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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject:

i'd take Butler over Kyrie or an unfair AD trade all day.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:15 am    Post subject:

Chick's Magic Johnson wrote:
A team with Zo, Jimmy Buckets and AD would be pretty damn solid defensively.


The problem is that we would have Zo or AD.
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I think the interesting dynamic is if there's really a regular season JB and a playoff JB, now. he was not an above average defensive player for Philly in the reg season; and he wasn't allstar level on offense (maybe too crowded). He just didn't look like super athletic Jimmy Butler in the regular season. I've long thought that late 20s players do lose a half step and make it up in skill. did your body react to athletics the same at 29 as it did at 22? now play 8 long NBA seasons on top of that
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I'm fine with Jimmy if we can keep our YUTES and have a DEEP roster.

But they probably swing for AD if they get Jimmy. I can understand and be down for that too.


If we are going to waste those assets I would prefer that we try to do so on Beal.


Beal over AD? Pass. Besides don’t think Lebron can play with two ball dominate perimeter players
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject:

Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


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I think the interesting dynamic is if there's really a regular season JB and a playoff JB, now. he was not an above average defensive player for Philly in the reg season; and he wasn't allstar level on offense (maybe too crowded). He just didn't look like super athletic Jimmy Butler in the regular season. I've long thought that late 20s players do lose a half step and make it up in skill. did your body react to athletics the same at 29 as it did at 22? now play 8 long NBA seasons on top of that


As far as offense goes Philly had too many guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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I'm fine with Jimmy if we can keep our YUTES and have a DEEP roster.

But they probably swing for AD if they get Jimmy. I can understand and be down for that too.


I would really hate to swing for AD. I've got zero confidence in roster construction if AD is acquired.

I totally believe just getting Jimmy Butler + healthy team + smart MLE utilization is a championship team contender.


Yeah, that's understandable and why my #1 choice would be depth.

But a LBJ/AD/Jimmy team is pretty fearsome too. Either way, way better than what we had this year.


On paper, it looks fearsome.

But fill in the rest of the roster, reasonably.


No doubt. Would be tough but not impossible.


I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:23 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


That’s an over pay for Turner
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:25 am    Post subject:

Car54 wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


That’s an over pay for Turner


What about if we also got their 1st round pick?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


That’s an over pay for Turner


What about if we also got their 1st round pick?


Doesn't work. LAL can't sign Butler since Turner (according to Basketball Reference Payroll) already signed an extension starting next year at $18mil. Severely cuts the caproom.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


That’s an over pay for Turner


What about if we also got their 1st round pick?


Doesn't work. LAL can't sign Butler since Turner (according to Basketball Reference Payroll) already signed an extension starting next year at $18mil. Severely cuts the caproom.


We can’t sign Butler and then trade for Turner?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:33 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


That’s an over pay for Turner


What about if we also got their 1st round pick?


Doesn't work. LAL can't sign Butler since Turner (according to Basketball Reference Payroll) already signed an extension starting next year at $18mil. Severely cuts the caproom.


We can’t sign Butler and then trade for Turner?


You need near $18M going out.
But I would love Miles Turner. I like his game.
3 ball and defense.

I think Indy loves Miles just as much
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


That’s an over pay for Turner


What about if we also got their 1st round pick?


Doesn't work. LAL can't sign Butler since Turner (according to Basketball Reference Payroll) already signed an extension starting next year at $18mil. Severely cuts the caproom.


We can’t sign Butler and then trade for Turner?


No.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject:

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News reporters are always like "____ wants to come to LA" and yet no one comes. Its pretty much futile to listen to rumors.


Definitely


It was when Jimbo and Mitch were at the helm.
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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.


I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:47 am    Post subject:

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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.


I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.


NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.
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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.


I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.


NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.


I don't think Pels trio of AD/Jrue/Boogie had as much synergy as AD/LBJ/Butler.

I think the true championship window is in 2020 with that team when we have a full MLE and hopefully another 1st rounder.
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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.


I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.


NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.


I don't think Pels trio of AD/Jrue/Boogie had as much synergy as AD/LBJ/Butler.

I think the true championship window is in 2020 with that team when we have a full MLE and hopefully another 1st rounder.


This is why I want to build around BI. Is there really such a thing as a 1 year championship window on a team that mostly doesn't have playoff experience? I don't believe in it.

The lost factor in here is LeBron's age.
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Zubolo wrote:
Does this team win the title next year, assuming no KD in Golden State?

C - B Lopez (Room Exception), T Gibson (vet min), Muscala
F - Lebron, Kuzma, Wagner
F - Ingram, Hunter
G - Butler, Hart, Bonga
G - Ball, Austin Rivers (vet min), Caruso

Secondary options to
Lopez: D Dedmon (longshot), Kevon Looney, A Baynes, Ed Davis, Mirotic
Gibson: McGee (might want more), Nerlens Noel, Noah Vonleh, Christian Wood (sleeper)
Rivers: Corey Joseph (long shot), S Napier, J Bayless


I honestly love that roster. Of course they could if healthy.

But Brook is getting paid this summer after taking a bargain contract last year. Taj could maybe happen IMO if he wants to come back to LA and win, + he and Jimmy are close. Rivers feels like a total long shot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:52 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.


I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.


NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.


I don't think Pels trio of AD/Jrue/Boogie had as much synergy as AD/LBJ/Butler.

I think the true championship window is in 2020 with that team when we have a full MLE and hopefully another 1st rounder.


This is why I want to build around BI. Is there really such a thing as a 1 year championship window on a team that mostly doesn't have playoff experience? I don't believe in it.

The lost factor in here is LeBron's age.


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Mike@LG wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.


I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.


NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.


I don't think Pels trio of AD/Jrue/Boogie had as much synergy as AD/LBJ/Butler.

I think the true championship window is in 2020 with that team when we have a full MLE and hopefully another 1st rounder.


This is why I want to build around BI. Is there really such a thing as a 1 year championship window on a team that mostly doesn't have playoff experience? I don't believe in it.

The lost factor in here is LeBron's age.


As I said, my #1 preference is sign max FA and keep YUTES for depth. But as you said these YUTES are completely not playoff-tested, and Lonzo/BI have missed significant time (durability concerns) the past two seasons. So it's a risk either way.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.


I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.


NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.


I don't think Pels trio of AD/Jrue/Boogie had as much synergy as AD/LBJ/Butler.

I think the true championship window is in 2020 with that team when we have a full MLE and hopefully another 1st rounder.


This is why I want to build around BI. Is there really such a thing as a 1 year championship window on a team that mostly doesn't have playoff experience? I don't believe in it.

The lost factor in here is LeBron's age.


As I said, my #1 preference is sign max FA and keep YUTES for depth. But as you said these YUTES are completely not playoff-tested, and Lonzo/BI have missed significant time (durability concerns) the past two seasons. So it's a risk either way.


Which is why we should sign the max (or a couple of higher tiered non max players) and stand pat. See how everything works out with new player(s) and new coach. We can always shake thinks up down the road after making a proper evaluation of the team. Depth is always a great thing to have (if we can get away with it).
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Mike@LG wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?


That’s an over pay for Turner


What about if we also got their 1st round pick?


Doesn't work. LAL can't sign Butler since Turner (according to Basketball Reference Payroll) already signed an extension starting next year at $18mil. Severely cuts the caproom.


We can’t sign Butler and then trade for Turner?


No.


Yes we can. Sign Butler with cap room (4th pick caphold = 7.2M)
Sign the 4th pick 120% over baseline =8.4M
Ingram + 4th pick + filler eg. Bonga is within the band that can accept an 18M salary back
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