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The God Particle
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| Car54 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: | So with some of the latest thread discussions we have:
-More Garland talk at 4
-Butler as a likely Laker commit, Kyrie possibly to Brooklyn
-AD trade timing has always been an issue
If James knows he has Butler and his Klutch guy Garland to mentor, they're a 50 win team and still have all their pieces for another deal. It doesn't have to be for AD, but this is a nice plug and play roster short term while they line up for a guy like KAT
Ball/Ingram/Butler/James/McGee gives you balance
Garland & Kuz are a dynamic bench duo with Hart & Wagner as spot up threats. You would stagger minutes:
Ball 28/Garland 20
Ingram 28/Ball 6/Hart 14
Butler 34/James 14
James 18/Kuzma 30
McGee 24/Wagner 16/vet min banger 8 |
I like that team but would make a couple of changes.
I'd try and get either Millsap or Morris and have them start at PF. I don't want LeBron getting worn down next season battling bigger players and missing games. We need him to stay healthy next year.
BI I feel would be better suited coming off the bench where he can have the ball in his hands more and create for himself and others. Most championship teams have a good 6th man (Odom, Ginobili, Iggy, etc.) and he could still finish games and play starters minutes and have a huge impact.
Round off the roster with a couple of smart experienced veterans like Chandler and Ellington and we can make a deep playoff run.
Zo/BI/Caruso
Butler/Garland/Ellington
LeBron/Hart/Bonga
Millsap/Kuzma/Williams
McGee/Wagner/Chandler |
Much better |
BI will be the back up PG and coming off the bench? Someone done lost their mind... |
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| Inverse wrote: | Count me in on the Butler train
G: Lonzo Ball
G. Jimmy Butler
F: Brandon Ingram
F: LeBron James
C: Brooke Lopez 🙏🏼
Bench:
G: Darius Garland
G: Josh Hart
F: Reggie Bullock
F: Kyle Kuzma
: Mo Wagner
Who beats that team in the west next year? Don’t see anyone. Even if clips land Kawhi. This is the best strategy for both short and long term success |
Defensively... top 5. Offensively top 5. 3pt shooting looking like weakness.
Still... I'm onboard with this roster.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| M2K wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | Count me in on the Butler train
G: Lonzo Ball
G. Jimmy Butler
F: Brandon Ingram
F: LeBron James
C: Brooke Lopez 🙏🏼
Bench:
G: Darius Garland
G: Josh Hart
F: Reggie Bullock
F: Kyle Kuzma
: Mo Wagner
Who beats that team in the west next year? Don’t see anyone. Even if clips land Kawhi. This is the best strategy for both short and long term success |
Defensively... top 5. Offensively top 5. 3pt shooting looking like weakness.
Still... I'm onboard with this roster. |
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Kuzma ends the season as a starter and Ingram gets dealt.
Lonzo
Butler
LeBron
Kuzma
Lopez
That makes more sense. No more LeBron at PF unless we get Kawhi...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Inverse wrote: | Count me in on the Butler train
G: Lonzo Ball
G. Jimmy Butler
F: Brandon Ingram
F: LeBron James
C: Brooke Lopez 🙏🏼
Bench:
G: Darius Garland
G: Josh Hart
F: Reggie Bullock
F: Kyle Kuzma
: Mo Wagner
Who beats that team in the west next year? Don’t see anyone. Even if clips land Kawhi. This is the best strategy for both short and long term success |
Love that bench depth. A tidbit that the LBJ + AD = championship on 3! crowd seem to willfully ignore. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| panamaniac wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | Count me in on the Butler train
G: Lonzo Ball
G. Jimmy Butler
F: Brandon Ingram
F: LeBron James
C: Brooke Lopez 🙏🏼
Bench:
G: Darius Garland
G: Josh Hart
F: Reggie Bullock
F: Kyle Kuzma
: Mo Wagner
Who beats that team in the west next year? Don’t see anyone. Even if clips land Kawhi. This is the best strategy for both short and long term success |
Love that bench depth. A tidbit that the LBJ + AD = championship on 3! crowd seem to willfully ignore. |
If you have LBJ and AD, great bench players will come to play for free.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems like Butler is our best bet... which isn’t bad at all because he would be a excellent 3rd guy to LeBron and AD. |
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GameCock-MD
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Only problem I have with that is Butler doesn't actually solve our 3pt shooting problems...right?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Depth and longevity, keep the damn core. AD will come in 2020, go after butler |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| GameCock-MD wrote: | | Only problem I have with that is Butler doesn't actually solve our 3pt shooting problems...right? |
Raptors shot 35% from 3 for the Finals.
If you have an elite defense, you don't need to be the Splash brothers from 3.
Zo, Jimmy, BI on the perimeter is tops in the league. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| If we get Butler, trade only 2 of our young core for AD, AND keep the #4 pick ... |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Butler as always is using Lakers to get Max from his current team |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | Butler as always is using Lakers to get Max from his current team |
Completely agree with that. |
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KingKobe20
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| Runway8 wrote: | | Butler is 30 by training camp. Numbers on downwards trajectory. Not a great 3 pt shooter. I'm not feeling it, AD/Bron/Butler feels similar to Joel/Simmons/Butler, but Bron shoots way more than Simmons. Butler will have career lows, and trade value further diminishing should we want to move him. |
Ben doesn’t impose any threat 5 feet away from the basket. The Lebron comparisons are the most ridiculous out there.
Joel and AD neutralize each other. While in the short amount of head to head battles they’ve had, Joel’s number have been better. I’d still like AD’s chances with Lebron setting him up.
Jimmy turning 30 doesn’t scare me for the foreseeable future on terms of maintaining his high performance play. Especially teaming up with a healthy and motivated 35 year old Lebron. The next two seasons would be it. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Article is from January |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm fine with Jimmy if we can keep our YUTES and have a DEEP roster.
But they probably swing for AD if they get Jimmy. I can understand and be down for that too. |
I would really hate to swing for AD. I've got zero confidence in roster construction if AD is acquired.
I totally believe just getting Jimmy Butler + healthy team + smart MLE utilization is a championship team contender. |
Yeah, that's understandable and why my #1 choice would be depth.
But a LBJ/AD/Jimmy team is pretty fearsome too. Either way, way better than what we had this year. |
On paper, it looks fearsome.
But fill in the rest of the roster, reasonably. |
No doubt. Would be tough but not impossible. |
1. Assumption is we keep 1 of Ingram or Ball (I THINK i prefer Ball).I also ask for Okafor in AD deal.Would be solid cheap bench big
2. Resign Bullock (or KCP  ) to room exception
3. Target guys like McGee/Jeff Green/Alec Burks/Burke/J.Ennis would all be ideal to me at vet min. Some might be able to get more than the vets min
AD/McGee,Noel,Vonleh/Okfafor
LeBron/J.Green
Jimmy/J.Ennis/Shumpert
Bullock/Burks
Ball/Burke/Caruso
Would really have to depend on LeBorn/AD/Jimmy to recruit vet min guys. Should be easy to sell with being in LA, on a contender, and a chance for big minutes
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Who would you fill out the roster with Mike? |
You know what's funny is... Most of the time you're looking up FAs for 2019 and it's all "Top 20 or Top 30."
For the vet min, the Lakers can't even afford those guys.
This isn't 100% accurate.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
Guys *I think* that would actually accept the vet min for various reasons.
Assume Seth Curry signed using the room exception.
Iman Sheperd
Ish Smith
Anthony Tolliver
Troy Daniels
Ekpe Udoh
Amir Johnson
Zaza Pachulia (Ugh)
Jamal Crawford
Jonas Jerebko
Luke Kornet
David Nwaba
Trey Burke
Duncan Robinson
Tim Frazier
Theo Pinson
Wenyen Gabriel
Johnathan Williams |
You underestimate how many good players sign for the vets min. Just going off of this past summer..
McGee/Noel/Vonleh/Okafor
J.Green, Looney
J.Ennis,Nwaba
G.Green,MCW,
Napier, DRose,S.Mack, I.Thomas
Cant also under estimate how important the buy out season will be for us.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Would like to avoid Butler. We need guys that can shoot and I think Jimmy is weak from 3 point land.
That doesn't even take into consideration his age. And he was a Thibs guy (twice) so you know he has more wear and tear than a normal player. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| M2K wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | Count me in on the Butler train
G: Lonzo Ball
G. Jimmy Butler
F: Brandon Ingram
F: LeBron James
C: Brooke Lopez 🙏🏼
Bench:
G: Darius Garland
G: Josh Hart
F: Reggie Bullock
F: Kyle Kuzma
: Mo Wagner
Who beats that team in the west next year? Don’t see anyone. Even if clips land Kawhi. This is the best strategy for both short and long term success |
Defensively... top 5. Offensively top 5. 3pt shooting looking like weakness.
Still... I'm onboard with this roster. |
It will be interesting to see what kind of offers Lopez and Bullock get. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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I assume Philly goes with the full 5 year contract and keeps Butler. They gave up too much for only a 1 year rental.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:23 am Post subject: |
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If we get AD, then Zo and BI are definitely gone, Kuzma possibly as well. That will diminish our youth totally.
We'll be left with:
PG(?) + Butler + Lebron + AD
We're missing a legit starting PG and Butler will be offered the MAX. Can we have another BIG play alongside AD? I'm sure it would work. IMO we should resign JaVale as he's proven he could play at a high level and has a lot left in the Tank. So that puts AD at the 4 spot losing Kuzma to NOLA.
With Zo going to NOLA Elfrid Payton is expendable and maybe we can pick him up as an URFA. He's talented and has some upside to offer and he can be affordable for us.
Getting AD guts our team anyway you slice it. But we could sign Butler if he's willing to come and we could go back to our one year deals with:
Rondo+KCP+Stephenson
We lose our youth, but should be able to compete. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Who would you fill out the roster with Mike? |
You know what's funny is... Most of the time you're looking up FAs for 2019 and it's all "Top 20 or Top 30."
For the vet min, the Lakers can't even afford those guys.
This isn't 100% accurate.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
Guys *I think* that would actually accept the vet min for various reasons.
Assume Seth Curry signed using the room exception.
Iman Sheperd
Ish Smith
Anthony Tolliver
Troy Daniels
Ekpe Udoh
Amir Johnson
Zaza Pachulia (Ugh)
Jamal Crawford
Jonas Jerebko
Luke Kornet
David Nwaba
Trey Burke
Duncan Robinson
Tim Frazier
Theo Pinson
Wenyen Gabriel
Johnathan Williams |
You underestimate how many good players sign for the vets min. Just going off of this past summer..
McGee/Noel/Vonleh/Okafor
J.Green, Looney
J.Ennis,Nwaba
G.Green,MCW,
Napier, DRose,S.Mack, I.Thomas
Cant also under estimate how important the buy out season will be for us. |
More teams have cap space this offseason |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Who would you fill out the roster with Mike? |
You know what's funny is... Most of the time you're looking up FAs for 2019 and it's all "Top 20 or Top 30."
For the vet min, the Lakers can't even afford those guys.
This isn't 100% accurate.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
Guys *I think* that would actually accept the vet min for various reasons.
Assume Seth Curry signed using the room exception.
Iman Sheperd
Ish Smith
Anthony Tolliver
Troy Daniels
Ekpe Udoh
Amir Johnson
Zaza Pachulia (Ugh)
Jamal Crawford
Jonas Jerebko
Luke Kornet
David Nwaba
Trey Burke
Duncan Robinson
Tim Frazier
Theo Pinson
Wenyen Gabriel
Johnathan Williams |
You underestimate how many good players sign for the vets min. Just going off of this past summer..
McGee/Noel/Vonleh/Okafor
J.Green, Looney
J.Ennis,Nwaba
G.Green,MCW,
Napier, DRose,S.Mack, I.Thomas
Cant also under estimate how important the buy out season will be for us. |
More teams have cap space this offseason |
There's always a squeeze on the market causing some good players to take the vets min. I expect that to be the same this summer with it being a relatively deep class. There wont be enough money for all of these 3rd+ tier free agents to get paid.
McGee/Noel/R.Lopez/Muscula/Cousins/Vonleh/Gibson/Davis/Holmes/Zeller/Bender
J.Green/Toliver/Dudley/Faried/Markief Morris/Beasley/Scott
Ariza/G.Green/Thabo/J.Ennis/W.Chandler/Gay/Caroll/J.Holiday/Nwaba/Temple/Luwawu
Burks/Shumpert/Ellington/Matthews/Rivers/KCP/Crawford/Meeks/M.Brooks
Burke/Drose/J.Lin/Rubio/Collison/Thomas/Mudiday/Seth Curry
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dcarter4kobe
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Worse case give me a
Noah/D.Bender
Beasley
G.Temple/Shumpert
A.Burks
T.Burke/Caruso
Off the bench.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | Who would you fill out the roster with Mike? |
You know what's funny is... Most of the time you're looking up FAs for 2019 and it's all "Top 20 or Top 30."
For the vet min, the Lakers can't even afford those guys.
This isn't 100% accurate.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
Guys *I think* that would actually accept the vet min for various reasons.
Assume Seth Curry signed using the room exception.
Iman Sheperd
Ish Smith
Anthony Tolliver
Troy Daniels
Ekpe Udoh
Amir Johnson
Zaza Pachulia (Ugh)
Jamal Crawford
Jonas Jerebko
Luke Kornet
David Nwaba
Trey Burke
Duncan Robinson
Tim Frazier
Theo Pinson
Wenyen Gabriel
Johnathan Williams |
You underestimate how many good players sign for the vets min. Just going off of this past summer..
McGee/Noel/Vonleh/Okafor
J.Green, Looney
J.Ennis,Nwaba
G.Green,MCW,
Napier, DRose,S.Mack, I.Thomas
Cant also under estimate how important the buy out season will be for us. |
More teams have cap space this offseason |
There's always a squeeze on the market causing some good players to take the vets min. I expect that to be the same this summer with it being a relatively deep class. There wont be enough money for all of these 3rd+ tier free agents to get paid.
McGee/Noel/R.Lopez/Muscula/Cousins/Vonleh/Gibson/Davis/Holmes/Zeller/Bender
J.Green/Toliver/Dudley/Faried/Markief Morris/Beasley/Scott
Ariza/G.Green/Thabo/J.Ennis/W.Chandler/Gay/Caroll/J.Holiday/Nwaba/Temple/Luwawu
Burks/Shumpert/Ellington/Matthews/Rivers/KCP/Crawford/Meeks/M.Brooks
Burke/Drose/J.Lin/Rubio/Collison/Thomas/Mudiday/Seth Curry |
Just need to find some guys who have shown that they can hit high volume 3's at a high percentage.
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