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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject:

^Yeah you're making more assumptions, about McGee.... Bullock...

And McGee absolutely was a Top 5 DPOY candidate. How else do you explain 4+ blocks per game, 18 shot contests per game, with 11rpg through the first several months of the season?

Then he got sick.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject:

SocalDevin wrote:
Who would you fill out the roster with Mike?


You know what's funny is... Most of the time you're looking up FAs for 2019 and it's all "Top 20 or Top 30."

For the vet min, the Lakers can't even afford those guys.

This isn't 100% accurate.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Guys *I think* that would actually accept the vet min for various reasons.

Assume Seth Curry signed using the room exception.


Iman Sheperd

Ish Smith

Anthony Tolliver

Troy Daniels

Ekpe Udoh

Amir Johnson

Zaza Pachulia (Ugh)

Jamal Crawford

Jonas Jerebko

Luke Kornet

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Trey Burke

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Theo Pinson

Wenyen Gabriel

Johnathan Williams
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:29 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
^Yeah you're making more assumptions, about McGee.... Bullock...

And McGee absolutely was a Top 5 DPOY candidate. How else do you explain 4+ blocks per game, 18 shot contests per game, with 11rpg through the first several months of the season?

Then he got sick.


You're assuming Bullock will take slightly more money if offered. I assume he will bet on himself to cash in next year after a deep playoff run. McGee was maybe top 5 for like the first 15 games of the season. Don't overrate him for this discussion. He will not get anything above $5 mil per.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:31 am    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
^Yeah you're making more assumptions, about McGee.... Bullock...

And McGee absolutely was a Top 5 DPOY candidate. How else do you explain 4+ blocks per game, 18 shot contests per game, with 11rpg through the first several months of the season?

Then he got sick.


You're assuming Bullock will take slightly more money if offered. I assume he will bet on himself to cash in next year after a deep playoff run. McGee was maybe top 5 for like the first 15 games of the season. Don't overrate him for this discussion. He will not get anything above $5 mil per.


$5mil per that the Lakers won't have.

Bullock is nearly in his prime. Why in the world would he take less money?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:33 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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^Yeah you're making more assumptions, about McGee.... Bullock...

And McGee absolutely was a Top 5 DPOY candidate. How else do you explain 4+ blocks per game, 18 shot contests per game, with 11rpg through the first several months of the season?

Then he got sick.


You're assuming Bullock will take slightly more money if offered. I assume he will bet on himself to cash in next year after a deep playoff run. McGee was maybe top 5 for like the first 15 games of the season. Don't overrate him for this discussion. He will not get anything above $5 mil per.


$5mil per that the Lakers won't have.

Bullock is nearly in his prime. Why in the world would he take less money?


McGee will be in play for the vet min for us

I just told you, he's young enough to bet on himself. Players get bigger offers after a deep playoff run
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject:

Bullock and Jav can get way more than the minimum.

Jav may just do it to do it, maybe get Early Bird rights on him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:36 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Bullock and Jav can get way more than the minimum.

Jav may just do it to do it, maybe get Early Bird rights on him.


Who is paying McGee way more than vet min?? He really didn't look good the last half of the season
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The Juggernaut wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Bullock and Jav can get way more than the minimum.

Jav may just do it to do it, maybe get Early Bird rights on him.


Who is paying McGee way more than vet min?? He really didn't look good the last half of the season


He came out of the gates really awesome. Then he got pneumonia and his season cratered. There will be teams willing to pay him 3-4m/year easily.

However, he may just enjoy living in LA, who knows.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Bullock and Jav can get way more than the minimum.

Jav may just do it to do it, maybe get Early Bird rights on him.


Who is paying McGee way more than vet min?? He really didn't look good the last half of the season


Golden State would.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:49 am    Post subject:

Butler is 30 by training camp. Numbers on downwards trajectory. Not a great 3 pt shooter. I'm not feeling it, AD/Bron/Butler feels similar to Joel/Simmons/Butler, but Bron shoots way more than Simmons. Butler will have career lows, and trade value further diminishing should we want to move him.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:50 am    Post subject:

Jimmy Butler has used the lakers previously for leverage and got max from Chicago.

I dont trust anything related to Jimmy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:50 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
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IMO Butler is a fall back option in case Irving or Kawhi don’t come, so if we can’t get Kyrie or Kawhi then it is important that Butler already has a commitment to sign with the Lakers.


Mitch got torched when he was here for playing by the rules. For not knowing ANYTHING about free agents desired locations before free agency opened.
If Rob doesn't know who wants to come here or not before free agency starts. And he goes to Kyrie or Butler after already striking out somewhere else. Those two are so prideful. It's gonna make signing them that much more difficult. Both guys will want to feel like they were Plan A for wherever they go.


I think THIS is what McGee was referring to about the FA difficulties.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
SocalDevin wrote:
Who would you fill out the roster with Mike?


You know what's funny is... Most of the time you're looking up FAs for 2019 and it's all "Top 20 or Top 30."

For the vet min, the Lakers can't even afford those guys.

This isn't 100% accurate.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Guys *I think* that would actually accept the vet min for various reasons.

Assume Seth Curry signed using the room exception.


Iman Sheperd

Ish Smith

Anthony Tolliver

Troy Daniels

Ekpe Udoh

Amir Johnson

Zaza Pachulia (Ugh)

Jamal Crawford

Jonas Jerebko

Luke Kornet

David Nwaba

Trey Burke

Duncan Robinson

Tim Frazier

Theo Pinson

Wenyen Gabriel

Johnathan Williams


Not good.. I'm hoping we can get lucky.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject:

Stumpy25 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
xxsicrokerxx wrote:
News reporters are always like "____ wants to come to LA" and yet no one comes. Its pretty much futile to listen to rumors.


Definitely


It was when Jimbo and Mitch were at the helm.


West, Jim, Mitch, Magic. We will see with Pelinka. The one FA we got, Lebron, wasn’t one who lobbied to come here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
Jimmy Butler has used the lakers previously for leverage and got max from Chicago.

I dont trust anything related to Jimmy


He was a RFA then.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:54 am    Post subject:

Bullock already said he wanted to go back to Detroit.

Maybe we could get him if we overpaid... but doubtful if we gave him a crummy offer.

It's telling that most of the guys who want the 3 star plan... fill their rosters with players that would be extremely optimistic to sign.

If we get AD/LBJ/Butler... we need to resign ourselves to the reality that Caruso would need to blossom immediately... Mo and Bonga would need to both progress... and we'd have to get very lucky with a fluke free agent signing that panned out... like DRose getting healthy again.

Filling the roster with names we would be lucky to sign is only fooling yourself.

Are three good cheap signings with 40% 3 pt shooters possible?

I suppose... but I'm guessing the odds are about the same as us signing Kawhi at this point.

If you want the three superstar plan... at least construct a realistic roster and hope for the best.

AD/LBJ/Butler would be very good next year. All of them would be extremely motivated and playing with a chip on their shoulders.

The questions would be more can they stay healthy on short rotations?... is it sustainable due to age? Can LBJ and Jimmy the two alphas coexist if anything goes wrong?

I've been a firm young core supporter... but I can't deny that team could compete.

For me though it's all about sustainability and I think one of those factors would come back and haunt us.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject:

The Lakers are not in a position to depend on a player signing.
The best they can do is make offers and hope for an acceptance.

Would probably be smart to concentrate on players on there is a realistic
chance of signing. Butler and Irving are possible.
Kemba and Nikola should also be given serious consideration.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject:

Runway8 wrote:
Butler is 30 by training camp. Numbers on downwards trajectory. Not a great 3 pt shooter. I'm not feeling it, AD/Bron/Butler feels similar to Joel/Simmons/Butler, but Bron shoots way more than Simmons. Butler will have career lows, and trade value further diminishing should we want to move him.


The age is a fair concern. Just want to say he doesn't have the typical mileage of a 30 year old who makes the playoffs year after year after year. Because he didn't get into the league till age 22. And even his rookie year. He played 8 minutes and 42 games.
His window aligns with Lebron's very well. With Jimmy and Bron on the roster. Playoffs are a lock. Plus his style fits like a glove with what Vogel and Hollins like to do defensively.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Bullock and Jav can get way more than the minimum.

Jav may just do it to do it, maybe get Early Bird rights on him.


Who is paying McGee way more than vet min?? He really didn't look good the last half of the season


Golden State would.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject:

Jesusdelonla wrote:
Jimmy Butler has used the lakers previously for leverage and got max from Chicago.

I dont trust anything related to Jimmy


To be fair, a lot of players use bad teams for leverage, right now we are a up and coming team and maybe he likes the idea of playing for LeBron and potentially AD.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:06 pm    Post subject:

LKA wrote:
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I actually dont mind Jimmy.
He's growing on me.


Justin Holiday
Jimmy Butler
Lebron James
Anthony Davis
Javale McGee


I will live with that.


No hell no


Welp, get used to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
LKA wrote:
epak wrote:
I actually dont mind Jimmy.
He's growing on me.


Justin Holiday
Jimmy Butler
Lebron James
Anthony Davis
Javale McGee


I will live with that.


No hell no


Welp, get used to it.


That unit will see a zone defense every minute they are on the floor.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:11 pm    Post subject:

You guys have to stop with this mileage analogy.

Do you think someone like Kobe who was a gym rat and worked out hours in his free time and off season is going to suddenly fall apart because of more mileage? His injury was a fluke... nothing more.

Do you think the lazy guy who plays video games all summer is improving his mileage?

Players need to listen to their body... stop playing when they have an injury that might get aggravated... but otherwise it's a crap shoot when their body's going to give out... unless they have some chronic preexisting degenerative condition.

Soccer players run double the amount of basketball players... if the mileage theory was correct they would all be done at 30 years old.

It's true they retire earlier than basketball players but that's mostly because their play relies on pace more than size and they can't fall back on size when they get older.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
^Yeah you're making more assumptions, about McGee.... Bullock...

And McGee absolutely was a Top 5 DPOY candidate. How else do you explain 4+ blocks per game, 18 shot contests per game, with 11rpg through the first several months of the season?

Then he got sick.


I can explain the blocks. He'd get beaten on his contain/drop coverage and then get a make-up block. The majority of the time he'd just get beat with no block.
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DD20045 wrote:
epak wrote:
LKA wrote:
epak wrote:
I actually dont mind Jimmy.
He's growing on me.


Justin Holiday
Jimmy Butler
Lebron James
Anthony Davis
Javale McGee


I will live with that.


No hell no


Welp, get used to it.


That unit will see a zone defense every minute they are on the floor.



Strange. I don't recall seeing a zone defense every minute last year with a lineup of:

Lonzo
BI
Lebron
Kuzma
McGee

Which lineup do you think has better outside shooting? Size, arent zone defenses weak?
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