if We’re going on skill, measurements, age, potential, injury history I kinda think it’s reddish hands down.
6’8 SG with a 7’ wingspan is elite at that position. Even if he’s thrown into the G-league to develop for the next couple of seasons I think it’s worth the investment long term. That’s if the were not trading the pic.
Sorry but the kid just passes the eye test. Sometimes numbers lie, and I believe that’s the case with Cam Reddish this past season. He was used in a role that doesn’t show his skillset and forced him into a spot up shooter. I really think he would be the consensus # 2 pick if he wasn’t playing for duke.
I really like him more than Zion too if were talking about how the players project.
Will he take time to develop? Probably, but this will likely be our last top pick for a while because we’re competing for chips for the next few seasons. This kid would have the luxury of developing without the pressure.
If you like a small guard who can shoot and get buckets just buy a second round pick and draft Carson Edwards. He likely has the same NBA ceiling as garland. Look around the NBA man and understand how special you have to be to be a starting point guard in the NBA.
Compare garland against that. He ain’t guarding none of them that’s for sure...he ain’t better than any of the recent point guard prospects that have been drafted at the top of the draft.
Lonzo? Will lock him up
Russell? Drop 30 on his lil ass easy
Fox? No chance
Simmons? U serious?
Trey young? Does what he does but much better
And these are just the young guards in this league
I honestly don’t even know if JA is worth a top pick in this draft but at least he has the athleticism and aggressiveness. We see what that did for AI and Westbrook.
Now, look around the NBA at the SG position. Doesn’t it seem more likely to find a above average talent at SG if they have all the measurements? We got Kobe Bryant in LA send Cam over there.
Sorry but you gotta be able to do something special in this league if you wanna stand out. These guards ain’t it...they’ll get they dropped off in the nba.
I’ll take Cam please. Next top tier SG and there ain’t too many guys in the league in his way.
meh... if he cant succeed with Zion and Barrett taking all the attention away from him it doesnt look good at all of what would happen if defenses schemed again him _________________ (bleep) Kawhi
if We’re going on skill, measurements, age, potential, injury history I kinda think it’s reddish hands down.
6’8 SG with a 7’ wingspan is elite at that position. Even if he’s thrown into the G-league to develop for the next couple of seasons I think it’s worth the investment long term. That’s if the were not trading the pic.
Sorry but the kid just passes the eye test. Sometimes numbers lie, and I believe that’s the case with Cam Reddish this past season. He was used in a role that doesn’t show his skillset and forced him into a spot up shooter. I really think he would be the consensus # 2 pick if he wasn’t playing for duke.
I really like him more than Zion too if were talking about how the players project.
Will he take time to develop? Probably, but this will likely be our last top pick for a while because we’re competing for chips for the next few seasons. This kid would have the luxury of developing without the pressure.
If you like a small guard who can shoot and get buckets just buy a second round pick and draft Carson Edwards. He likely has the same NBA ceiling as garland. Look around the NBA man and understand how special you have to be to be a starting point guard in the NBA.
Compare garland against that. He ain’t guarding none of them that’s for sure...he ain’t better than any of the recent point guard prospects that have been drafted at the top of the draft.
Lonzo? Will lock him up
Russell? Drop 30 on his lil ass easy
Fox? No chance
Simmons? U serious?
Trey young? Does what he does but much better
And these are just the young guards in this league
I honestly don’t even know if JA is worth a top pick in this draft but at least he has the athleticism and aggressiveness. We see what that did for AI and Westbrook.
Now, look around the NBA at the SG position. Doesn’t it seem more likely to find a above average talent at SG if they have all the measurements? We got Kobe Bryant in LA send Cam over there.
Sorry but you gotta be able to do something special in this league if you wanna stand out. These guards ain’t it...they’ll get they dropped off in the nba.
I’ll take Cam please. Next top tier SG and there ain’t too many guys in the league in his way.
meh... if he cant succeed with Zion and Barrett taking all the attention away from him it doesnt look good at all of what would happen if defenses schemed again him
Paint is always clogged all season long because the other team was more focused on stoping Zion and RJ. He will have a lot more space to operate in the NBA. I’m sure it was frustrating for him this past season tbh...half his game was taken away, what else can he do but settle for long jumpers or barrel into the paint.
He would look better in a bigger role and with better spacing. _________________ “like I never left”
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:08 am Post subject:
PICKnPOP wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
PICKnPOP wrote:
if We’re going on skill, measurements, age, potential, injury history I kinda think it’s reddish hands down.
6’8 SG with a 7’ wingspan is elite at that position. Even if he’s thrown into the G-league to develop for the next couple of seasons I think it’s worth the investment long term. That’s if the were not trading the pic.
Sorry but the kid just passes the eye test. Sometimes numbers lie, and I believe that’s the case with Cam Reddish this past season. He was used in a role that doesn’t show his skillset and forced him into a spot up shooter. I really think he would be the consensus # 2 pick if he wasn’t playing for duke.
I really like him more than Zion too if were talking about how the players project.
Will he take time to develop? Probably, but this will likely be our last top pick for a while because we’re competing for chips for the next few seasons. This kid would have the luxury of developing without the pressure.
If you like a small guard who can shoot and get buckets just buy a second round pick and draft Carson Edwards. He likely has the same NBA ceiling as garland. Look around the NBA man and understand how special you have to be to be a starting point guard in the NBA.
Compare garland against that. He ain’t guarding none of them that’s for sure...he ain’t better than any of the recent point guard prospects that have been drafted at the top of the draft.
Lonzo? Will lock him up
Russell? Drop 30 on his lil ass easy
Fox? No chance
Simmons? U serious?
Trey young? Does what he does but much better
And these are just the young guards in this league
I honestly don’t even know if JA is worth a top pick in this draft but at least he has the athleticism and aggressiveness. We see what that did for AI and Westbrook.
Now, look around the NBA at the SG position. Doesn’t it seem more likely to find a above average talent at SG if they have all the measurements? We got Kobe Bryant in LA send Cam over there.
Sorry but you gotta be able to do something special in this league if you wanna stand out. These guards ain’t it...they’ll get they dropped off in the nba.
I’ll take Cam please. Next top tier SG and there ain’t too many guys in the league in his way.
meh... if he cant succeed with Zion and Barrett taking all the attention away from him it doesnt look good at all of what would happen if defenses schemed again him
Paint is always clogged all season long because the other team was more focused on stoping Zion and RJ. He will have a lot more space to operate in the NBA. I’m sure it was frustrating for him this past season tbh...half his game was taken away, what else can he do but settle for long jumpers or barrel into the paint.
He would look better in a bigger role and with better spacing.
So basically not with the Lakers. _________________ I just put my whole damn arm in the fridge
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:15 am Post subject:
LKA wrote:
PICKnPOP wrote:
Paint is always clogged all season long because the other team was more focused on stoping Zion and RJ. He will have a lot more space to operate in the NBA. I’m sure it was frustrating for him this past season tbh...half his game was taken away, what else can he do but settle for long jumpers or barrel into the paint.
He would look better in a bigger role and with better spacing.
So basically not with the Lakers.
Lol I was thinking the same thing, LKA. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
I like this guys beeakdown. He sees the same thing I see in garland at least
Check it out
Good video but i disagree with him saying he's not like Kyrie. Maybe his dribbling isnt on the same level but this kid has street baller dna in him and makes crazy plays with the ball in his hand
Surprised So many on the Garland train. So little out there on him - and what there is, it's not exactly against stellar competition.
A lot of disappointed LG fans if we pass on him. No love for Hayes on our board _________________ “God knew they couldn’t be on this Earth without each other. He had to bring them home to have them together.” – Vanessa Bryant
I'm between Garland and Culver. I'm not a believer in Culver's offensive upside (I think he has great defensive upside). We've seen very little Garland, but in theory, his game sounds great, shooter, can shoot it off the dribble and stretch the defense (like Steph and Lillard, potentially).
Hunter. NBA ready body, length, not scared of big moments, and can never have too many wing defenders.
I think they'll take him if they have no hopes among themselves of acquiring Kawhi. He's got large winspan and big hands, plays both ends, suitable shot. If they do think they have Kawhi, I think they'd take Garland to play at 1/2, makes up for Lonzo's shooting and can reduce his minutes and/or the pressure of carrying up the ball every trip. Zo falls prey to calf/knee probs after he spends 3-5 games playing demonstrably hard for 40+ mins.
I think either Hunter or Garland would fill needs, but that's not saying much. Bol Bol could fit needs too. We got needs all over the damn place. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
I don't care about who's the pick as long as the process used is justifiable.
Remember when we passed up on okafor because he failed a second workout after being dominated by a nobody?
That's what I want to hear when selecting the pick. I don't want to hear statements like magic/rob going to lonzo's place for a 2nd workout by themselves or rob bypassing the scouts because of comments said by josh hart as justification for the selection.
I'm not into names because the scouts are more than capable of picking someone out of left field even with a high pick. They've earned the benefit of the doubt as long as they get to do their jobs.
The Atlanta trade is where I'm at, and Hunter could still be there at 8. Even if you call it a risk I'll take BPA at 8 since prospects 4 thru 8 are ranked so close anyway...plus you get the 10 pick.
You Garland by a landslide guys have to sell me on him to turn down that deal. I want to believe he has the goods to be the a great threat at PG, and I may take him if there is no trade down, but sell me.
I trust LA's scouting to do well with 10. Rui has the best goods, Hayes would be a solid tandem 5 with Javale and Wagner...and I have a bias for Clarke as a really productive defender. If the staff sees one of the scratch offs like Bol or Sekou as a better pick so be it.
The Atlanta trade is where I'm at, and Hunter could still be there at 8. Even if you call it a risk I'll take BPA at 8 since prospects 4 thru 8 are ranked so close anyway...plus you get the 10 pick.
You Garland by a landslide guys have to sell me on him to turn down that deal. I want to believe he has the goods to be the a great threat at PG, and I may take him if there is no trade down, but sell me.
I trust LA's scouting to do well with 10. Rui has the best goods, Hayes would be a solid tandem 5 with Javale and Wagner...and I have a bias for Clarke as a really productive defender. If the staff sees one of the scratch offs like Bol or Sekou as a better pick so be it.
I would love the trade down. I think it should be there for us. It really depends on how much the Knicks value Barrett. But if it plays out, fill in the blanks for us.
The Atlanta trade is where I'm at, and Hunter could still be there at 8. Even if you call it a risk I'll take BPA at 8 since prospects 4 thru 8 are ranked so close anyway...plus you get the 10 pick.
You Garland by a landslide guys have to sell me on him to turn down that deal. I want to believe he has the goods to be the a great threat at PG, and I may take him if there is no trade down, but sell me.
I trust LA's scouting to do well with 10. Rui has the best goods, Hayes would be a solid tandem 5 with Javale and Wagner...and I have a bias for Clarke as a really productive defender. If the staff sees one of the scratch offs like Bol or Sekou as a better pick so be it.
I would love the trade down. I think it should be there for us. It really depends on how much the Knicks value Barrett. But if it plays out, fill in the blanks for us.
Zion - Pels
Ja - Grizz
RJ - Knicks
DG - Hawks
? - Cleveland
? - Suns
? - Bulls
? - Lakers
? - Wiz
? - Lakers
A lot of the mocks are actually similar in that range.
Cleveland has their PG but so unless they strictly go BPA, I think it is Reddish over Hunter here because of his upside.
The Suns run the card up for Garland and Bulls take Coby White, if White drops to 8 then LA still gets good value. The Wiz are wildcards, I'm guessing Rui at 9.
The Atlanta trade is where I'm at, and Hunter could still be there at 8. Even if you call it a risk I'll take BPA at 8 since prospects 4 thru 8 are ranked so close anyway...plus you get the 10 pick.
You Garland by a landslide guys have to sell me on him to turn down that deal. I want to believe he has the goods to be the a great threat at PG, and I may take him if there is no trade down, but sell me.
I trust LA's scouting to do well with 10. Rui has the best goods, Hayes would be a solid tandem 5 with Javale and Wagner...and I have a bias for Clarke as a really productive defender. If the staff sees one of the scratch offs like Bol or Sekou as a better pick so be it.
I would love the trade down. I think it should be there for us. It really depends on how much the Knicks value Barrett. But if it plays out, fill in the blanks for us.
Zion - Pels
Ja - Grizz
RJ - Knicks
DG - Hawks
? - Cleveland
? - Suns
? - Bulls
? - Lakers
? - Wiz
? - Lakers
Considering 11 overall is where we should be, not too shabby. This is assuming Pels ransack the Boston pantry, AD is dealt, and Kyrie keeps his promise to TD Garden. Where does that leave KD if Kawhi reups in Toronto and Dubs maintain Splash Bros? Could we be entering the KD sweepstakes, and how bad is the injury? I’m hoping these are scenarios that Pelinka is whiteboarding. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL
The Atlanta trade is where I'm at, and Hunter could still be there at 8. Even if you call it a risk I'll take BPA at 8 since prospects 4 thru 8 are ranked so close anyway...plus you get the 10 pick.
You Garland by a landslide guys have to sell me on him to turn down that deal. I want to believe he has the goods to be the a great threat at PG, and I may take him if there is no trade down, but sell me.
I trust LA's scouting to do well with 10. Rui has the best goods, Hayes would be a solid tandem 5 with Javale and Wagner...and I have a bias for Clarke as a really productive defender. If the staff sees one of the scratch offs like Bol or Sekou as a better pick so be it.
I would love the trade down. I think it should be there for us. It really depends on how much the Knicks value Barrett. But if it plays out, fill in the blanks for us.
Zion - Pels
Ja - Grizz
RJ - Knicks
DG - Hawks
? - Cleveland
? - Suns
? - Bulls
? - Lakers
? - Wiz
? - Lakers
I think everybody who wants to trade down is missing one really big issue. CAP SPACE.
If we want to offer the 32.7 max we cannot trade down as it would take too much space up and we could no longer offer anybody the max. I think that's a no trade possibility unfortunately as 2 picks would have been nice.
I hope they just pick the player that Jesse, Joey, Ryan West and the scouting department have ranked as the bpa. I'm fine with whoever that is since I'm not spending much time watching any of these prospects.
The Atlanta trade is where I'm at, and Hunter could still be there at 8. Even if you call it a risk I'll take BPA at 8 since prospects 4 thru 8 are ranked so close anyway...plus you get the 10 pick.
You Garland by a landslide guys have to sell me on him to turn down that deal. I want to believe he has the goods to be the a great threat at PG, and I may take him if there is no trade down, but sell me.
I trust LA's scouting to do well with 10. Rui has the best goods, Hayes would be a solid tandem 5 with Javale and Wagner...and I have a bias for Clarke as a really productive defender. If the staff sees one of the scratch offs like Bol or Sekou as a better pick so be it.
I would love the trade down. I think it should be there for us. It really depends on how much the Knicks value Barrett. But if it plays out, fill in the blanks for us.
Zion - Pels
Ja - Grizz
RJ - Knicks
DG - Hawks
? - Cleveland
? - Suns
? - Bulls
? - Lakers
? - Wiz
? - Lakers
I think everybody who wants to trade down is missing one really big issue. CAP SPACE.
If we want to offer the 32.7 max we cannot trade down as it would take too much space up and we could no longer offer anybody the max. I think that's a no trade possibility unfortunately as 2 picks would have been nice.
Is Pelinka anchored to Magic’s two max plan? I mean that is the goal, but say KD, Klay, and Kawhi are all off the table. Do you max Kyrie? Do you get in a bidding war with the Sixers over Butler to satisfy fans who were weened on the two max plan.
This is the power of the GM; to deem who is worth offering a max contract. Moreover, imagine trading down for 8 and 10, utilizing the 8 for a pick for your team and trading the 10 for future picks.
This is the kind of foresight we need our GM to have. To play 3D chess and to maximize the value of a lucky draw like a 4th over all. To know the intentions of the max pool prior to the draft, so he knows what money to take into account going into the draft. Its about collaborating with your scouts on draft strategy, then formulating a layered plan leading up to draft night.
It’s why I’m hoping all these topics of the draft on LG are being ignored by Pelinka. I know Jerry West doesn’t read this crap. He’s too busy formulating what he thinks is right. And that’s all you can ask of your GM. If Pelinka is on these boards at this time (28 days before the draft), he needs to focus on his plan. None of these LG posters should be more knowledgeable than the GM; although we all like to think we are. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL
Lakers need shooting, Garland would be the best available shooter....the D thing is so overblown, there are very few individual lock down defenders in the league....in addition to shooting Garland brings a lot in his Offensive toolkit, especially in the half court where he can create off his dribble, which we also severely lacked last year outside of LeBron.
I'd like Hunter and Culver as well, but I can definitely see why the Lakers might take Garland if they keep the pick
You couldn't be more wrong IMO, defense is as important as it's always been. GSW hasn't won 3 of the last 4 purely through shooting but because they are also a team that plays good + smart defense, among other things.
Btw, nobody is saying Garland needs to be an individual lock down defender... but he must not be a liability and must be able to at least make things difficult for his opposing number.
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