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Mike@LG
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:02 am Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.

I'm of the mindset that it's more difficult to obtain higher caliber players than a supporting cast.

What really hurt the team's depth is not being able to have a full MLE (as opposed to having a room exception). With a full MLE, could get much better supporting players.

NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.

I don't think Pels trio of AD/Jrue/Boogie had as much synergy as AD/LBJ/Butler.

I think the true championship window is in 2020 with that team when we have a full MLE and hopefully another 1st rounder.

This is why I want to build around BI. Is there really such a thing as a 1 year championship window on a team that mostly doesn't have playoff experience? I don't believe in it.

The lost factor in here is LeBron's age.

2008 Celtics. 2011 Miami Heat

It really helps when your best players are basically at their prime.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:04 am Post subject:

So we go from Kawahi all the way down to Jimmy Butler? I guess I'm OK with it as long as they can make a trade for AD. If it's just Lebron and Jimmy Butler that would be a huge letdown. At least we know KCP is out if we sign him.

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:05 am Post subject:

twisted wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Mini Mamba wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Mini Mamba wrote:

Car54 wrote:

Mini Mamba wrote:

Sign Butler, trade #4(Garland) and BI for Myles Turner, sign Millsap for room exception, And Carter for vet min.

Zo/Caruso
Butler/Hart
LeBron/Carter
Millsap/Kuz
Turner/Wagner

How good would this team be next year barring injuries?

That’s an over pay for Turner

What about if we also got their 1st round pick?

Doesn't work. LAL can't sign Butler since Turner (according to Basketball Reference Payroll) already signed an extension starting next year at $18mil. Severely cuts the caproom.

We can’t sign Butler and then trade for Turner?

No.

Yes we can. Sign Butler with cap room (4th pick caphold = 7.2M)
Sign the 4th pick 120% over baseline =8.4M
Ingram + 4th pick + filler eg. Bonga is within the band that can accept an 18M salary back

The details of *when* that pick is included really matters.

But I still doubt INdiana does it. They love Myles.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:09 am Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

twisted wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Mini Mamba wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

Mini Mamba wrote:

Car54 wrote:

Mini Mamba wrote:

That’s an over pay for Turner

What about if we also got their 1st round pick?

Doesn't work. LAL can't sign Butler since Turner (according to Basketball Reference Payroll) already signed an extension starting next year at $18mil. Severely cuts the caproom.

We can’t sign Butler and then trade for Turner?

No.

Yes we can. Sign Butler with cap room (4th pick caphold = 7.2M)
Sign the 4th pick 120% over baseline =8.4M
Ingram + 4th pick + filler eg. Bonga is within the band that can accept an 18M salary back

The details of *when* that pick is included really matters.

But I still doubt INdiana does it. They love Myles.

Not that i am advocating this trade. I am just answering the question if we can do it. Technically we can. Although I am not sure our FO can figure stuff like this out.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:09 am Post subject:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:13 am Post subject:

kikanga wrote:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him.

If Tobias Harris could accept $5mil less than full max, I'd pick him up and add depth with the remaining $5mil.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:13 am Post subject:

kikanga wrote:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him.

Hmm, my 76ers friends are not confident. Seems like there's a bit of "too many chefs in the kitchen" feel there.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:17 am Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:

kikanga wrote:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him.

Hmm, my 76ers friends are not confident. Seems like there's a bit of "too many chefs in the kitchen" feel there.

When Jimmy comes to the Lakers will there be Will Smith/Fresh Prince memes?

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:18 am Post subject:

epak wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

kikanga wrote:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him.

Hmm, my 76ers friends are not confident. Seems like there's a bit of "too many chefs in the kitchen" feel there.

When Jimmy comes to the Lakers will there be Will Smith/Fresh Prince memes?

The irony would be playing on a heavily chef-staffed LBJ/AD team too.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:18 am Post subject:

Welcome to LA, Jimmy!

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:21 am Post subject:

I would love Jimmy Butler on the Lakers, I just wouldn’t max him out. _________________ DEAR BASKETBALL

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:21 am Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

The Juggernaut wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Mike@LG wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

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I disagree, considering this FO. Hence my reservation with the AD trade.

Missing on last year's draft REALLY hurt team depth.

NYk couldn't do it when they traded for Carmelo Anthony.

Pelicans couldn't do it around AD/Jrue. They added Cousins and it didn't work.

2008 Celtics. 2011 Miami Heat

It really helps when your best players are basically at their prime.

AD would be at peak level
Butler still prime
Bron is post prime but still better than anyone on the 08 Celtics imo

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:23 am Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:

kikanga wrote:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him.

If Tobias Harris could accept $5mil less than full max, I'd pick him up and add depth with the remaining $5mil.

As far as non-all star free agents go. T. Harris and Mike Scott are near the top of my list. Both can spread the floor and do some of the things Love did alongside LBJ. Neither are as good of rebounders as Love. But both are probably better defenders.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:23 am Post subject:

IMO Butler is a fall back option in case Irving or Kawhi don’t come, so if we can’t get Kyrie or Kawhi then it is important that Butler already has a commitment to sign with the Lakers.

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:25 am Post subject:

danzag wrote:

Welcome to LA, Jimmy!

Can you feel it???

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:26 am Post subject:

Lebron-Wagner Ingram-Butler Butler-Hart Ball-Stephenson-Bonga Trade Kuzma and #4 for an impact big.

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:30 am Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:

IMO Butler is a fall back option in case Irving or Kawhi don’t come, so if we can’t get Kyrie or Kawhi then it is important that Butler already has a commitment to sign with the Lakers.

Seems like Kawhi is staying in Toronto and for good reason. Siakim is a stud, OG is is good young piece, they've got good role players and Marc, Danny, and Kyle Lowry to just enough to support Kawhi and Paskal. If they can make a couple good bargain signings, they're set for the next 3 years barring health problems.

Kyrie or Butler is totally debatable and while in a vacuum I'd take Kyrie, he does have injury concerns and it's an awkward fit. Butler is a little more seamless a fit if LeBron is willing to play PF.

Dedmon | Taj (?)
Lebron | Kuzma
Ingram | Ariza (?)
Butler | Hart
Lonzo | Garland

That team could win it all if the kids grow and everyone is healthy come playoffs.

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:31 am Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:

kikanga wrote:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him.

Hmm, my 76ers friends are not confident. Seems like there's a bit of "too many chefs in the kitchen" feel there.

I haven't heard any discontent from PHI players about Butler. JJ Reddick on his podcast sounded like he meshed well with the team there. Butler and Simmons had their little headband defense thing. Embiid talked about how much Jimmy supported him and encouraged him even when he was struggling. And Brett Brown's biggest criticism of him was that he took too much of a back seat at times this year just trying to fit in and not step on anybody's toes.
And Philly kinda needs him until Simmons develops a jumpshot.

As a Laker fan I would take him in a heartbeat. I prefer him to Kyrie and Klay. That's how much I like him. But I Elton Brand locks him up with the max. He can make more there than here. And the whole reason why things blew up in Minny was because Jimmy wanted his $.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:31 am Post subject:

I hope the Lakers do better than Butler. He's not a game changer, in my opinion. Seriously overrated on this forum.

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:33 am Post subject:

anth2000 wrote:

I hope the Lakers do better than Butler. He's not a game changer, in my opinion. Seriously overrated on this forum.

Nah, if you actually watched Philly's playoff games this year you would know he's a huge game changer on both ends. He not only passes the eye test as a game changer but the analytics also support Bulter as a top 12 player in the league

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:33 am Post subject:

kikanga wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

kikanga wrote:

I've wanted him for years. But I think Philly offers him the max and he stays. He meshes too well there. Fans love him and teammates respect him.

Hmm, my 76ers friends are not confident. Seems like there's a bit of "too many chefs in the kitchen" feel there.

I haven't heard any discontent from PHI players about Butler. JJ Reddick on his podcast sounded like he meshed well with the team there. Butler and Simmons had their little headband defense thing. Embiid talked about how much Jimmy supported him and encouraged him even when he was struggling. And Brett Brown's biggest criticism of him was that he took too much of a back seat at times this year just trying to fit in and not step on anybody's toes.

I would take him in a heartbeat. I prefer him to Kyrie and Klay. That's how much I like him. But I Elton Brand locks him up with the max. He can make more there than here. And the whole reason why things blew up in Minny was because Jimmy wanted his $.

My 76ers friends think there is a clear Simmons v. Embiid thing going on and Jimmy is caught in the middle of it. Not sure how eager the 76ers are to give him a 5 year max deal, and that 5th year is going to be a bear since they would possibly max Simmons and Harris also (on top of Embiid who would get a supermax once he's eligible).
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:34 am Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:

IMO Butler is a fall back option in case Irving or Kawhi don’t come, so if we can’t get Kyrie or Kawhi then it is important that Butler already has a commitment to sign with the Lakers.

Mitch got torched when he was here for playing by the rules. For not knowing ANYTHING about free agents desired locations before free agency opened.
If Rob doesn't know who wants to come here or not before free agency starts. And he goes to Kyrie or Butler after already striking out somewhere else. Those two are so prideful. It's gonna make signing them that much more difficult. Both guys will want to feel like they were Plan A for wherever they go.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:41 am Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:

This was literally a quote from an Athletic article that came out a day ago.

Quote:

“We have a lot to work on, me and him,” Embiid said. “Like I said, I’m excited about all the work I’m going to put in this summer. He should be, too, because he has a lot of potential and he can do so much more, and I’m going to be right there and support him through anything, through everything. That’s my brother.”

https://theathletic.com/1009006/2019/06/04/time-to-commit-how-ben-simmons-potential-extension-affects-the-sixers-moving-forward/

But hypothetically, if there is a Simmons v. Embiid thing. I think that's another reason to keep Butler. Since he pairs well with either player.
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:41 am Post subject:

kikanga wrote:

Inspector Gadget wrote:

IMO Butler is a fall back option in case Irving or Kawhi don’t come, so if we can’t get Kyrie or Kawhi then it is important that Butler already has a commitment to sign with the Lakers.

So you need someone to be a snake and tell both guys simultaneously that they are the #1 target?

Rob: did someone ask for a snake?

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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:44 am Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:

Car54 wrote:

Mini Mamba wrote:

That’s an over pay for Turner

What about if we also got their 1st round pick?

I’ll still pass I like Turner but not for Ingram. You’d be basically trading a potential allstar for a skill set we can find on the free agency market on minimum deals
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