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| Keep Vogel. Looks like Kidd is going to get a HC job. Slide a top offensive mind into his place. Not sure who that is or who's available but Stotts would be a start.. I think ? |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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He's not quite as bad as Thibs when it comes to offensive strategy. But he's close.
Despite that. He's a solid coach. He's a good leader. Instills confidence in his players.
He isn't top tier. But I can't think of a better NBA coach than him that is available.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Vogel needs to get a coach on his staff who actually has a clue about offensive basketball.
He also needs to fire whomever the Lakers shooting coach is.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:39 am Post subject: |
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The thing I’ve noticed with Vogel is that he needs that QB to run his offense. Last year it was Bron and Rondo. This year Bron got hurt and Schroder just isn’t a QB/floor general.
If we want better offense we need a high IQ PG. Not gonna be easy. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | The thing I’ve noticed with Vogel is that he needs that QB to run his offense. Last year it was Bron and Rondo. This year Bron got hurt and Schroder just isn’t a QB/floor general.
If we want better offense we need a high IQ PG. Not gonna be easy. |
Except ds kept us afloat and was the primary reason we even made play in |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | The thing I’ve noticed with Vogel is that he needs that QB to run his offense. Last year it was Bron and Rondo. This year Bron got hurt and Schroder just isn’t a QB/floor general.
If we want better offense we need a high IQ PG. Not gonna be easy. |
Agree.
As much as DS got buckets at times, his decision making was pretty mediocre.
The year before, I had read about Thunder fans having a love hate relationship with him, in that he'd do good things then do boneheaded things. We got to see it first hand this year. I really hope we don't give him what he thinks is "fair.". But then again, it may be a good trade piece down the line to a team that hasn't recognized his flaws 
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Rondo and Vogel are a proven duo... Unfortunately, I doubt we want his $7M salary to reunite the two.
| wolfpaclaker wrote: | The thing I’ve noticed with Vogel is that he needs that QB to run his offense. Last year it was Bron and Rondo. This year Bron got hurt and Schroder just isn’t a QB/floor general.
If we want better offense we need a high IQ PG. Not gonna be easy. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:39 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't mind the dallas ex coach...
led an alltime offense and understand spacing better than most... |
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I'm not now nor have I ever been a Vogel fan. I don't like his style, lineups or rotations. He's never given me the impression he had the locker room. He hasn't gotten the best out of what he has.
I'd like the Lakers to give Tim Duncan a shot at HC. He studied under Popovich. Pop has an impressive coaching tree. LINK
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | Rondo and Vogel are a proven duo... Unfortunately, I doubt we want his $7M salary to reunite the two.
| wolfpaclaker wrote: | The thing I’ve noticed with Vogel is that he needs that QB to run his offense. Last year it was Bron and Rondo. This year Bron got hurt and Schroder just isn’t a QB/floor general.
If we want better offense we need a high IQ PG. Not gonna be easy. |
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Lonzo is one of the few PGs available who shoots over 38% from 3, can lock down defensively and has the BBIQ to run a fast paced offense if LeBron isn't on the court.
Lonzo with AD/Drummond as rim protectors is a perfect fit for Vogel's defensive schemes. If we can bring back Dwight, we are right back where we were when we won the Ch'ip.
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| jodeke wrote: | I'm not now nor have I ever been a Vogel fan. I don't like his style, lineups or rotations. He's never given me the impression he had the locker room. He hasn't gotten the best out of what he has.
I'd like the Lakers to give Tim Duncan a shot at HC. He studied under Popovich. Pop has an impressive coaching tree. LINK |
Vogel's offensive schemes leave a lot to be desired, certainly.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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To me, it's puzzling that Vogel hasn't gotten an extension yet.
Sure, he's not the best when it comes to in game adjustments, but who is out there that you can say is better? We're #1 in the league in defense since Frank has come in.
I'm starting to lose confidence in Pelinka. He's dragging his feet with Vogel. Not only that, but he got hosed into bringing Schroeder in here and I'm not liking the Kuzma deal either. C'mon Rob - get it together already. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| jodeke wrote: | I'm not now nor have I ever been a Vogel fan. I don't like his style, lineups or rotations. He's never given me the impression he had the locker room. He hasn't gotten the best out of what he has.
I'd like the Lakers to give Tim Duncan a shot at HC. He studied under Popovich. Pop has an impressive coaching tree. LINK |
I'm pretty sure Tim doesn't want a HC gig, or even an AC. He stepped down as AC of San Antonio willfully and hasn't taken up another job since. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Vogel is a solid defensive coach.
He's a crap offensive coach.
He's crap at understanding offense.
He's bad at maximizing the players or constructing an offense giving them consistent roles and counts on LeBron to do it for him.
He blew it with Drummond, Gasol and Harrell after saying the solution and then refusing to do it.
Doesn't mean I want him gone, but we need an offensive assistant on our bench, and if Vogel was too stubborn to get one, they yes he deserves to go.
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For a bad offense they generated the 2nd most wide open 3s in the playoffs at 17.7 attempts a game (21.3% freq ranked 1).
Imagine if the guys didn't make the 2nd worst % at 32.1%... on WIDE open 3s.
Regular season had bad numbers on attempts. But we know the man makes the proper adjustments in the playoffs.
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| epic_ wrote: | For a bad offense they generated the 2nd most wide open 3s in the playoffs at 17.7 attempts a game (21.3% freq ranked 1).
Imagine if the guys didn't make the 2nd worst % at 32.1%... on WIDE open 3s.
Regular season had bad numbers on attempts. But we know the man makes the proper adjustments in the playoffs. |
Can you please point me to the site which has this type of data? This is very interesting and quite contrary to what I expected. |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | For a bad offense they generated the 2nd most wide open 3s in the playoffs at 17.7 attempts a game (21.3% freq ranked 1).
Imagine if the guys didn't make the 2nd worst % at 32.1%... on WIDE open 3s.
Regular season had bad numbers on attempts. But we know the man makes the proper adjustments in the playoffs. |
Can you please point me to the site which has this type of data? This is very interesting and quite contrary to what I expected. |
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/shots-closest-defender/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Playoffs&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&sort=FG3A&dir=1
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| epic_ wrote: | For a bad offense they generated the 2nd most wide open 3s in the playoffs at 17.7 attempts a game (21.3% freq ranked 1).
Imagine if the guys didn't make the 2nd worst % at 32.1%... on WIDE open 3s.
Regular season had bad numbers on attempts. But we know the man makes the proper adjustments in the playoffs. |
No doubt. Vogel is a defensive minded coach, but I’m not going to blame him for the Lakers embarrassing shooting on WIDE OPEN looks and they led the league in WIDE OPEN looks. |
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| Imagine a coach tanking to avoid playing an injured team because he had zero confidence in his squad |
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| Quote: | Cranjis McBasketball
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We got word from a Lakers coach:
1) LA has no plans to add an offensively minded coach to the staff.
Wondering why?
2) Vogel & staff feel they cannot properly evaluate and will not evaluate the team’s offensive Xs & Os until the roster is healthy |
Ah, we will wait until the season is underway and we've (hopefully) seen a fully healthy roster before we decide whether we need an offensive-minded coach on our staff  |
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What a stupid mentality.
"We can't add an offensive coach to the staff....cause they won't be able to help till we have a healthy roster."
How freaking dumb.
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Tims tweet sounds like it's missing some context.
The coach who told him the info is also part of the staff that wants to see the team healthy before evaluating? Weird that he would tell Tim in that manner.
Great way to get people to click on his podcast I suppose. 😁
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Offensive coaches work extremely well even if your roster is injured, because it helps develop actual schemes for the team that they can use so that they can actually have a 'next man up' mentality. It's beneficial to the team to have actual schemes that extend beyond "Lebron/AD do everything."
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| epic_ wrote: | Tims tweet sounds like it's missing some context.
The coach who told him the info is also part of the staff that wants to see the team healthy before evaluating? Weird that he would tell Tim in that manner.
Great way to get people to click on his podcast I suppose. 😁 |
I don't see what the team being fully healthy has to with an evaluation of our Xs and Os. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | Tims tweet sounds like it's missing some context.
The coach who told him the info is also part of the staff that wants to see the team healthy before evaluating? Weird that he would tell Tim in that manner.
Great way to get people to click on his podcast I suppose. 😁 |
I don't see what the team being fully healthy has to with an evaluation of our Xs and Os. |
Yea, it just doesn't make sense.
Which makes me feel like there's some other details missing.
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