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Are you happy about Vogel becoming our coach?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:22 am    Post subject:

10 more years! 10 more years!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:12 am    Post subject:

Defensive philosophy and series adjustments are what I remember most about him as a coach this season.
You can see how important a good coach is in going all the way.
I wonder how the Nets will do with "no real coach" ...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:17 am    Post subject:

Resign him for the next 20 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:29 am    Post subject:

Awesome. Vogel is now in the pantheon of Laker coaches. He deserves this NBA Championship.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:29 am    Post subject:

Eight current coaches with titles (including Lue who is expected to get a job soon, five of which have one ring. Frank has a pretty good chance to elevate himself into the multiple title list next season.


Popovic 5
Kerr 3
Spolestra 2

Nurse 1
Rivers 1
Carlisle 1
Vogel 1
Lue 1
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:23 am    Post subject:

Laker's Fan wrote:
Eight current coaches with titles (including Lue who is expected to get a job soon, five of which have one ring. Frank has a pretty good chance to elevate himself into the multiple title list next season.


Popovic 5
Kerr 3
Spolestra 2

Nurse 1
Rivers 1
Carlisle 1
Vogel 1
Lue 1


The way Doc gets all the adulation you would think he has as many as Pop.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:05 am    Post subject:

Laker's Fan wrote:
Eight current coaches with titles (including Lue who is expected to get a job soon, five of which have one ring. Frank has a pretty good chance to elevate himself into the multiple title list next season.


Popovic 5
Kerr 3
Spolestra 2

Nurse 1
Rivers 1
Carlisle 1
Vogel 1
Lue 1


And what I like about Vogel, he is 1/1. This is the ONLY time he ever had a championship level team, or a 2 superstar (or even 1 superstar) team. His previous good teams in Indiana were with an all-star in George, but aside from that were defensive minded role players. They overachieved because of Vogel's defensive brilliance and ability to use his role players around George.

This Lakers team was the same way, how Vogel used the role players around AD/Bron and defense was their 3rd superstar. Many coaches on that list have had multiple times in position to be a front runner or top 2-3 contender. This was Frank's first time in the spot, and he delivered right away.

The luckiest move we made was Ty Lue choosing to go for money over the Lakers. I can assure you, Ty Lue does not do things the way Frank did, at all Two completely different coaches. And Monty Williams, also a completely different coach. The way we used guys like Dwight, Caruso, KCP, Green. Rondo. That is coaching brilliance, by Frank. Just take for example, how a championship coach like Carlisle had no idea of how to deal with Rondo's way of doing things. As if it is easy to coach guys with offensive flaws. This team is filled with role players who have offensive flaws, so that is why someone like Frank was an absolute GEM of a hire. I've been watching this game for 30 years now, and if you look back in this thread, very early into our season I said Frank's a damn good coach. It was instant, you could see it right away early in our season, his impact.

I gotta take some receipts on those takes on Frank after the Clipper opening day loss.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:31 am    Post subject:

Really great hire. Get Frank an offensive guru assistant and the staff is set for years to come. Great job, Vogel!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:32 am    Post subject:

That 2nd quarter defense was one of the best I've ever seen. Amazing.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:18 am    Post subject:

I dont know if it's because I am older, if its because the NBA has become such a team game or if its just because I know more about basketball than I used to, but ai cannot recall any of the 2000s playoff runs having the kind of game to game adjustments that this playoff run had. You could see the effect of coaching on almost every game. So many small and large adjustments in each series. This was not coaching as a motivational speaker but coaching in a real Xs/Os sense, especially defensively.

This may be why guys like Rivers are relics. You can't just manage teams and personalities any more. There are too many, smart and analytics based minds out there. Probably not a coincidence that the two guys who coached the finals teams weren't ex players, but film room nerds. We watched a more mature basketball, maybe in a more mature era.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:20 am    Post subject:

I'm glad Ty Lue turned down the job.

Good job coach.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:43 am    Post subject:

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And what I like about Vogel, he is 1/1...


Interestingly, each of the championship Lakers coaches started 1/1. Kundla, Sharman, Westhead, Riley, Jackson, and now Vogel. Maybe they had luck with player personnel, but they capitalized and wasted no time.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:45 am    Post subject:

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I dont know if it's because I am older, if its because the NBA has become such a team game or if its just because I know more about basketball than I used to, but ai cannot recall any of the 2000s playoff runs having the kind of game to game adjustments that this playoff run had. You could see the effect of coaching on almost every game. So many small and large adjustments in each series. This was not coaching as a motivational speaker but coaching in a real Xs/Os sense, especially defensively.

This may be why guys like Rivers are relics. You can't just manage teams and personalities any more. There are too many, smart and analytics based minds out there. Probably not a coincidence that the two guys who coached the finals teams weren't ex players, but film room nerds. We watched a more mature basketball, maybe in a more mature era.


Great adjustments and a versatile roster that could go small or or big, depending on the opponent. If we can keep that kind of versatility and add guys that can actually hit open 3s consistently, no one is beating us in a 7 game series next year.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:42 pm    Post subject:

We also some great coaches in Spo, Vogel, Stevens and Malone. That’s as good as it gets in the NBA right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:23 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
I dont know if it's because I am older, if its because the NBA has become such a team game or if its just because I know more about basketball than I used to, but ai cannot recall any of the 2000s playoff runs having the kind of game to game adjustments that this playoff run had. You could see the effect of coaching on almost every game. So many small and large adjustments in each series. This was not coaching as a motivational speaker but coaching in a real Xs/Os sense, especially defensively.

This may be why guys like Rivers are relics. You can't just manage teams and personalities any more. There are too many, smart and analytics based minds out there. Probably not a coincidence that the two guys who coached the finals teams weren't ex players, but film room nerds. We watched a more mature basketball, maybe in a more mature era.

Yup. I noticed this too. Nurse is of that mold as well, even though he technically didn't start as a film room guy. He's a non-former NBA player who is just a nerd of the game. In this era of basketball chess, you can't afford to have a coach who's still playing checkers.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:29 pm    Post subject:

Judah wrote:
LakerSanity wrote:
I dont know if it's because I am older, if its because the NBA has become such a team game or if its just because I know more about basketball than I used to, but ai cannot recall any of the 2000s playoff runs having the kind of game to game adjustments that this playoff run had. You could see the effect of coaching on almost every game. So many small and large adjustments in each series. This was not coaching as a motivational speaker but coaching in a real Xs/Os sense, especially defensively.

This may be why guys like Rivers are relics. You can't just manage teams and personalities any more. There are too many, smart and analytics based minds out there. Probably not a coincidence that the two guys who coached the finals teams weren't ex players, but film room nerds. We watched a more mature basketball, maybe in a more mature era.

Yup. I noticed this too. Nurse is of that mold as well, even though he technically didn't start as a film room guy. He's a non-former NBA player who is just a nerd of the game. In this era of basketball chess, you can't afford to have a coach who's still playing checkers.

Unless you have some really good DVD's. I just noticed we went after 2 of LeBron's old coaches(over the last decade). If they were both so good, they would have still had a job like Spoelstra
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:52 pm    Post subject:

Is steve Kerr a good coach? Honest question.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:09 pm    Post subject:

How amazing is Coach Vogel. Really. 3rd choice. Was forced a 3 year deal. Was forced a Jason Kidd. Wasn’t asked any questions during the presser because of Magic on First Take. Made Lebron and the Team play defense. Made Davis play the 5 a little each game. Navigated through Kobe, Covid, and the Bubble. Made all the right adjustments. Started AD at Center and started Caruso. Now is a Champion!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:19 pm    Post subject:

Buck32 wrote:


The way Doc gets all the adulation you would think he has as many as Pop.


Doc, Paul Pierce, KG ... those guy got like 5 or 6 each, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:49 pm    Post subject:

Vogel wasn't lying when he said the Lakers had lineups they kept secret so nobody in the league had film on to study throughout the regular season. Ran 2 big men lineups for most of the regular season instead of playing AD at the 5 a ton, kept Caruso's minutes low in the regular season to unleash the secret weapon in the playoffs, hardly ran the Bron-AD pick n roll, rode with Rondo even though everyone thought he was a negative player that resulted in a few regular season losses, ran more of a traditional drop coverage defense than a switching defense that most of the league runs in the regular season, but played more switching and zone defense in the playoffs, blitzing Harden on double teams late in the shot clock during the 2nd round, etc. Saved the Caruso, KCP, Green, Bron, & AD starting lineup until game 6 of the finals that is arguably the Lakers best starting lineup possible, but only played it when they really needed it.

Vogel has a legit chance to stay coach of the Lakers for a decade and can build a legit Hall Of Fame case. He had already shown to be a really good coach before becoming a Laker with how good his run as Pacers coach was and has solidified himself as an elite coach going forward now. Preparation, gameplanning, attention to detail, halftime adjustments, and film work is the Vogel specialty. It's going to be hard for opposing coaches to outwork Vogel when it comes to preparation and it all trickles down to the players that match Vogel's vision with how the Lakers play hard/tough smash mouth basketball, elite defense, high BBIQ, unselfish, and to just bully opposing teams with how the Lakers were undefeated when they had the lead after the 3rd quarter. Teams usually have to play 48 minutes to win, but against the Lakers you only have 36 minutes to win because Lakers aren't giving up the lead when they are up heading into the 4th quarter.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:56 pm    Post subject:

Man that defense in the 2nd quarter was probably the greatest defense I've ever seen in all my years following this team. I've never seen that many Laker hands being as active as they were.


Even in the post game interview, he mentioned that was the best thing he saw out of the team last night. You can see a big smile on his face @ 6:53 when the report asks him about the defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhthrE231qY&t=427s
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:36 pm    Post subject:

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Eight current coaches with titles (including Lue who is expected to get a job soon, five of which have one ring. Frank has a pretty good chance to elevate himself into the multiple title list next season.


Popovic 5
Kerr 3
Spolestra 2

Nurse 1
Rivers 1
Carlisle 1
Vogel 1
Lue 1


I still can’t believe Phil has 11. Popovich, Kerr, Spoelstra, and Vogel combined.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:43 pm    Post subject:

Buck32 wrote:
Laker's Fan wrote:
Eight current coaches with titles (including Lue who is expected to get a job soon, five of which have one ring. Frank has a pretty good chance to elevate himself into the multiple title list next season.


Popovic 5
Kerr 3
Spolestra 2

Nurse 1
Rivers 1
Carlisle 1
Vogel 1
Lue 1


The way Doc gets all the adulation you would think he has as many as Pop.


That's why the Clippers are the Clippers and the Sixers are the Sixers. It's because of decisions like these that keep their respective franchises irrelevant. I mean after ALL those years tanking, the Sixers now have a team that couldn't even get to the ECF...from the Eastern Conference!! At least Ballmer was smart enough to cut his losses quickly. I don't think Rivers would last two years in Philadelphia. Doc Rivers clearly underperformed given the team that he had this year. I don't know what the Sixers see in him.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:46 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Laker's Fan wrote:
Eight current coaches with titles (including Lue who is expected to get a job soon, five of which have one ring. Frank has a pretty good chance to elevate himself into the multiple title list next season.


Popovic 5
Kerr 3
Spolestra 2

Nurse 1
Rivers 1
Carlisle 1
Vogel 1
Lue 1


I still can’t believe Phil has 11. Popovich, Kerr, Spoelstra, and Vogel combined.


Jeanie will probably send him one, he’s still behind the scenes helping the team.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30074130/how-lebron-james-lakers-fought-heartbreak-win-nba-finals
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:40 am    Post subject:

[quote="XTC"][quote="CandyCanes"][quote="Laker's Fan"]Eight current coaches with titles (including Lue who is expected to get a job soon, five of which have one ring. Frank has a pretty good chance to elevate himself into the multiple title list next season.


Popovic 5
Kerr 3
Spolestra 2

Nurse 1
Rivers 1
Carlisle 1
Vogel 1
Lue 1[/quote]

I still can’t believe Phil has 11. Popovich, Kerr, Spoelstra, and Vogel combined.[/quote]

Jeanie will probably send him one, he’s still behind the scenes helping the team.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30074130/how-lebron-james-lakers-fought-heartbreak-win-nba-finals[/quote]

Kerr, Spo, Nurse, Carlisle and Vogel are coaches of this era. Stevens, Malone may join them sometime. Popo is a bit out while Lue and Rivers may not be on this level.
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