The Possibilities of a Lebron - Ben Simmons Trade per Tom Haberstroh
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject:

Would do this trade in a heartbeat, no doubt about it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject:

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You don’t trade lebron.


Most of LG would in a heartbeat, cant say we wanted him in the first place. No love lost, peace LeBUM!
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:21 am    Post subject:

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Halflife wrote:
You don’t trade lebron.


Most of LG would in a heartbeat, cant say we wanted him in the first place. No love lost, peace LeBUM!


Most? Nah. Only the emotionally-driven ones.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:24 am    Post subject:

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Halflife wrote:
You don’t trade lebron.


Most of LG would in a heartbeat, cant say we wanted him in the first place. No love lost, peace LeBUM!


Most? Nah. Only the emotionally-driven ones.


There was a poll conducted a few weeks back on this very same question, and I remember the results being lopsided against Lebron.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:27 am    Post subject:

for Ben Simmons? i'd do it. i'm the biggest LeBron fan here, you all can see my past posts. however, he's 34 now, i'd flip him for a young Ben Simmon in a heart beat.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:29 am    Post subject:

SuperboyReformed wrote:
lol at lebron decling....

hes bad. always has been. you guys didnt watch and/or refuse to believe he is just bad. never has been good or great. hes fine, nothing wrong wtih him, just not great. oh but the stats! lol

yes, he INSTANTLY got old on the lakers. lol.


Seriously...

What did you just say?
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:34 am    Post subject:

al242 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
You don’t trade lebron.


Most of LG would in a heartbeat, cant say we wanted him in the first place. No love lost, peace LeBUM!


Most? Nah. Only the emotionally-driven ones.


There was a poll conducted a few weeks back on this very same question, and I remember the results being lopsided against Lebron.


That had a whopping 84 votes, and 60% of 84 votes said they would trade LBJ.

That represents most of LG? (we have 37,530 registered LG members). So no, it doesn't represent most of LG.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:39 am    Post subject:

So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team. Tell me Kawhi doesn’t take a second look at an alpha slot with the marquee franchise in LA. Tell me we can’t get Vuc to come along for the ride.
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So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:41 am    Post subject:

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€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.


No cash compensation? I’m not familiar with trade stips to be honest.

Ahh they need to jettison a contract or two to get under the cap... so we take Butler and have a Butler / Kawhi combo along with Simmons.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:42 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
You don’t trade lebron.


Most of LG would in a heartbeat, cant say we wanted him in the first place. No love lost, peace LeBUM!


Most? Nah. Only the emotionally-driven ones.


There was a poll conducted a few weeks back on this very same question, and I remember the results being lopsided against Lebron.


That had a whopping 84 votes, and 60% of 84 votes said they would trade LBJ.

That represents most of LG? (we have 37,530 registered LG members). So no, it doesn't represent most of LG.


Emotions aside I would trade LeBron for the right deal.
Ben Simmons just happens to not be that.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:43 am    Post subject:

€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.
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No cash compensation? I’m not familiar with trade stips to be honest.


Cash considerations do not account for cap space differentials.

They would have to do a S&T of Harris or Butler to the Lakers, then you only have 1 max slot. Doubt 76ers want to give up say BOTH Simmons and Butler for LBJ.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:44 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
Halflife wrote:
You don’t trade lebron.


Most of LG would in a heartbeat, cant say we wanted him in the first place. No love lost, peace LeBUM!


Most? Nah. Only the emotionally-driven ones.


There was a poll conducted a few weeks back on this very same question, and I remember the results being lopsided against Lebron.


That had a whopping 84 votes, and 60% of 84 votes said they would trade LBJ.

That represents most of LG? (we have 37,530 registered LG members). So no, it doesn't represent most of LG.


Emotions aside I would trade LeBron for the right deal.
Ben Simmons just happens to not be that.


Right, there are trades that would make sense if LBJ asked out. Simmons being the centerpiece of one just doesn't make sense given the realities of cap space.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:44 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.
.

No cash compensation? I’m not familiar with trade stips to be honest.


Cash considerations do not account for cap space differentials.

They would have to do a S&T of Harris or Butler to the Lakers, then you only have 1 max slot. Doubt 76ers want to give up say BOTH Simmons and Butler for LBJ.


Harris Embiid King James in the East... that’s not enticing? Just spitballin. Bird in the hand and all, we likely don’t trade James. But you know... I’d rather Bron be happy and successful in Philly than to see him pout alone on our bench for two years. Hell, it really depends on what Jeanie wants. And she hired a coach that instructs, not a yes man coach.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:47 am    Post subject:

€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.
.

No cash compensation? I’m not familiar with trade stips to be honest.


Cash considerations do not account for cap space differentials.

They would have to do a S&T of Harris or Butler to the Lakers, then you only have 1 max slot. Doubt 76ers want to give up say BOTH Simmons and Butler for LBJ.


Harris Embiid King James in the East... that’s not enticing?


Any chance on locking this nonsense. Bron is not asking for a trade and there is no trade with Bron unless he asks for it. Bottom line
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:51 am    Post subject:

King Randle wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.
.

No cash compensation? I’m not familiar with trade stips to be honest.


Cash considerations do not account for cap space differentials.

They would have to do a S&T of Harris or Butler to the Lakers, then you only have 1 max slot. Doubt 76ers want to give up say BOTH Simmons and Butler for LBJ.


Harris Embiid King James in the East... that’s not enticing?


Any chance on locking this nonsense. Bron is not asking for a trade and there is no trade with Bron unless he asks for it. Bottom line


Yeah, just stop discussion. We have no control here over what happens. None. So what are we afraid of talking for?
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:52 am    Post subject:

People really act like this man is 25 and not 35 with a 2 year window AT BEST.

Ben Simmons is a 22 year old all star who has not even begun to scratch his potential.

You have a decade PLUS with this man.

Please dont make it seem as though Ben Simmons cant and wont improve.

He's already giving you 17/9/8 in his second season with no jump shot.

This is such a no brainer its astonishing.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:52 am    Post subject:

pass...Bron is still one of the best in the game...Simmons is a nice player....but we have a young player in a similar mold in ball....
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€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.
.

No cash compensation? I’m not familiar with trade stips to be honest.


Cash considerations do not account for cap space differentials.

They would have to do a S&T of Harris or Butler to the Lakers, then you only have 1 max slot. Doubt 76ers want to give up say BOTH Simmons and Butler for LBJ.


Harris Embiid King James in the East... that’s not enticing? Just spitballin. Bird in the hand and all, we likely don’t trade James. But you know... I’d rather Bron be happy and successful in Philly than to see him pout alone on our bench for two years. Hell, it really depends on what Jeanie wants. And she hired a coach that instructs, not a yes man coach.


Honestly I don't think that's a better team than their current 4 guys. That's top heavy with two guys who are either injury prone (Embiid) or older (LBJ).
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:57 am    Post subject:

2 prime years with Lebron

10+ years with Simmons

How the F is this even a discussion, if Philly agrees, put Bron on the first plane outta here.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
€H£M£$TR¥ wrote:
So let’s get a poll going again for this specific trade. Imagine having two max slots open and acquiring Ben Simmons on his rookie deal going into this free agency class on a re-focus of a defensive minded team.


How do you get two max slots? 76ers would have to throw in matching salaries as Ben makes 1/3rd of what LBJ does.

Then you have the fantastic shooting duo of Lonzo/Simmons.
.

No cash compensation? I’m not familiar with trade stips to be honest.


Cash considerations do not account for cap space differentials.

They would have to do a S&T of Harris or Butler to the Lakers, then you only have 1 max slot. Doubt 76ers want to give up say BOTH Simmons and Butler for LBJ.


They might think about if we include Zo or a top 10 protected pick. Actually makes sense for both teams. Philly becomes the clear favorite if they are able to re-sign Harris.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:07 am    Post subject:

D-Shiznit wrote:
2 prime years with Lebron

10+ years with Simmons

How the F is this even a discussion, if Philly agrees, put Bron on the first plane outta here.


Depends on if that 2 year impact > Ben's 10 year impact
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:08 am    Post subject:

The ability for otherwise intelligent basketball fans to dismiss LBJ's short window continues to amaze me.

I must have seen 50 examples here where they act like LBJ is an evolutionary marvel, uniquely impervious to aging for whom we should give up everything.

Have we learned nothing from what Morey did with Chris Paul?

Even Philly rolled the dice with their moves sacrificing depth and youth for winning now and failed...

And now we want to be the third to repeat this experiment?

Yes, the two elite FA plan was brilliant on paper... but now that we've seen that we have a very small likelihood of it coming to fruition... the solution is now to double down and make another idiotic godfather trade offer... to shoehorn a second agent... just so we can say we succeeded in achieving it?

That may be in LBJ's interest... but I'm not sure if that's in ours.

If LBJ cannot lure Kawhi or Kyrie... then trading him wouldn't be a bad idea.

An old LBJ who can't lure another good agent is no different than farewell tour Kobe.

Simmons will never be the player that LBJ is, but if two better players will play with him, then he's certainly more valuable than a washed up LBJ.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:11 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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You don’t trade lebron.


Most of LG would in a heartbeat, cant say we wanted him in the first place. No love lost, peace LeBUM!


Most? Nah. Only the emotionally-driven ones.


Don't agree. Arguably the supporters of signing James are more emotionally driven. Believing in the promise of the exploits of a prime James and a win now roster appearing "just because it's Lebron". Constantly fantasizing about the elite free agents and trades that would happen instead of the developing what they had in place.

Can't speak for the "most" mentioned but some saw the risks and potential foolhardiness of this plan before he was even signed. From a bball sense, building a team from scratch around a player with James age/mileage was simply wrong. Thinking the drama and need to appease James and his people was wrong. Thinking that it would all seamlessly fall into place was wrong.

This past season was a mess. James didn't buy in for whatever reason. Magic assembled a bad roster. Team identity and chemistry took a major hit as the contradictory plans were never balanced. Now from the organization is in shambles and need to do some major damage control. With front office leaders that have shown questionable decision making.

The reason to think seriously about a James trade is for a fresh start. This was a bad idea. Trade him to a ready made contender. It will be a kindness to him and the Lakers can accept the ridicule and move on.

One basic question defines this decision. Can the Lakers be a realistic contender this year?

Not from an emotional fantasy perspective but from a bball sense. Can the right roster and chemistry be developed under a new HC in one year to legitimately compete.

After re-reading my rant... maybe I am the emotional one.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:24 am    Post subject:

Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:

After re-reading my rant... maybe I am the emotional one.

TBH, I find myself agreeing with the content in most of your posts, the ones I've read, so I don't consider them rants.
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