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So, am I crazy or did the Pels throw away trade leverage they got on every team not named the Lakers by taking us out of the running with the over my dead body sentiment. I mean, if I was Boston, I’d lowball the hell out of the Pels.
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | So, am I crazy or did the Pels throw away trade leverage they got on every team not named the Lakers by taking us out of the running with the over my dead body sentiment. I mean, if I was Boston, I’d lowball the hell out of the Pels. |
The owner of the pel said that report is not true. I think they may trade with the Lakers, but if not, we still have the #4 pick, cap space, and young talent. Now that we know that magic was behind trying to give away all the young talent, makes me a little at ease with negotiations. |
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And if Boston loses Kyrie, they are not doing a 5 for 1 trade, which would kill all their depth...
Especially when Davis said he would not resign there (well actually his dad said that)..
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | M2K wrote: |
Good luck on the Pelicans finding a FO willing to gut their team for a better package only to have AD walk to LA in 2020. |
In order for AD to walk to LA in 2020, wouldn't that mean we signed only 1 yr deals again this year? |
He wants to play for the Lakers so bad, he'll take the MLE. |
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If we wanted yes I think we can give up the best package in the league.
Pick 4 (Lottery talent like Garland or Hunter)
Ingram (starter, lottery talent still 2-3 years away from peak).
Lonzo (borderline starter, lottery talent, 2-3 years away)
Kuzma (6th man/borderline starter, 1-2 years away)
Hart (considerable talent, could be more than a 3nD player)
Two future first round picks the later pick, lottery protected.
That's a pretty crazy trade package - if we wanted to go all in and offer it to get AD with LBJ, and then go for a title right away by making veteran FA signings.
I am not saying that's what we should do or will do, but that we could theoretically offer the best trade package in the league outside of the Suns. The Suns could do better, but considering AD won't re-sign with them, I can't see them get too deeply involved. From the teams that I could see AD re-sign (LA/NY/Boston), I think we have the best package to offer. I mean come on - Zion/Kuzma/Ingram/Hunter/Zo, Randle/Hart, plus 2 future first rounders. That's a heist.
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| I'll remove Kuz from that package, probably Hart, let's not take in salary also |
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I have to do this, because everyone keeps saying that Boston has the best to offer NOLA in a trade for AD over the Lakers, which is simply not true. It's based on Bias and pure hate for the Lakers as an NBA Franchise Organization...
Jaylen Brown - 6'7 220lbs - Shooting Guard
13.0Pts - 4.2REB - 1.4AST
Jason Tatum -6'8 208lbs - Small Forward
15.7Pts - 6.0REB - 2.1AST
Marcus Smart - 6'4 220lbs - Point Guard
8.9Pts - 2.9REB - 4.0AST
Draft Pics this year = #'s 14/20
Total Averages - 12.5Pts - 4.3REB - 2.5AST
Brandon Ingram - 6'9 190lbs - Small Forward
18.3Pts - 5.1REB - 3.0AST
Kyle Kuzma - 6'9 220lbs - Power Forward
18.7Pts - 5.5REB - 2.5AST
Lonzo Ball - 6'6 190lbs - Point Guard
9.9Pts - 5.3REB - 5.4AST
Draft Pics this year = #4
Total Averages - 15.6Pts - 5.3REB - 3.6AST
Anthony Davis 6'10 253lbs - Power Forward
25.9Pts - 12.0REB - 3.9AST
Do the Celtics have more draft pics to offer? Yes of course, but the Lakers Players have proven to be better overall and when it comes to NBA potential, honestly, they are equal. Jayson Tatum had a good playoffs last year, but where was he this year. Not to mention the fact of East Conf. vs West Conf. or being on the same team as LBJ.
Yes Celtics go ahead and offer the farm for AD, you will be without a team the following year!!!
And just for the Record, I would only offer 2 of the 3 players from the Lakers in that trade... Possibly throw in Josh Hart in Lieu of either BI/Ingram. Draft pics and future pics... |
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The Knicks have the best offer
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
I don't agree, but I do agree that not being the Lakers gives the Knicks a great advantage.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
I don't agree, but I do agree that not being the Lakers gives the Knicks a great advantage. |
The 3rd pick is better than anything we have to offer
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD?
So it’s KD, Kyrie, and AD all or nothing title chase in 19-20?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
I don't agree, but I do agree that not being the Lakers gives the Knicks a great advantage. |
The 3rd pick is better than anything we have to offer |
Eh. I think that's true if they have a #1 pick, as I don't see THAT much of a gulf b/w #3 and #4. In terms of young players, Lonzo/BI/Kuz > Knox/et. al. easily.
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD? |
The potential rental is just something you made up. Again, the 3rd pick is better than anything we have to offer.
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD? |
The potential rental is just something you made up. Again, the 3rd pick is better than anything we have to offer.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD? |
The potential rental is just something you made up. Again, the 3rd pick is better than anything we have to offer. |
Did I? My bad. I just assumed he was factually a FA in 2020. I assume now you’re saying a sign and trade that AD would have to agree to.
Regardless, I’m good either way. I like our team. But I’m a blind loyalist.
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I do think Knicks/Clips have an advantage over the Lakers simply b/c they're not the Lakers.
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD?
So it’s KD, Kyrie, and AD all or nothing title chase in 19-20? |
that is a WEAK offer IMO. Knox and DSJr are not good. Heck the Mavs couldnt get rid of DSJr in a firesale and had to take him off the market... he was only traded as filler in the Porky package.
And then #3 is not much better than our #4. I can easily see 2-3 guys becoming a better player than RJ.
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| lakurluv wrote: | I have to do this, because everyone keeps saying that Boston has the best to offer NOLA in a trade for AD over the Lakers, which is simply not true. It's based on Bias and pure hate for the Lakers as an NBA Franchise Organization...
Jaylen Brown - 6'7 220lbs - Shooting Guard
13.0Pts - 4.2REB - 1.4AST
Jason Tatum -6'8 208lbs - Small Forward
15.7Pts - 6.0REB - 2.1AST
Marcus Smart - 6'4 220lbs - Point Guard
8.9Pts - 2.9REB - 4.0AST
Draft Pics this year = #'s 14/20
Total Averages - 12.5Pts - 4.3REB - 2.5AST
Brandon Ingram - 6'9 190lbs - Small Forward
18.3Pts - 5.1REB - 3.0AST
Kyle Kuzma - 6'9 220lbs - Power Forward
18.7Pts - 5.5REB - 2.5AST
Lonzo Ball - 6'6 190lbs - Point Guard
9.9Pts - 5.3REB - 5.4AST
Draft Pics this year = #4
Total Averages - 15.6Pts - 5.3REB - 3.6AST
Anthony Davis 6'10 253lbs - Power Forward
25.9Pts - 12.0REB - 3.9AST
Do the Celtics have more draft pics to offer? Yes of course, but the Lakers Players have proven to be better overall and when it comes to NBA potential, honestly, they are equal. Jayson Tatum had a good playoffs last year, but where was he this year. Not to mention the fact of East Conf. vs West Conf. or being on the same team as LBJ.
Yes Celtics go ahead and offer the farm for AD, you will be without a team the following year!!!
And just for the Record, I would only offer 2 of the 3 players from the Lakers in that trade... Possibly throw in Josh Hart in Lieuou of either BI/Ingram. Draft pics and future pics... |
They can offer Tatum and 4 draft picks, 3 1st round picks plus any player sign and trade the pels want |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | So, am I crazy or did the Pels throw away trade leverage they got on every team not named the Lakers by taking us out of the running with the over my dead body sentiment. I mean, if I was Boston, I’d lowball the hell out of the Pels. |
The owner of the pel said that report is not true. I think they may trade with the Lakers, but if not, we still have the #4 pick, cap space, and young talent. Now that we know that magic was behind trying to give away all the young talent, makes me a little at ease with negotiations. |
I have no doubt she actually said it in a moment of weakness where she exposed her emotional bias against the Lakers. Logic eventually returned when she realized she lost leverage with that comment and tried to walk it back. The "over my dead body" was printed in quotations, so someone definitely overheard it.
I'm sure she hasn't completely shut the door on the Lakers, but we'll be far down her list. She will take a lesser offer if it's a non-Laker team. We will be her absolute last resort. |
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| audioaxes wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD?
So it’s KD, Kyrie, and AD all or nothing title chase in 19-20? |
that is a WEAK offer IMO. Knox and DSJr are not good. Heck the Mavs couldnt get rid of DSJr in a firesale and had to take him off the market... he was only traded as filler in the Porky package.
And then #3 is not much better than our #4. I can easily see 2-3 guys becoming a better player than RJ. |
I don't think RJ is that much better than the candidates for #4, and there is a possibility that the Knicks may not even take RJ at the end of the day too.
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| noahp45 wrote: | | lakurluv wrote: | I have to do this, because everyone keeps saying that Boston has the best to offer NOLA in a trade for AD over the Lakers, which is simply not true. It's based on Bias and pure hate for the Lakers as an NBA Franchise Organization...
Jaylen Brown - 6'7 220lbs - Shooting Guard
13.0Pts - 4.2REB - 1.4AST
Jason Tatum -6'8 208lbs - Small Forward
15.7Pts - 6.0REB - 2.1AST
Marcus Smart - 6'4 220lbs - Point Guard
8.9Pts - 2.9REB - 4.0AST
Draft Pics this year = #'s 14/20
Total Averages - 12.5Pts - 4.3REB - 2.5AST
Brandon Ingram - 6'9 190lbs - Small Forward
18.3Pts - 5.1REB - 3.0AST
Kyle Kuzma - 6'9 220lbs - Power Forward
18.7Pts - 5.5REB - 2.5AST
Lonzo Ball - 6'6 190lbs - Point Guard
9.9Pts - 5.3REB - 5.4AST
Draft Pics this year = #4
Total Averages - 15.6Pts - 5.3REB - 3.6AST
Anthony Davis 6'10 253lbs - Power Forward
25.9Pts - 12.0REB - 3.9AST
Do the Celtics have more draft pics to offer? Yes of course, but the Lakers Players have proven to be better overall and when it comes to NBA potential, honestly, they are equal. Jayson Tatum had a good playoffs last year, but where was he this year. Not to mention the fact of East Conf. vs West Conf. or being on the same team as LBJ.
Yes Celtics go ahead and offer the farm for AD, you will be without a team the following year!!!
And just for the Record, I would only offer 2 of the 3 players from the Lakers in that trade... Possibly throw in Josh Hart in Lieuou of either BI/Ingram. Draft pics and future pics... |
They can offer Tatum and 4 draft picks, 3 1st round picks plus any player sign and trade the pels want |
They would have to include a lot of salary filler though to match AD's deal.
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD?
So it’s KD, Kyrie, and AD all or nothing title chase in 19-20? |
Why are you assuming it would only be Knox and Smith Jr and this year's #3 pick?
What if they also threw in Robinson, Trier or Ntilikina and future draft picks, like the Dallas 2021 (unprotected). |
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| LAL1947 wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD?
So it’s KD, Kyrie, and AD all or nothing title chase in 19-20? |
Why are you assuming it would only be Knox and Smith Jr and this year's #3 pick?
What if they also threw in Robinson, Trier or Ntilikina and future draft picks, like the Dallas 2021 (unprotected). |
Also comes down to roster space too. I don't see a 6 for 1 deal. But you are correct. There are other assets, but they're not exactly top tier ones.
Knicks primary advantage over the Lakers in any AD trade:
1. they're not the Lakers. For some reason the Pels hate us.
2. trading AD out East.
3. whatever the relative merits of getting #3 over 4.
I do think from a purely asset standpoint, we have more to offer. But reason #1 above may negate that.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | audioaxes wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD?
So it’s KD, Kyrie, and AD all or nothing title chase in 19-20? |
that is a WEAK offer IMO. Knox and DSJr are not good. Heck the Mavs couldnt get rid of DSJr in a firesale and had to take him off the market... he was only traded as filler in the Porky package.
And then #3 is not much better than our #4. I can easily see 2-3 guys becoming a better player than RJ. |
I don't think RJ is that much better than the candidates for #4, and there is a possibility that the Knicks may not even take RJ at the end of the day too. |
Even more options for us at 4 then. Even from a pessimist position, we have youth with pro experience, a hell of a 3rd team all nba professional champion, a coach with a pro scheme (with proven playoff success), and an arena that literally sells out every night. Not to mention the 4th overall pick and a max slot should we want to use it. We are not tied to Magic’s timeline, and can always sign excellent shooters in a hell of a free agency market.
Other than the media hate, Rome ain’t burnin.
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| LAL1947 wrote: | | €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Knicks have the best offer |
Just so we’re clear, the Knicks offer is:
Knox, Dennis Smith Jr, and #3 for a potential rental on AD?
So it’s KD, Kyrie, and AD all or nothing title chase in 19-20? |
Why are you assuming it would only be Knox and Smith Jr and this year's #3 pick?
What if they also threw in Robinson, Trier or Ntilikina and future draft picks, like the Dallas 2021 (unprotected). |
You’re right... they can throw all their guys at the Pels. I just wanted to be clear on the offer that was referred to by VLF. I would the be able to agree with or reject his perspective.
More over, in. S/T, the underlying assumption is that AD would sign off on committing to the Knicks for max money while taking into account how much Kyrie and KD would consume of their cap, and the supporting cast as well. The only situation where AD doesn’t have to approve is if they trade him for the remaining season of his current contract.
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