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KobeIsTheOne
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 Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 7:56 pm Post subject: Who wins a 7 game series btw the best of the Kobe/Shaq/Horry Lakers vs. the peak of the Kobe/Pau/Odom Lakers? |
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This question came up recently among a group of friends, and it led to a great conversation about matchups, depth, age, who was in their prime, hunger, and a lot more.
My initial thought was the Shaq/Kobe team - they were the 3peat team, Shaq and Kobe were unstoppable, etc...
...but they were not deep. The more I actually thought about it, I'd have to say the Kobe/Pau/Odom....and Bynum Lakers. I think Pau and Bynum together would have done just enough and Prime Mamba would have had his way against Baby Fro-be.
The 3 peat Lakers were much older as well, outside of Kobe & Horry. Fish was young, but wasn't a starter then. We're talking about Ron Harper and Brian Shaw.
I think Prime Kobe is the difference. On the other side, it's basically Prime Shaq & a bunch of old dudes, a young phenom and Horry hitting big shots.
People forget about Ron Artest on those later squads...in addition to Pau, Odom, Bynum, and Prime Kobe. Pretty loaded.
If you think it's the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, say why you think they'd win. I haven't yet heard a convincing argument.
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Not mentioning Rick Fox instead of Horry is a crime.
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Bynum, Gasol, and Odom against Shaq... Tough for the Diesel to handle this.
The game had already started to change by the time 2008 arrived. Not as messed up as it is now, but teams were already taking bigs off the floor for more shooters. That's how we started playing Gasol at the 5.
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I haven't voted... Still thinking...
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my opinion....not sure it goes more than 5 games. Kobe and Shaq...enough said. If those two are in shape, healthy and on the same page is their prime years....good luck to any team beating them.
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No one could contain Shaq
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| adkindo wrote: | | my opinion....not sure it goes more than 6 games. Kobe and Shaq...enough said. If those two are in shape, healthy and on the same page is their prime years....good luck to any team beating them. |
But they weren't BOTH in their primes.
Kobe was not yet. This is a young - albeit amazingly talented - Kobe at that stage.
2009-2010 Kobe was mentally better, and still wildly athletic, with a absolute mastery of the game at that stage. He would have dominated his younger self.
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| adkindo wrote: | | my opinion....not sure it goes more than 6 games. Kobe and Shaq...enough said. If those two are in shape, healthy and on the same page is their prime years....good luck to any team beating them. |
Kobe wasn't in his prime yet. I think he said he entered the beginning of his prime during the 01-02 season. But Shaq was already declining by then.
The best year would be 00-01
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| KobeIsTheOne wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | my opinion....not sure it goes more than 6 games. Kobe and Shaq...enough said. If those two are in shape, healthy and on the same page is their prime years....good luck to any team beating them. |
Kobe wasn't in his prime yet. I think he said he entered the beginning of his prime during the 01-02 season. But Shaq was already declining by then.
The best year would be 00-01 |
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If we take the 00-01 Laker and matched them up against the 09-10 Lakers... I think 09-10 wins in six games.
Even in his prime... Shaq used to frustrate the mess out of me by not showing on the pick n roll/pop. Pau, Powell, Lamar, Bynum, and Mbenga are probably too much for Shaq.
Artest is probably too much for Rick Fox and this where the series is won.
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | KobeIsTheOne wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | my opinion....not sure it goes more than 6 games. Kobe and Shaq...enough said. If those two are in shape, healthy and on the same page is their prime years....good luck to any team beating them. |
Kobe wasn't in his prime yet. I think he said he entered the beginning of his prime during the 01-02 season. But Shaq was already declining by then.
The best year would be 00-01 |
Agreed. |
If we take the 00-01 Laker and matched them up against the 09-10 Lakers... I think 09-10 wins in six games.
Even in his prime... Shaq used to frustrate the mess out of me by not showing on the pick n roll/pop. Pau, Powell, Lamar, Bynum, and Mbenga are probably too much for Shaq.
Artest is probably too much for Rick Fox and this where the series is won. |
All valid points. Plus Prime vs. Young Kobe.
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| People really forget just how much of a problem Shaq was on the block.. Odds are the opposing big man will be in foul trouble, which limits his production on offense. There's also a good chance your second best big is also in foul trouble. |
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How is this even a question. Lol
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The 1st Kobe was a way better defender than the 2nd. Locked AIndown one game because he felt like it.
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No question Shaq Kobe Lakers.
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| KobeIsTheOne wrote: | | LBJ23 wrote: | | The 1st Kobe was a way better defender than the 2nd. |
This is false. |
So show me how it is instead of just acting like you know.
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03-04 was his last dominating defensive season and he was better on defense during his Shaq years than his Pau years according to numbers and what I saw.
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Shaq was the best player out of anyone in theose 1st 3 teams. He had a season they was better then any one of Kobe's seasons ever.
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The answer is Kobe/Shaq and it's not particularly close. The supporting cast was also better in every way. For all the "Kobe wasn't in his prime yet" people…you're right. However not-quite-prime Kobe was better than most 2's in the league and made every Western Conference Playoff participant his (bleep) in 2001. He was as important that run-if not more important-than Shaq.
With all due respect I can't wrap my head around NOT going with the 3-peat Lakers. Since I know I'm stubborn enough that I'm not changing my mind I'll let you folks debate. Have fun!  |
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The 2010 Lakers struggled against old man Shaq and the bigs struggled with foul trouble against him when he was on the Cavs.
Biggest value Artest brought was on defense but he isn’t stopping a 2001 version of Kobe. The 2010 Lakers struggled with OKC, Phoenix and Boston and they were old and worn down (it was even worse in 2011 which is a reason why the Mavs swept). And with Artest the offense wasn’t even good (defense was elite though). I like the 2009 teams chances better. But I still think the 2001 Lakers win. |
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