Adam Silver going on TV and defending Jeannie seems weird. Even weirder was him confirming that Rich Paul story about Walton. Why?
Silver is just doing a bunch of interviews in conjunction with the start of the finals. He's answering all sorts of questions, some of which are related to the Lakers.
What about the reports of Rich Paul on charter planes? Kurt and Pelinka sitting in on coaches/players meetings? Those things were highlighted as very unusual if not outright forbidden on other teams. How about Rob going against his scouting department--the one proven commodity in our organization--because of a convo with Josh Hart, then deflecting blame on Josh Hart? How is any of that "business as usual"? There's really nothing that could have been reported here that would give you guys pause huh?
Being tied with the franchise most identified with dysfunction (NYK) for most losses in the NBA since Jeanie took over you'd think would be an indicator that the franchise is dysfunctional, but just like the Knicks, this is just a classic case of the media making up lies about a big market team when the truth is they are just as competent as all the other franchises making the postseason year after year instead of constantly humiliating themselves in the press year after year. Nothing to see here.
Nothing in there that hasn't been reported on other teams. RP rode on all of the CAVS charters and Morey sits in on team meetings in HOU all the time.
As for the overruling of scouts:
1 - Laker scout Ron Harper had Leandro Barbosa at the top of the board in 2003 . . . and Mitch drafted Brian Cook.
2 - Laker scout Jerry West had Sidney Moncrief at the top of the board because he was the safe pick, but Bill Sharman drafted Magic.
From West's autobiography:
Quote:
In [West] taking on a personnel role with the Lakers in 1979, the Lakers had the first pick in the NBA draft and it came down sophomore Magic Johnson out of Michigan State and Arkansas' Sidney Moncrief...
"West could easily see that Moncrief was destined to be an outstanding NBA guard. Johnson, on the other hand, was something of an odd duck..
...Johnson handled the ball in extraordinary but unorthodox fashion, but he was far from polished. Moncrief was a much safer pick...
...I thought he would be a very good player, West said of Johnson. I had no idea he would get to the level that he did. No idea...
The only difference between the Lakers' FO and others is the spotlight.
There are other things at stake that likely fuel this story, but let's be clear . . . if this stuff is happening with the Indiana Pacers, OKC Thunder, Denver Nuggets, etc., ESPN doesn't even bother to cover it.
But it isn’t happening to those organizations. It isn’t happening to the Clippers, or the Kings. Things have been in a downward spiral since Jeanie Buss was put in charge of the organization. Deflect all you want, but this has gone from one of the top run organizations in the league to one of the worst. And that isn’t even factoring in the play on the floor.
This and we do hear about issues in other FOs. ESPN did a piece on the Suns and the dysfunction under Sarver a few months ago. Donald Sterling kept the Clippers in the headlines for a long time. The Mavs sexual misconduct was front page ESPN news. Best way to prevent negative headlines is not to do stuff that will generate negative headlines.
Adam Silver going on TV and defending Jeannie seems weird. Even weirder was him confirming that Rich Paul story about Walton. Why?
Silver is just doing a bunch of interviews in conjunction with the start of the finals. He's answering all sorts of questions, some of which are related to the Lakers.
Of course the fact that Silver backs up Jeanie as a competent owner, shows confidence in Lakers getting it together and all but confirms that LBJ got Luke out. I dunno how fans still don't see that it's not all black and white with the Lakers.
They sit in a pretty good spot, but they've got to get their act together. Lebron really needs to step up, both his recruiting game and also his game on the court next season to justify his downsides (such as having to deal with his posse of Rich Paul).
Pelinka is a used car salesman in a $3K suit, Earvin Johnson is a tyrant but Magic is a sweetheart, Klutch sports is the equivalent of the Russian FSB, Jeannie Buss has been hypnotized by the Rambii and Kobe may or may not have had lunch with a dead guy. The staff are all on percs and xanax and Lebron is standing there saying " It's fine, we are fine" .
This is better than the SNL skit " the Californians"
Adam Silver going on TV and defending Jeannie seems weird. Even weirder was him confirming that Rich Paul story about Walton. Why?
Silver is just doing a bunch of interviews in conjunction with the start of the finals. He's answering all sorts of questions, some of which are related to the Lakers.
Of course the fact that Silver backs up Jeanie as a competent owner, shows confidence in Lakers getting it together and all but confirms that LBJ got Luke out. .
It's hard to imagine many situations where Silver wouldn't back up an NBA owner as being competent. Seemed like a routine statement to me.
I'd say his statement confirms that Rich Paul complained about Luke and wanted him fired. Whether Lebron was the one who pushed him out is anyone's guess.
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
The reason we stopped winning is because the entire team realized they were nothing but pawns meant to be sacrificed for the king.
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 10:53 am Post subject:
trablos wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Adam Silver going on TV and defending Jeannie seems weird. Even weirder was him confirming that Rich Paul story about Walton. Why?
Silver is just doing a bunch of interviews in conjunction with the start of the finals. He's answering all sorts of questions, some of which are related to the Lakers.
Seems pretty easy to "no comment" with a word salad of nothing. Went out of his way to defend Jeannie citing the legacy of the Buss family. I think Jeannie has proven she's bad at this, so to hear the commissioner go out of his way to defend her and say she'll turn it around, when there's nothing to suggest that is true and it's clear she's bad at this, did not inspire confidence.
We need to stop defending Jeanie and this FO using Whataboutisms. Over the last 6+ years we have the worst record in the NBA and now it has been revealed how dysfunctional and poorly run the organization is there is no defending that. The results aren't there and the process has been atrocious. That falls directly on Jeanie.
Adam Silver going on TV and defending Jeannie seems weird. Even weirder was him confirming that Rich Paul story about Walton. Why?
Silver is just doing a bunch of interviews in conjunction with the start of the finals. He's answering all sorts of questions, some of which are related to the Lakers.
Of course the fact that Silver backs up Jeanie as a competent owner, shows confidence in Lakers getting it together and all but confirms that LBJ got Luke out. I dunno how fans still don't see that it's not all black and white with the Lakers.
They sit in a pretty good spot, but they've got to get their act together. Lebron really needs to step up, both his recruiting game and also his game on the court next season to justify his downsides (such as having to deal with his posse of Rich Paul).
You considered that comment by Adam Silver a vote of confidence? _________________ "You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you"
Nick Wright think Luke Walton & Coaching Staff might be the "anonymous sources" being quoted in this article. Makes sense TBH, they were the only ones who it didn't address. I'd be disappointed in them if it's true, you never bite the hand that feeds (or fed) you.
THE HERD - Nick Wright isn't buying Lakers dysfunction report:
What about the reports of Rich Paul on charter planes? Kurt and Pelinka sitting in on coaches/players meetings? Those things were highlighted as very unusual if not outright forbidden on other teams. How about Rob going against his scouting department--the one proven commodity in our organization--because of a convo with Josh Hart, then deflecting blame on Josh Hart? How is any of that "business as usual"? There's really nothing that could have been reported here that would give you guys pause huh?
Being tied with the franchise most identified with dysfunction (NYK) for most losses in the NBA since Jeanie took over you'd think would be an indicator that the franchise is dysfunctional, but just like the Knicks, this is just a classic case of the media making up lies about a big market team when the truth is they are just as competent as all the other franchises making the postseason year after year instead of constantly humiliating themselves in the press year after year. Nothing to see here.
Nothing in there that hasn't been reported on other teams. RP rode on all of the CAVS charters and Morey sits in on team meetings in HOU all the time.
As for the overruling of scouts:
1 - Laker scout Ron Harper had Leandro Barbosa at the top of the board in 2003 . . . and Mitch drafted Brian Cook.
2 - Laker scout Jerry West had Sidney Moncrief at the top of the board because he was the safe pick, but Bill Sharman drafted Magic.
From West's autobiography:
Quote:
In [West] taking on a personnel role with the Lakers in 1979, the Lakers had the first pick in the NBA draft and it came down sophomore Magic Johnson out of Michigan State and Arkansas' Sidney Moncrief...
"West could easily see that Moncrief was destined to be an outstanding NBA guard. Johnson, on the other hand, was something of an odd duck..
...Johnson handled the ball in extraordinary but unorthodox fashion, but he was far from polished. Moncrief was a much safer pick...
...I thought he would be a very good player, West said of Johnson. I had no idea he would get to the level that he did. No idea...
The only difference between the Lakers' FO and others is the spotlight.
There are other things at stake that likely fuel this story, but let's be clear . . . if this stuff is happening with the Indiana Pacers, OKC Thunder, Denver Nuggets, etc., ESPN doesn't even bother to cover it.
But it isn’t happening to those organizations. It isn’t happening to the Clippers, or the Kings. Things have been in a downward spiral since Jeanie Buss was put in charge of the organization. Deflect all you want, but this has gone from one of the top run organizations in the league to one of the worst. And that isn’t even factoring in the play on the floor.
This and we do hear about issues in other FOs. ESPN did a piece on the Suns and the dysfunction under Sarver a few months ago. Donald Sterling kept the Clippers in the headlines for a long time. The Mavs sexual misconduct was front page ESPN news. Best way to prevent negative headlines is not to do stuff that will generate negative headlines.
If you add up all the clickable links on ESPN's NBA Home Page
(if both TOR/GSW are mentioned in the headline then 0.5 for each, iconic past players also are assigned to their key franchise i.e Michael Jordan = CHI)
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse.
The team was dysfunctual when Jim was around too. This isn't a problem that just started a year or two ago.
If anything, I'd say Jerry Buss set up the dysfunction.
Personally, I don’t care if she goes “against her father’s wishes.” Jerry’s been dead for six years; you can’t run a basketball team from the grave.
If you add up all the clickable links on ESPN's NBA Home Page
(if both TOR/GSW are mentioned in the headline then 0.5 for each, iconic past players also are assigned to their key franchise i.e Michael Jordan = CHI)
If you add up all the clickable links on ESPN's NBA Home Page
(if both TOR/GSW are mentioned in the headline then 0.5 for each, iconic past players also are assigned to their key franchise i.e Michael Jordan = CHI)
PS I was bored and saw so many Lakers links, I had to count them.
But look at it in context. It's right before the finals, and there really isn't anything going on with any teams other than GS and Toronto.
All the links about the Lakers are in some way related to the big story ESPN just ran about the team, so it's not surprising that they are so dominate.
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse.
The team was dysfunctual when Jim was around too. This isn't a problem that just started a year or two ago.
If anything, I'd say Jerry Buss set up the dysfunction.
That's a good point. Jim and Mitch may have been able to work around the existing dysfunction seeing as they were groomed by Jerry Buss and Jerry West to take over, and knew more about the basketball operations side of the fence at the Lakers because of their higher level of involvement... but that doesn't mean the dysfunction didn't exist while they were here or even from before their time, as you've pointed out.
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse.
The team was dysfunctual when Jim was around too. This isn't a problem that just started a year or two ago.
If anything, I'd say Jerry Buss set up the dysfunction.
That's a good point. Jim and Mitch may have been able to work around the existing dysfunction seeing as they were groomed by Jerry Buss and Jerry West to take over, and knew more about the basketball operations side of the fence at the Lakers because of their higher level of involvement... but that doesn't mean the dysfunction didn't exist while they were here or even from before their time, as you've pointed out.
My feeling is the Lakers have always been dysfunctional. In the 80s, Magic got the coach fired. Kobe-Shaq-Phil were a three-ring circus. The difference before was the drama was accompanied by winning so no one cared.
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:45 pm Post subject:
activeverb wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
trablos wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse.
The team was dysfunctual when Jim was around too. This isn't a problem that just started a year or two ago.
If anything, I'd say Jerry Buss set up the dysfunction.
That's a good point. Jim and Mitch may have been able to work around the existing dysfunction seeing as they were groomed by Jerry Buss and Jerry West to take over, and knew more about the basketball operations side of the fence at the Lakers because of their higher level of involvement... but that doesn't mean the dysfunction didn't exist while they were here or even from before their time, as you've pointed out.
My feeling is the Lakers have always been dysfunctional. In the 80s, Magic got the coach fired. Kobe-Shaq-Phil were a three-ring circus. The difference before was the drama was accompanied by winning so no one cared.
I feel like the front office started becoming dysfunctional in the late 90s when Jim Buss was given more responsibility and Jerry West started talking about leaving. Imo Phil kept things together with his influence and clout, and those 5 rings masked how much things were devolving upstairs during that time. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144464 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:52 pm Post subject:
activeverb wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
trablos wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse.
The team was dysfunctual when Jim was around too. This isn't a problem that just started a year or two ago.
If anything, I'd say Jerry Buss set up the dysfunction.
Personally, I don’t care if she goes “against her father’s wishes.” Jerry’s been dead for six years; you can’t run a basketball team from the grave.
I have to agree, and the common denominator is Jeanie. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144464 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 4:55 pm Post subject:
activeverb wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
trablos wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse.
The team was dysfunctual when Jim was around too. This isn't a problem that just started a year or two ago.
If anything, I'd say Jerry Buss set up the dysfunction.
That's a good point. Jim and Mitch may have been able to work around the existing dysfunction seeing as they were groomed by Jerry Buss and Jerry West to take over, and knew more about the basketball operations side of the fence at the Lakers because of their higher level of involvement... but that doesn't mean the dysfunction didn't exist while they were here or even from before their time, as you've pointed out.
My feeling is the Lakers have always been dysfunctional. In the 80s, Magic got the coach fired. Kobe-Shaq-Phil were a three-ring circus. The difference before was the drama was accompanied by winning so no one cared.
Disagree, the organization had a successful, sound and consistent structure up until Dr. Buss couldn’t run it anymore. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 5:07 pm Post subject:
venturalakersfan wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
trablos wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
King Randle wrote:
Wait until we have a good draft and then sign a top notch free agent...all this ridiculous noise will stop and we can focus on basketball.
Right, we got a top FA last offseason and the noise became a deafening thunderclap.
There wasnt a peep about drama or "dysfunction" until the AD rumors started swirling. In fact there wasn't even anything negative about the Lakers until about December 25th. Winning cures all.
There has been dysfunction since Jeanie decided that she should go against her father’s wishes and took over control of basketball operations. It’s just that some of us recognized it sooner than others did. And considering that not everything has been made public, it could be worse.
The team was dysfunctual when Jim was around too. This isn't a problem that just started a year or two ago.
If anything, I'd say Jerry Buss set up the dysfunction.
That's a good point. Jim and Mitch may have been able to work around the existing dysfunction seeing as they were groomed by Jerry Buss and Jerry West to take over, and knew more about the basketball operations side of the fence at the Lakers because of their higher level of involvement... but that doesn't mean the dysfunction didn't exist while they were here or even from before their time, as you've pointed out.
My feeling is the Lakers have always been dysfunctional. In the 80s, Magic got the coach fired. Kobe-Shaq-Phil were a three-ring circus. The difference before was the drama was accompanied by winning so no one cared.
Disagree, the organization had a successful, sound and consistent structure up until Dr. Buss couldn’t run it anymore.
They always were the kings of drama. Doc Buss hired two head coaches in one press conference once!
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