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whitemamba Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:34 am Post subject: Trading lonzo ball would be a tremendous mistake |
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First time he’s had a full off season under his belt , he’s going to be a walking triple double next year, lakers should not blow up this core. deal anyone else keep zo. _________________ lets go lakers. |
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lakerfanaticPT Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Maybe so, but if AD is on the table and Griffin wants him....bu bye. |
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The God Particle Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Trading lonzo ball would be a tremendous mistake |
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whitemamba wrote: | First time he’s had a full off season under his belt , he’s going to be a walking triple single next year, lakers should not blow up this core. deal anyone else keep zo. |
FIFY
- Charles Barkley
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Super Mega Team Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:56 am Post subject: |
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He needs to learn how to shoot.
Can he shoot at least 70% from the line next year? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo keeps losing valuable in-game experience (has missed over 60+ games and summer development time to injury). It's like he's starting his 2nd year again when he's on year 3 of his deal.
I actually believe in Lonzo, but it's sad to see him miss so much time on court. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:17 am Post subject: |
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It depends on what you get in return _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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The God Particle Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:26 am Post subject: |
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OC Lakerfan wrote: | He needs to learn how to shoot.
Can he shoot at least 70% from the line next year? |
Ignore his FT%!
His FT% is the least of his/ concerns as it relates to his FTs.
Worse than the FT% is the fact that he gets to the FT line at a HISTORICALLY bad rate. Lonzo got to the FT line 48(!!!) (bleep) times last year. FORTY EIGHT! FOUR EIGHT. CUARENTAyOCHO.
I think Harden had 48 by the end of the 3rd quarter of his 2nd game last year! |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:46 am Post subject: |
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As always, it depends on the return. _________________ Under New Management |
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LKA Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:49 am Post subject: |
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I'm higher on him than Ingram and Kuzma, despite his terrible shooting
I think you could build a contender with him and LeBron but if he needs to go in order for us to win with LeBron under contract then he needs to go. As well as the others. _________________ I just put my whole damn arm in the fridge
10 chains on Lucky Charms I'm the (bleep) |
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LKA Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:50 am Post subject: |
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The God Particle wrote: | OC Lakerfan wrote: | He needs to learn how to shoot.
Can he shoot at least 70% from the line next year? |
Ignore his FT%!
His FT% is the least of his/ concerns as it relates to his FTs.
Worse than the FT% is the fact that he gets to the FT line at a HISTORICALLY bad rate. Lonzo got to the FT line 48(!!!) (bleep) times last year. FORTY EIGHT! FOUR EIGHT. CUARENTAyOCHO.
I think Harden had 48 by the end of the 3rd quarter of his 2nd game last year! |
🤣🤣🤣🤣 _________________ I just put my whole damn arm in the fridge
10 chains on Lucky Charms I'm the (bleep) |
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Dr. Laker Franchise Player
Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 17105
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:33 am Post subject: |
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We cannot continue to play 4-on-5 offensively, and who in their right minds wants him at the FT line late in a close game?
I think he has great vision on both ends of the court and All-D potential . . . but his poor shooting and inability to finish may ultimately relegate him to being a 2nd unit player. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns". |
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lakersboy Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:11 am Post subject: |
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The opinions expressed here are incredibly short sighted and lack the ability to perceive lessons learned from teams like Indiana and OKC.
Lonzo was beginning to improve his offensive flaws before his injury, and like Ingram and Kuzma, he needs time to gain his man strength which will stabilize his body, just like it did for Shaun Livingston. Unfortunately for Livingston, he was projected to be a star, but was so scrawny, he tore up his knee and the best part of his basketball future.
Anyone who ever paid attention to a child's growth can relate. It's summer time. Lonzo has no injuries. What do basketball players do when they get time? Those who are driven work to get better. Is he making rap videos all summer? With 5 healthy months to work on weaknesses including improving shooting, scoring opportunities and abilities, why should we not expect to see a better, more effective player next season? Do doubters know something the rest of us don't?
Someone mentioned Harden, the guy whose career is known for being worthless on D. In his one Final's appearance in OKC, he shot poorly and ownership didn't want to pay $4 mil in luxury tax for that guy. So he was traded for scraps, the most famous of which was Jeremy Lamb. Coincidentally, now that he has matured and gotten stronger, he's playing better D. Also, shaming/comparing a 2nd yr player for not getting to the ft line the way the seasoned vet does, who happens to be the best in the game at it, is just a cheap way to entertain yourself and those who buy into that reasoning. Keep laughing.
Kawhi and Giannis were defensive players who were undervalued at the draft but needed time to work, gain strength, and figure things out.
Indiana didn't have time to watch Kawhi grow because they were a pg away from competing with Miami. They made the "wise" choice to cut bait asap and trade the soon to be super star for George Hill. They lost to Lebron in 7, then their core, including PG13, split up. But at least they almost got there.
Sure, AD is a big name, but again we've learned nothing from history. Lebron is aging, AD wins nothing by himself and also has injury issues. But hey, we have assets to trade and have to make something happen, and it has to be right now. How does that work out historically?
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:46 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | It depends on what you get in return |
Exactly. And it always depends on the return. That does not mean we
should necessarily trade him or anyone else, but you always listen. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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LakersForever123 Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:47 am Post subject: |
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NBA Rumors: Kyrie Irving Signing Could Push Lakers To Trade Ball
By Ryan Joseph
May 24, 2019 06:00 PM
The Los Angeles Lakers have plenty of things to address this summer before making their move at top NBA free agents to fill in roster spots. The young core, led by Lonzo Ball, are expected to be back although there are some who believe that it may work to the best interest of the Lakers to trade away some of them. One player that comes to mind is Lonzo Ball.
According to Fansided, the Lakers may want to explore the market and see who would be interested in Lonzo Ball. The Chicago Bulls have been mentioned recently, a deal that would involve Kris Dunn the Chicago Sun-Times reported. Ball is oozing with potential although most feel that the Lakers can do better by using a marquee point guard. Kyrie Irving has been mentioned as a potential target and all that should bear fruit (or not) this coming summer.
If the Lakers do send away Ball, he would be another young guard Los Angeles has put to waste. Most know how the likes of D'Angelo Russell and Jordan Clarkson have improved when they moved to new teams and Ball is likely to do the same. One thing about his game is shooting, something that many feel needs to be addressed. He does make up for it with brilliant playmaking but the fact remains that there will be times where he will need to shoot the ball from the outside.
If the Lakers fail to land Irving, there are other names to consider. Among them include Kemba Walker, Ricky Rubio, Darren Collison, Terry Rozier, Patrick Beverly or Elfrid Payton. If they hold on to Ball this year, they could also try and make a go at Kyle Lowry or even Mike Conley. The Lakers do have options so expect coach Frank Vogel and general manager Rob Pelinka to study the possibilities.
Should Ball be let go, the Lakers can also shift their focus on Josh Hart. He is seen as the young player in the roster that complements LeBron James the most and he has also shown tremendous improvement on both ends from last season. He was also called upon to step up when Ball got injured although his efforts went for naught.
The numbers game could also come into play. Ball will be making $7 million this season and then $11 million the season after. After that (in James final year), he will no longer be affordable since he will no longer be on a rookie deal. Teams will likely offer him a ridiculous contract and the Lakers re-signing him would be a big question mark. |
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YSong Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Not really. Depends on who we get back. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:50 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand why people don't understand that Kyrie/Lonzo would be a great pairing. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:56 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't understand why people don't understand that Kyrie/Lonzo would be a great pairing. |
They're both PG's to the core. Yeah, you could shift Lonzo to the SG position
but he can't shoot.
I do agree I would not push a trade unless there was someone we should seriously
consider on the receiving end. Is Beal enough for us ? Do we get a starting PF? Don't
know, maybe we just pass and keep Lonzo...we'll see what Linda has cooked
up for us... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:59 am Post subject: |
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deal wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't understand why people don't understand that Kyrie/Lonzo would be a great pairing. |
They're both PG's to the core. Yeah, you could shift Lonzo to the SG position
but he can't shoot.
I do agree I would not push a trade unless there was someone we should seriously
consider on the receiving end. Is Beal enough for us ? Do we get a starting PF? Don't
know, maybe we just pass and keep Lonzo...we'll see what Linda has cooked
up for us... |
Lonzo would be our Draymond Green at the guard position. Do everything that Kyrie wouldn't do. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Trading Lonzo because of Kyrie would be a huge mistake. Lonzo would flourish next to two bonafide scorers. Some of these people literally have no clue when it comes to baskeball. |
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Pau Gasol's Beard Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo is a role player. Potentially a very good one but doubt he ever becomes a star. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: | Lonzo is a role player. Potentially a very good one but doubt he ever becomes a star. |
Was Andrei Kirilenko a star? _________________ Under New Management |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: | Lonzo is a role player. Potentially a very good one but doubt he ever becomes a star. |
That's my assessment as well, but he's so young he makes me pause and
I remain on the fence with regards to him.... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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LakersForever123 Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo's defense and playmaking is elite.
The issue is he can't shoot consistently. |
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lakerican Star Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: | Lonzo is a role player. Potentially a very good one but doubt he ever becomes a star. |
Was Andrei Kirilenko a star? |
Is Draymond Green a star? |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: |
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LakersForever123 wrote: | Lonzo's defense and playmaking is elite.
The issue is he can't shoot consistently. |
And when he's shooting 37% from 3 and 75% from the FT line then what?
Are we just going to keep trading low and letting assets leave? |
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