 overall in the NBA. Make no mistake, that’s an impressive mark for Milwaukee’s title chances. And, no, it’s not Giannis’ fault his team is awesome when he sits. But in a weird way it could hurt Antetokounmpo’s MVP case — and it’s vastly different from what’s happening in Lakerland. Even though they have Anthony Davis, the Lakers without James are a negative team. They post a net rating of -1.6, which would rank 18th in the NBA — in between the Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls. Folks, the Pistons and Bulls aren’t very good. – via Kirk Goldsberry @ ESPN


Bron’s total minutes: 1496 (43 games) - 13th overall and 3rd to only MDA’s taskmastering of Harden & PJ Tucker in 43 or less games played
Giannis’s total minutes: 1286 (42 games)

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:10 pm    Post subject:

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Here’s the biggest black eye to Vogel’s offensive acumen:

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By almost any measure, the Bucks are the best team in the NBA, yet they still crush opponents when Antetokounmpo is on the bench, posting a net rating of plus-7.9. That would still rank No. 1 overall in the NBA. Make no mistake, that’s an impressive mark for Milwaukee’s title chances. And, no, it’s not Giannis’ fault his team is awesome when he sits. But in a weird way it could hurt Antetokounmpo’s MVP case — and it’s vastly different from what’s happening in Lakerland. Even though they have Anthony Davis, the Lakers without James are a negative team. They post a net rating of -1.6, which would rank 18th in the NBA — in between the Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls. Folks, the Pistons and Bulls aren’t very good. – via Kirk Goldsberry @ ESPN


Bron’s total minutes: 1496 (43 games) - 13th overall and 3rd to only Harden & PJ Tucker in 43 or less games played
Giannis’s total minutes: 1286 (42 games)

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals


The minutes don't really matter that much, under 35 is pretty good. What's going to help Lebron a LOT is that 5 game buffer we're maintaining. That's good for about a week off heading into the playoffs
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:13 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
Here’s the biggest black eye to Vogel’s offensive acumen:

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By almost any measure, the Bucks are the best team in the NBA, yet they still crush opponents when Antetokounmpo is on the bench, posting a net rating of plus-7.9. That would still rank No. 1 overall in the NBA. Make no mistake, that’s an impressive mark for Milwaukee’s title chances. And, no, it’s not Giannis’ fault his team is awesome when he sits. But in a weird way it could hurt Antetokounmpo’s MVP case — and it’s vastly different from what’s happening in Lakerland. Even though they have Anthony Davis, the Lakers without James are a negative team. They post a net rating of -1.6, which would rank 18th in the NBA — in between the Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls. Folks, the Pistons and Bulls aren’t very good. – via Kirk Goldsberry @ ESPN


Bron’s total minutes: 1496 (43 games) - 13th overall and 3rd to only Harden & PJ Tucker in 43 or less games played
Giannis’s total minutes: 1286 (42 games)

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals


The minutes don't really matter that much, under 35 is pretty good. What's going to help Lebron a LOT is that 5 game buffer we're maintaining. That's good for about a week off heading into the playoffs


Please make it stop!

The 35mpg is such a cop out. Dude is in his 17th season literally holding our offense down and is putting up the 3rd most total minutes where the only other guys ahead of him are ran by MDA.

Just stop with the everything is fine rhetoric haha

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:14 pm    Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:
drae wrote:
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Here’s the biggest black eye to Vogel’s offensive acumen:

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By almost any measure, the Bucks are the best team in the NBA, yet they still crush opponents when Antetokounmpo is on the bench, posting a net rating of plus-7.9. That would still rank No. 1 overall in the NBA. Make no mistake, that’s an impressive mark for Milwaukee’s title chances. And, no, it’s not Giannis’ fault his team is awesome when he sits. But in a weird way it could hurt Antetokounmpo’s MVP case — and it’s vastly different from what’s happening in Lakerland. Even though they have Anthony Davis, the Lakers without James are a negative team. They post a net rating of -1.6, which would rank 18th in the NBA — in between the Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls. Folks, the Pistons and Bulls aren’t very good. – via Kirk Goldsberry @ ESPN


Bron’s total minutes: 1496 (43 games) - 13th overall and 3rd to only Harden & PJ Tucker in 43 or less games played
Giannis’s total minutes: 1286 (42 games)

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals


The minutes don't really matter that much, under 35 is pretty good. What's going to help Lebron a LOT is that 5 game buffer we're maintaining. That's good for about a week off heading into the playoffs


Please make it stop!

The 35mpg is such a cop out. Dude is in his 17th season literally holding our offense down and is putting up the 3rd most total minutes where the only other guys ahead of him are ran by MDA.

Just stop with the everything is fine rhetoric haha

#GassedKing


As Lebron said, the minutes don't matter as much as whether he plays. Giving him games off is much better than reducing his minutes per game by 3.

And the Lakers are on course to do this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:19 pm    Post subject:

drae wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
drae wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
Here’s the biggest black eye to Vogel’s offensive acumen:

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By almost any measure, the Bucks are the best team in the NBA, yet they still crush opponents when Antetokounmpo is on the bench, posting a net rating of plus-7.9. That would still rank No. 1 overall in the NBA. Make no mistake, that’s an impressive mark for Milwaukee’s title chances. And, no, it’s not Giannis’ fault his team is awesome when he sits. But in a weird way it could hurt Antetokounmpo’s MVP case — and it’s vastly different from what’s happening in Lakerland. Even though they have Anthony Davis, the Lakers without James are a negative team. They post a net rating of -1.6, which would rank 18th in the NBA — in between the Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls. Folks, the Pistons and Bulls aren’t very good. – via Kirk Goldsberry @ ESPN


Bron’s total minutes: 1496 (43 games) - 13th overall and 3rd to only Harden & PJ Tucker in 43 or less games played
Giannis’s total minutes: 1286 (42 games)

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals


The minutes don't really matter that much, under 35 is pretty good. What's going to help Lebron a LOT is that 5 game buffer we're maintaining. That's good for about a week off heading into the playoffs


Please make it stop!

The 35mpg is such a cop out. Dude is in his 17th season literally holding our offense down and is putting up the 3rd most total minutes where the only other guys ahead of him are ran by MDA.

Just stop with the everything is fine rhetoric haha

#GassedKing


As Lebron said, the minutes don't matter as much as whether he plays. Giving him games off is much better than reducing his minutes per game by 3.

And the Lakers are on course to do this.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:20 pm    Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:
drae wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
drae wrote:
vasashi17+ wrote:
Here’s the biggest black eye to Vogel’s offensive acumen:

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By almost any measure, the Bucks are the best team in the NBA, yet they still crush opponents when Antetokounmpo is on the bench, posting a net rating of plus-7.9. That would still rank No. 1 overall in the NBA. Make no mistake, that’s an impressive mark for Milwaukee’s title chances. And, no, it’s not Giannis’ fault his team is awesome when he sits. But in a weird way it could hurt Antetokounmpo’s MVP case — and it’s vastly different from what’s happening in Lakerland. Even though they have Anthony Davis, the Lakers without James are a negative team. They post a net rating of -1.6, which would rank 18th in the NBA — in between the Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls. Folks, the Pistons and Bulls aren’t very good. – via Kirk Goldsberry @ ESPN


Bron’s total minutes: 1496 (43 games) - 13th overall and 3rd to only Harden & PJ Tucker in 43 or less games played
Giannis’s total minutes: 1286 (42 games)

https://stats.nba.com/players/traditional/?sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals


The minutes don't really matter that much, under 35 is pretty good. What's going to help Lebron a LOT is that 5 game buffer we're maintaining. That's good for about a week off heading into the playoffs


Please make it stop!

The 35mpg is such a cop out. Dude is in his 17th season literally holding our offense down and is putting up the 3rd most total minutes where the only other guys ahead of him are ran by MDA.

Just stop with the everything is fine rhetoric haha

#GassedKing


As Lebron said, the minutes don't matter as much as whether he plays. Giving him games off is much better than reducing his minutes per game by 3.

And the Lakers are on course to do this.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:00 pm    Post subject:

I hate this stupid rotation. He brings Caruso in with Rondo and then benches Caruso 3 minutes later so that Rondo can stay in when LeBron returns which is the worst possible pairing for LeBron on this team, going back to last season.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:58 pm    Post subject:

Why does Vogel play down to the opponent?

Once Jokic got his 4th foul coz he couldn’t stop Dwight, Vogel takes Dwight out and plays small ball. Our lead became a 5 point deficit.

And why isn’t he playing Caruso (+13) more than Rondo (-9) tonight dammit!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:03 pm    Post subject:

Congrats coach.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:07 pm    Post subject:

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Why does Vogel play down to the opponent?

Once Jokic got his 4th foul coz he couldn’t stop Dwight, Vogel takes Dwight out and plays small ball. Our lead became a 5 point deficit.

And why isn’t he playing Caruso (+13) more than Rondo (-9) tonight dammit!

Rotations and spacing.

When teams begin to get near the end of the Q, and especially trailing, the first type of shot they look to create is the 3 pointer. Dwight is an elite paint defender and good at rotation on smalls who are trying to get into the basket. But once you start to ask Dwight to rotate to the 3 point line, it gets tricky. Dwight also does not hit FTs and is not a floor spacer on offense.

He went with Dwight a lot of that OT. Great games by Dwight and Caruso. Our 2 best bench players, and 2 guys that I think specifically more than any other coach, Frank would value because of their defense and toughness.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:10 pm    Post subject:

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Vogel playing Rondo in these games against good teams is like giving the other team a 10-point lead from jump


https://twitter.com/lakerfilmroom/status/1227822421543026689?s=21

It’s really a no brainer.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:11 pm    Post subject:

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Vogel playing Rondo in these games against good teams is like giving the other team a 10-point lead from jump


https://twitter.com/lakerfilmroom/status/1227822421543026689?s=21

It’s really a no brainer.



When is Vogel gonna realize the guy is washed?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:25 pm    Post subject:

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Our offense is rated in the top 5 in the NBA last I checked, and I can not remember a single team that ran a bad "outdated" offense end up with that kind of results.

Usually when teams are doing stuff that is outdated or not working in the era, the advance stats ratings of the team's offense and the overall stuff shows just that. All this comes down to is basically some want ZERO post ups in our offense, or call any team that runs a post up outdated. Which is BS, to me, because we have post up threats in Lebron and AD that are actually dominant in those situations. It is not like we are posting up McGee and Howard or Kuzma. We are posting up AD, and periodically Lebron.

For example, Mike D'Antoni gets hailed as this offensive genius, and while he is a good coach on offense, despite having little roster turnover and making a big move for another star in Westbrook, the team has not really improved with making that trade. Harden isolates more than any player in the league. D'Antoni has not been able to win or even utilize the 2 stars to their max potential (only Harden is maxing out his potential).

What we run, it is maximizing AD and Lebron. You can see it right away, the two of them play great off each other and work well in this offense together. If you have a guy in Bron who now at age 35 is still way stronger and skilled around the basket than his opposing defender, why ask Lebron not do that? Same with AD, he is good at post ups. I would not post them up all the time, but the offense has to be focused on penetration - by dribbling, by passing to players on the move to the basket or by post ups. That is when we play well, we do all those 3 things.

The flaws in the offense, if you go back to all Lebron James team, they have those same flaws. What often happens with a Lebron team, is the team starts to become very dimensional on Lebron's kick outs and Lebron's handling of the ball. Why do you think Cleveland surrounded him with 3 point shooters, defenders and guys that just play a role around him? Why do you think Lebron only won a ring with Kyrie or Wade? Never without one. He went to a zillion finals without one, but he did not win a ring without that 2nd all-star ballhandling guard.

We have a coach who understands exactly who Lebron is, and exactly what he wants AD to be. And he keeps the role players in line, playing within their role. That's all you can really ask at this point. You can't teach Lebron to play the game different than he has his entire career. What we need to do is hope a) Lebron and AD are so good together that it discounts the need for a second all-star guard (ala Shaq-Kobe) or b) Lakers make a trade for that 2nd all-star level guard using Kuzma and other assets.

We're more than aware of what the team's offensive rating is. That isn't the point and you aren't trying hard enough to hear what we're saying, which is that they don't have much of a system. Even Cranjis said some of the stuff the Lakers ran under Mermuys' direction last year was better than what we see from them at times. And you know what this year's team has in common with last year's? Last year's team had a guy serving as the offensive coordinator who was not a specialist, and the same is true of this year's team.

Again, this is about the playoffs. This offense will be easy to figure out when a team is able to lock in on them in a 7 game series. It's way too simplistic and predictable.

I do not get this. When the Lakers have a system, same experts complain the system is outdated. Then, they go get a modern day system guy like DAntoni, and fans hate him. We get a guy from Golden State who most fans loved the hire (including me) and again, we realize quickly (probably what Kings fans see now) that he was not the right guy.

I think we have the right coach right now. It has been evident to me from start. He does not run an offense that one would be able to classify as a system offense. No Triangle. No SSOL. No high pick and rolls every time down. Or even iso Houston ball (current DAntoni ball). I think we see a mix of everything from post ups, screen-rolls, off the ball screens, all kinds of plays. He seems to lean on Lebron to be his QB to make those calls. While some may argue that it sucks, I do not see it. The Lakers are an elite team on offense WITHOUT a real starting level point guard, and without a 3rd option. How many - systems - or coaches would scheme in better results with said talent - IMO not many. You may get coaches who would get more out of Kuzma, maybe start him and force AD to the 5. Then you would see AD walk in the summer (does not want to play the 5 full time) and the defense suffer.

From what I gather the biggest criticism on Franks offense is that he allows post ups and a lot of post entries. Many want him to have the same absolute (narrow minded) approach that Rick Carlisle has in Dallas. No post ups, no post entries. A lot more 3 point shooting. However the Lakers simply do not have the talent for that. They have bigs that can roll to the basket and cause chaos inside. They have AD. They have Bron. They do not have a starting level drive and kick PG, and they do not have a great shot creating guard. Running any other kind of offensive system would be foolish for this team. For the type of talent the Lakers have, they are running absolutely the right stuff. Now what happens is Lebron can make mistakes with his decision making and how he attacks. That is what happens in some of the losses this season. Lebron gets too caught up raking in the assists, and does not get his, attack the paint enough.

I am totally for the Lakers getting an assistant coach next year who will bring some more offensive creativity, but the #1 thing the Lakers would need to run a better offense is a guard that can handle the ball and create shots against starting level talent, and without reliance on Lebron-AD.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:47 pm    Post subject:

Vogel is scaring the hell out of me with his love affair of Rondo. Come playoff time he is going to still give him major rotation minutes no matter how bad he plays and in a series against the Clippers or Bucks there's no way we afford that kind of margin of error...
playing Rondo instead of Caruso can literally be the difference between winning and losing games and even the championship
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:36 am    Post subject:

I get that Rondo theoretically lets Lebron rest up a little by deferring the play making to another player, but in practice it doesn’t work and ends up making Lebron work that much harder digging us out of the big hole Rondo puts us into every game (beyond the one good game he has against terrible teams once every five or so games). Vogel needs to have a shorter leash for Rondo, period.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:16 am    Post subject:

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I get that Rondo theoretically lets Lebron rest up a little by deferring the play making to another player, but in practice it doesn’t work and ends up making Lebron work that much harder digging us out of the big hole Rondo puts us into every game (beyond the one good game he has against terrible teams once every five or so games). Vogel needs to have a shorter leash for Rondo, period.


I think it's more like one good game every fifteen or so games lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:57 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:16 am    Post subject:

For those blaming Rondo for Kuzma inconsistency.

Here are KKs game logs for the times Rondo has not played with him.

DAL 3-8 shooting 9 points, -6 rating
SAN 2-7 shooting 5 points +3 rating
CHI 7-16 shooting 15 points +4 rating
MIA 3-9 shooting 7 points -11 rating
TOR 6-13 15 points -12 rating
GST 7-12 shooting 22 points +21 rating
MIN 3-7 shooting 7 points -5 rating
CLE 5-13 shooting 11 points +10 rating (No AD started)
ORL 2-10 shooting 4 points -11 rating (No AD started)
HOU 8-16 shooting 23 points +4 rating (No AD started)

You all tell me, whether Rondo is the reason he is inconsistent or not or plays worse because of Rondo.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:45 am    Post subject:

Also looking at the metrics.

Lakers are now second in O rating, only behind Dallas.
If you break down play types, the weakness is clear.

Pïck and Roll ballhandler. Dallas with Luka are tops with 1.01 PPP. Lakers are pretty low at 0.85

It would be a hard argument to make for the team to switch to more pick and rolls and less post ups-isolations, when the post ups and isolations are no more than 16% of our offense. Probably in games against elite teams or games against teams we are not defending well, we get caught up in the iso game more because we are having to set up in the halfcourt a lot more.

18% of our offense is spot ups (1.06 elite)
17% of our offense is created in transition (1.16 PPP, elite)
14% of our offense is PnR ballhandler (0.85 PPP pretty weak in the league)
8% is isolations (0.89 PPP which is top 10-12)
8% is post ups (0.89 PPP which is top 10)
4% offense PnR roll man (1.20 PPP very good-elite)

We are elite in transition, spot ups and we are elite at rolling to the rim and finishing. We are pretty good at post ups and ISO.

We are weak at creating off picks using guards as ballhandlers (DUH we all know this).

We should try to look more for our bigs on rolls. We should probably try to get more spot ups for our shooters like Green, KCP, Daniels etc. coming off screens or just in movement in the offense.

There is not too much more different you would do with this talent, IMO. We are who we are, we just need to be able to understand that our strengths are and keep trying to exploit them.

One of the reasons I say the defense is so important for this team, when we get stops, rebounds, we can get in transition and get those early offense. When we get scored on, we need to set up more in the halfcourt. When we face the Clippers or teams like that, how we defend them will be more important to our offense than how we play on offense. If we defend and rebound well, we will get more transition chances and more spot up chances. The opposing team will not get to set up as much.

The last play of the regulation justified why I do not think screens for Lebron as a ballhandler are all that of a weapon. It is much more effective to use Lebron and AD in a 1 in 4 out ISO situation than use screens. I am hoping Frank is going to see this as the Lakers main weapon in the playoffs. A lot of 1-4 sets. That is who Bron played in CLE and that is how teams that use isolations for their stars are effective nowadays.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:27 pm    Post subject: Rondo

Rondo in 8 mins -8

Caruso in 5 mins +9

Vogel don’t play Rondo in the 2nd half please!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Rondo

Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Rondo in 8 mins -8

Caruso in 5 mins +9

Vogel don’t play Rondo in the 2nd half please!


Why did Vogel even bother plugging Rondo back in the 2nd half?

Makes no sense WTF coach!

Rondo now a -17.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:23 pm    Post subject:

Please help me explain


PG.Rondo
SG.Bradley
SF.KCP
PF.Kuzma
C.Dwight


are we tanking?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:35 pm    Post subject:

Playoff Rondo?

Nah. Payoff Rondo bc he’s clearly extorting Vogel.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:55 pm    Post subject:

Vogel is killing us with his inability to snuff out players who are just flat out sucking in a game
Vogel gave Bradley and Rondo a combined 34 minutes who shot 0-12 total... 34 freaken minutes when we have players like Caruso who played well and only got 17 minutes!
we cant afford these coaching mistakes against better teams
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