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Inverse Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:02 pm Post subject: What Team Do You Want to See to Start the 2019 Season? |
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I'd like to start off by saying this entire thread is centered around the Lakers signing Kawhii.
With that being said, what team would people prefer? (Assuming 4th pick will be Garland). Team A is our young core plus Kawhi. Team B is Kawhi + trade core and 4th pick for AD.
The NBA cap for 2019-2020 is 109 million and luxury tax is 132 million so thats the number I'll be using to construct team b. If they hold onto Mo/Hart/Bonga, then they'll be at $105 MM, which means they'll be able to hand out a couple 1 year-$2MM deals before handing someone the MLE (around $8MM/yr I believe)
The MLE will be a valuable tool as it allows you to give a contract around 8 million per year up to 4 years "for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but under the luxury tax apron." Looking at who is available, I think offering the MLE to a defensive minded PG like Patrick Beverley would make sense. The rest is just vet min contracts that are essentially just names people would recognize that fit money-wise
Team A:
G: Lonzo Ball
G: Kawhi Leonard
F: Brandon Ingram
F: LeBron James
C: Javale McGee (re-sign)
Bench:
G: Darius Garland
G: Josh Hart
F: Reggie Bullock (re-sign)
F: Kyle Kuzma
C: Mo Wagner
Team B:
G: Patrick Beverley (MLE-32MM/4years)
G: Wayne Ellington ($2MM)
F: Kawhi Leonard ($35MM)
F: LeBron James ($37MM)
C: Anthony Davis ($27MM)
Bench
G: Alex Caruso (2-way)
G: Josh Hart ($2MM)
F: Isaac Bonga ($1.6MM)
F: Mo Wagner ($2MM)
C: Jonathan Williams (2-way)
Total cap: Around $115MM
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Im not a cap expert by any stretch of the imagination but I do believe team B is essentially the roster we'd be looking at if we did go thru with the AD trade (Kuz/Zo/BI/4th).
It's a tough call because I think it really all comes down to who the FO hands out the MLE to. I wouldn't be mad at the FO at all if they fielded team B to start the regular season but I'm 60% leaning towards team A because of my bias for our young guys.
If any cap guys see anything wrong with the numbers or any rules that I missed then please chime in so I can update it. _________________ He's my GOAT |
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999 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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team B for sure |
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Bard207 Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Team B:
G: Patrick Beverley (MLE-32MM/4years)
G: Wayne Ellington ($2MM)
F: Kawhi Leonard ($35MM)
F: LeBron James ($37MM)
C: Anthony Davis ($27MM)
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YSong Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think team B can be better if you look at all the vet min options because we can do better |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers would not have the MLE to use. We'd have the room exception as we'd drop below the salary cap to sign Kawhi. |
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Inverse Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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YSong wrote: | I think team B can be better if you look at all the vet min options because we can do better |
How much better can we do? We have about $4 million left after we trade for AD and sign Kawhii with our current roster. Really narrows your choices. I think Wayne Ellington fits the bill for what we need which is shooting at the starting 2 spot and he comes relatively cheap. Only way we can go over the cap is with the MLE I believe*** _________________ He's my GOAT |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Team B |
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Inverse Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | Lakers would not have the MLE to use. We'd have the room exception as we'd drop below the salary cap to sign Kawhi. |
Well I got the MLE rules from Wikipedia:
Mid-level exception
Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. In the 2017 CBA, the MLE was initially set at $8.406 million in the 2017–18 season for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but under the luxury tax apron, set at $6 million above the tax line.
By that definition I figured the Lakers would be eligible to use it?
Also, assuming they sign Kawhi July 1 (assuming $35MM/4yr) that would put them at $101 MM salary cap. So still under the soft cap of $109 MM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/LAL.html _________________ He's my GOAT
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Team B |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I can't stand wayne ellington after his year with us where he cared 0 about the team. can we get someone else please _________________ Kobe |
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Inverse Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | I can't stand wayne ellington after his year with us where he cared 0 about the team. can we get someone else please |
Lol sure. Be my guest. Just make sure they won't be worth more than $3MM
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/shooting-guard/ _________________ He's my GOAT |
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TheKing23 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Team B is less exciting to me because I want to see what happens to our young core if they stay together plus Garland...
But Team B for win now obviously |
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LakerMindLA Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Inverse wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | Lakers would not have the MLE to use. We'd have the room exception as we'd drop below the salary cap to sign Kawhi. |
Well I got the MLE rules from Wikipedia:
Mid-level exception
Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. In the 2017 CBA, the MLE was initially set at $8.406 million in the 2017–18 season for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but under the luxury tax apron, set at $6 million above the tax line.
By that definition I figured the Lakers would be eligible to use it?
Also, assuming they sign Kawhi July 1 (assuming $35MM/4yr) that would put them at $101 MM salary cap. So still under the soft cap of $109 MM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/LAL.html |
Lakers will be considered an under the cap team to sign Kawhi Leonard.
"The standard mid-level exception is available to over-the-cap teams that haven’t dipped below the cap to use room and don’t go over the tax apron at all. It can run for up to four years, with 5% annual raises.
The taxpayer mid-level exception is for in-the-tax teams, or teams that want the flexibility to surpass the tax apron later. It can run for up to three years, with 5% annual raises.
The room exception is for teams that go under the cap and use their space. Once they’ve used all their cap room, they can use this version of the mid-level exception, which runs for up to two years with 5% annual raises."
Also your numbers are off. Right now the Lakers don't even have the cap-space to sign Kawhi to a full max. We are a few 100k short. We won't have cap-room after we sign him. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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TheKing23 wrote: | Team B is less exciting to me because I want to see what happens to our young core if they stay together plus Garland...
But Team B for win now obviously |
I choose team B but I agree I’m enticed to see the young core but I also know that there is a good chance they get traded for Beal or AD. |
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Inverse Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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LakerMindLA wrote: | Inverse wrote: | LakerMindLA wrote: | Lakers would not have the MLE to use. We'd have the room exception as we'd drop below the salary cap to sign Kawhi. |
Well I got the MLE rules from Wikipedia:
Mid-level exception
Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. In the 2017 CBA, the MLE was initially set at $8.406 million in the 2017–18 season for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but under the luxury tax apron, set at $6 million above the tax line.
By that definition I figured the Lakers would be eligible to use it?
Also, assuming they sign Kawhi July 1 (assuming $35MM/4yr) that would put them at $101 MM salary cap. So still under the soft cap of $109 MM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/LAL.html |
Lakers will be considered an under the cap team to sign Kawhi Leonard.
"The standard mid-level exception is available to over-the-cap teams that haven’t dipped below the cap to use room and don’t go over the tax apron at all. It can run for up to four years, with 5% annual raises.
The taxpayer mid-level exception is for in-the-tax teams, or teams that want the flexibility to surpass the tax apron later. It can run for up to three years, with 5% annual raises.
The room exception is for teams that go under the cap and use their space. Once they’ve used all their cap room, they can use this version of the mid-level exception, which runs for up to two years with 5% annual raises."
Also your numbers are off. Right now the Lakers don't even have the cap-space to sign Kawhi to a full max. We are a few 100k short. We won't have cap-room after we sign him. |
Ok so the room MLE seems to be around $5MM/year for 2 years. Is that the best contract they'll be able to hand out? If so, might be able to get someone like Pat Beverley. _________________ He's my GOAT |
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kenkoy Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Team B...swap Hart for Ellington in the starting lineup. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: What Team Do You Want to See to Start the 2019 Season? |
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Inverse wrote: |
Team B:
G: Patrick Beverley (MLE-32MM/4years)
G: Wayne Ellington ($2MM)
F: Kawhi Leonard ($35MM)
F: LeBron James ($37MM)
C: Anthony Davis ($27MM)
Bench
G: Alex Caruso (2-way)
G: Josh Hart ($2MM)
F: Isaac Bonga ($1.6MM)
F: Mo Wagner ($2MM)
C: Jonathan Williams (2-way)
Total cap: Around $115MM |
As others have said, Beverley can only be offered the room exception. I think he'll generate interest and some team will offer him a longer deal.
I doubt Ellington will be available for $2 million.
I think if we get a big three, we'll end up with older ring chasers, rather than 30-year-old guys who still want to score one last big paycheck. |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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1. Kawhi + AD
2. Kawhi + the kids
3. AD + 1 of Zo/BI/Kuz
4. Kyrie + the kids
5. AD for all the kids
6. The kids + Kemba or Jimmy
7. No max and spread over 3 guys for 10-12m for 2-3 years _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: What Team Do You Want to See to Start the 2019 Season? |
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activeverb wrote: | Inverse wrote: |
Team B:
G: Patrick Beverley (MLE-32MM/4years)
G: Wayne Ellington ($2MM)
F: Kawhi Leonard ($35MM)
F: LeBron James ($37MM)
C: Anthony Davis ($27MM)
Bench
G: Alex Caruso (2-way)
G: Josh Hart ($2MM)
F: Isaac Bonga ($1.6MM)
F: Mo Wagner ($2MM)
C: Jonathan Williams (2-way)
Total cap: Around $115MM |
As others have said, Beverley can only be offered the room exception. I think he'll generate interest and some team will offer him a longer deal.
I doubt Ellington will be available for $2 million.
I think if we get a big three, we'll end up with older ring chasers, rather than 30-year-old guys who still want to score one last big paycheck. |
POTENTIAL MINIMUM GUYS:
* Vince Carter
* Taj Gibson
* Robin Lopez
* Iman Shumpert
* Tyson Chandler
* Javale McGee
* Jared Dudley
* Garrett Temple
* Wayne Ellington
* Corey Joseph
* Anthony Tolliver
* Carmelo Anthony
* Markieff Morris
* Thabo Sefolosha
* Kyle O’Quinn
* Lance Stephenson
* Rajon Rondo
* Amir Johnson
* Omri Casspi
* Jamal Crawford
* Derek Rose (maybe?)
* Jonas Jerebko
* Shelvin Mack
* Joakim Noah
* Noah Vonleh
* Trey Burke
* Pat McCaw
Plus:
* Alex Caruso
* Jemerrio Jones _________________ 24 |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'll take either
I'm not greedy |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | I can't stand wayne ellington after his year with us where he cared 0 about the team. can we get someone else please |
You mean when his dad was shot?
Yeah sure. Criticize him for being more focused on who killed his dad than on Basketball
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Team A. That squad would have amazing defensive potential. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Team C. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Team A would still have Caruso. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Team B easily.
You have a chance to get Kawhi and AD's prime years, with a still top 10 player in Lebron? Are you kidding me? How is this even a question. I love our young guys but come on now. |
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